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[MOTpoetryION]

OK whats has been nagging at me is . Are they really selling us DLC .Or are  they like .,
selling us 1\\2 or 3\\4  of the game and then selling the rest as DLC. Just to milk more
money out of us.
 
Personally i like to get a hard copy (as in CD) for my money . I don't like
this whole DLC  way of doing it . And i fear thats where the industry is headed  . Like they 
are trying  to eliminate the CD all together. i just get that feeling that ,that is where its leading to.

I know when DLC comes out months later its probably real NEW DLC but when they have  DLC
available the day of release. makes me think of my first comment.   What do you guys think on
these issues. If you have even thought about it , I'm just interested.   I just don't trust EA and
 wouldn't put it past them to do it .

thanks for sharing

[Sloth Of Doom]

Also, was Bioware behind 9/11? Was Georg Zoeller the shooter on the grassy knoll? Did David Gaider write the dead sea scrolls?

[AtreiyaN7]

I think conspiracy theories about this sort of thing are a bit silly, but eh.

[DoctorPringles]

The game felt complete to me. The DLC's felt like add-ons to add flavor.



If you feel you got an incomplete game, don't purchase from Bioware anymore. Otherwise, suck it up.

[Eurypterid]

This has been explained many times: Shale was part of the game to begin with, but was cut due to various issues before the original release date. The delay in release to coincide with the console release meant that they could work on Shale to put it back in. Since it was part of the original game to begin with, that's why it's included free with each new copy of the game.

Warden's Keep was developed during the delay by a separate DLC team. Due to lockdown constraints for disc content, neither it nor Shale could be included on the disc. Warden's Keep was intended to be the first of the planned DLC for sale, so that's why there's a charge for it.

But the delay was the reason both were available on day 1.

Nothing was removed from the game to be offered later in order to 'milk' the customer.

As for wanting things on a disc, I too prefer that, but it seems the industry is moving towards a digital distribution model and I wouldn't be surprised if in the not-too-distant future that's the only way many games will be available for purchase.

(And yes, the scrolls were penned by Gaider).

Modifié par Eurypterid, 17 janvier 2010 - 06:25 .

[mrmike_1949]

as long as the digital distribution in NOT thru Micro$oft

[I Valente I]

Aside from the fact that your conspiracy theory is typical and extremely unlikely, I WILL say that I dislike DLC in general, or at least the way it's developing on consoles. These days, companies are expected to release steady DLC and fans demmand it to be quality, when in reality, the majority of DLC out there is garbage. It's ruining the reputation of many companies, Bioware included, who are fantastic at making complete games, but are struggling to assimilate to the ridiculous standards that dillusional fans have come up with.



I miss the good old, game + expansion gig. No extra DLC teams, no whining about $4 DLC and no whiny fans demmanding outrageous compensations for their $4, with which I couldn't buy a decent meal.

[Xenixa]

I Valente I wrote...
I miss the good old, game + expansion gig. No extra DLC teams, no whining about $4 DLC and no whiny fans demmanding outrageous compensations for their $4, with which I couldn't buy a decent meal.

Can't even see a descent Movie that runs 90 mins for less than $10 these days in most Metropoltain areas. 4 bux is pretty good entertainment value when you look at it verses a non-interactive form of entertainment such as the affore mentioned Movie ticket.

[submarinex1]

if a game is completed on the disc would you rather they did nothing new for the game and waited till the next release ?

[addiction21]

You do not need to think about it but instead you should do a little research about it first. Then you would not need to make one more of these "OMG BW is the DEVILS" thread.



Also the "good ole days" are called "the good ole days" for a reason. They are gone

[Nightv1d]

I Valente I wrote...


I miss the good old, game + expansion gig. No extra DLC teams, no whining about $4 DLC and no whiny fans demmanding outrageous compensations for their $4, with which I couldn't buy a decent meal.

[Peeker2009]

Was Shale a free download? I couldn't see it included in my copy. I had 5 free items to download but no Shale. No biggie to me, just wondered if I missed something.

btw, I think the OP refrains from accusing Bioware of such shenanigans (though doesn't spare EA) and expresses concern about where the industry is heading; That is, If DLC becomes increasing popular in the next few years, can we be sure that company execs won't be doing exactly this kind of thing in say 5 years time. Will it be too late to turn back by then? Will I have to take up knitting instead? lol

I'm not going bring up the old "is it worth it? argument, as that has been done to death, and in the end every consumer must make their own decision. However, it is worth acknowledging that thousands of small purchasing decisions can have larger implications for everyone in the long run. Being mistrustful of the objectives of modern business managers is, imo, sensible, and I say this with the company I just left in mind. Game companies, as has been pointed out many times, are no different in that regard to any other kind.

Perhaps there's a parralel in music technolgy (* creaking sound of a long bow being drawn*). Personally I prefer quality over quantity when it comes to music reproduction. I started with records, had a large collection, most of which was getting a bit scratched. When CDs came along I went along with the flow, even though it pretty much made my collection obsolete. The quality was great when compared to my scratched records.

Old-timers (not me back then) who poo-pooed the new technology, saying they weren't as warm as the records, were scoffed at and ridiculed. CDs came out as 16 bit recordings, fine for 1980s technology, and they are still 16 bit today. This seems ridiculous. Why hasn't this been increased to 24 bit at least? (there is an audible difference in quality for those who care enough to compare). Well, the market has changed yet again. Quantity and convenience is what drives today's market, and therefore mp3 is the flavour of the month - thousands of songs at your fingertips. I have no issue with mp3 (don't use it often myself), but the fact that it has inferior sound reproduction to even 16 bit CDs has largely been ignored, forgotten or deemed irrelevent to today's generation, for whom music seems more of a soundtrack to life rather than something to be savoured (I generalise of course).

So what are the chances of a company now investing millions of dollars to establish a new technology that offers superior sound quality? Buckley's I'd say. So, the masses have spoken and said "cost and convenience over quality" and I will probably never get the chance to hear music the way I and many others (a minority perhaps) would really like to. Let's face it, if they have seen no financial incentive to improve the quality in 30 odd years, there's no point holding my breath any longer. And there's really no point in making a song and dance about it either I guess. So hard to do all 3 at once anyway lol.

*Twang* The arrow has been loosed. "Did anyone see where it landed?" ../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png

*Edited for formatting and a smiley

Modifié par Peeker2009, 17 janvier 2010 - 08:02 .

[Maria Caliban]

Shale is a free download if you have a new copy of the game. Did you get anything called 'The Stone Prisioner?' It should be on the back of the card you got inside the game box.

[Peeker2009]

I didnt recieve the stone prisoner, just the 5 items on the back of that card, and I had to get technical support to fix those as well. Not complaing, they were really nice about it. Thanks for the reply.

[Spitz6860]

but can you blame him for suspecting? just look at all those games with day 1 DLCs, *sign*

[purplesunset]

Peeker2009

I smiled knowingly as I read through your post. Your post reminds me of the kind of posts that I used to make (never again).

Unfortunately, baring yourself with a heartfelt post on an internet forum only warrants being completely ignored at best, or being ridiculed at worst.

Companies will only listen to the mp3 buyers because they are more plentiful and consequently talk louder with their money. Similarly, full blown expansions will slowly go the way of the LP. 

[OH-UP-THIS!]

mrmike_1949 wrote...

as long as the digital distribution in NOT thru Micro$oft

this has my vote ^

You know there is a way around this supposed trend of DLC, and that is to not buy into it, until it is offered for purchase in an expanded multi-piece format(several mini-DLC's in one)

Modifié par ohupthis, 17 janvier 2010 - 08:37 .

[Acid Wire]

MOTpoetryION wrote...

OK whats has been nagging at me is . Are they really selling us DLC .Or are  they like .,
selling us 1\\\\2 or 3\\\\4  of the game and then selling the rest as DLC. Just to milk more
money out of us.
 
Personally i like to get a hard copy (as in CD) for my money . I don't like
this whole DLC  way of doing it . And i fear thats where the industry is headed  . Like they 
are trying  to eliminate the CD all together. i just get that feeling that ,that is where its leading to.

I know when DLC comes out months later its probably real NEW DLC but when they have  DLC
available the day of release. makes me think of my first comment.   What do you guys think on
these issues. If you have even thought about it , I'm just interested.   I just don't trust EA and
 wouldn't put it past them to do it .

thanks for sharing

Wow, I've almost written the exact same damn thing on the other thread, we totally agree on this.
I like video games the good old fashionned way: I pay first, and I get it all, and maybe I download patches and fixes, tops.

[purplesunset]

Acid Wire wrote...

MOTpoetryION wrote...

OK whats has been nagging at me is . Are they really selling us DLC .Or are  they like .,
selling us 1\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\2 or 3\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\4  of the game and then selling the rest as DLC. Just to milk more
money out of us.
 
Personally i like to get a hard copy (as in CD) for my money . I don't like
this whole DLC  way of doing it . And i fear thats where the industry is headed  . Like they 
are trying  to eliminate the CD all together. i just get that feeling that ,that is where its leading to.

I know when DLC comes out months later its probably real NEW DLC but when they have  DLC
available the day of release. makes me think of my first comment.   What do you guys think on
these issues. If you have even thought about it , I'm just interested.   I just don't trust EA and
 wouldn't put it past them to do it .

thanks for sharing

Wow, I've almost written the exact same damn thing on the other thread, we totally agree on this.
I like video games the good old fashionned way: I pay first, and I get it all, and maybe I download patches and fixes, tops.

I'm not too fond of DLC either, but please be fair to Bioware, guys. Dragon Age, as it is on the disk, has a tremendous amount of content. It is a full game.

I completely understand the fear about where the gaming business as a whole might be headed (I've posted about it in the past), but I sincerely don't think it applies in this specific case with Bioware. Dragon Age has a ton of content. Even the most ardent critic must admit this.

Modifié par purplesunset, 17 janvier 2010 - 08:44 .

[Bfler]

The main reason behind the first free included DLC (Shale) is to dam the second hand sales, for example with ebay. Every other statement is, in my opinion, a lie.

Modifié par Bfler, 17 janvier 2010 - 08:53 .

[Barrador]

I find the way they call the Shale stone prisoner dlc 'free' quite amusing. It's not an actual addition if it was completely created with the intention for it to be there in the first place...if they had charged for it instead of 'giving' it to us that would be pretty crazy. The free items makes me laugh too...setting a few stats really requires much development costs?



It doesn't help that it keeps telling me I need to purchase/unlock it all these 'free items' every single time I start up and look at dlc from the menu. If I restart it finds it and lets me use it again, but now I just turn the online connect thing off.



Then of course there is offering to download content whilst in game....lucky it's a good game and now ignore these $ reminders.

[kalniel]

MOTpoetryION wrote...

OK whats has been nagging at me is . Are they really selling us DLC .Or are  they like .,
selling us 1\\\\2 or 3\\\\4  of the game and then selling the rest as DLC. Just to milk more
money out of us.

Of course - 100+hours out of the box is just half a game compared to other titles out there I suppose..

[Rheia]

MOTpoetryION , I realize you probably don't harbour any ill will towards Bioware by posting this, but I honestly feel a little offended on behalf of bioware devs each time a thread in the like of "dls = cheating us of our hard earned dollar!!" comes up. This company has been putting out exceptional quality games with incredible story depth that far, far surpasses the price tug on the box (in my humble opinion). It just feels like they are dealt a slap to the face each time someone pops in to accuse them of devious intentions towards their costumers.



Is dls model perfect? That's another question, and there are ways to critique it constructively in terms of integration, story arc issues and distribution. I'd just urge people to use a bit more thoughtfulness and tact in the discussions.



For whatever my opinion is worth, anyway

[Zenon]

Since you can still burn a CD with your downloaded contents, I see no problem here.

DLC in fact could result in lower prices for games, because the margin of the retailers doesn't need to be paid by the customer. Most customers have a high Bandwidth internet connection and even a flat-rate. So size of downloads doesn't matter much as well anymore.

I only hope, that there will be a patch to play the full game whenever the authentication servers are taken off-line.

[MOTpoetryION]

sloth of doom are you stalking me or something ?



You seem to be in every post i make , and usually one of the first ones to post also . And its always a smart ass comment that comes out of your mouth as well . And as usually your adding stupid comments that i never say or ASSUME things. FYI when you assume , you just make an

(ASS) out of (U) and (ME) , but mostly just you . IM JUST ASKING A QUESTION .YOU REALLY NEED A LIFE THATS JUST IMO : ) Either that or track down the person that kicked your puppy when you were little. Sorry about that but the Sloth of Doom made me say that