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[sandalisthemaker]

I Like Cats And wrote...

Right just like all modern feminists, stop talking once you know you have no ground to stand on. Sorry honey.

Oh, snap.
You are an impressive troll. I'll give you that.

[myrrhcat]

I Like Cats And wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

...Okay, I can't deal with your misogynistic stupidity, so I'm just going to ignore you from now on.

Right just like all modern feminists, stop talking once you know you have no ground to stand on. Sorry honey.

Translation: "Neener neener, I annoyed you so much that you got tired of my bull****, so that means I win."

[I Like Cats And]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

I Like Cats And wrote...

Right just like all modern feminists, stop talking once you know you have no ground to stand on. Sorry honey.

Oh, snap.
You are an impressive troll. I'll give you that.

NOt even trolling, just hype from the stupidity. I know for a fact lots of people come here and take this dumb special treatment "feminism" stance and I pray that these people are just trolling, there seriously cant be people who think this way.

[Herr Uhl]

Zeldrik1389 wrote...

I don't know what kind of gym was that, but it sounds like it was in imaginary land and the whole thing is just a fantasy. If you break a guy's nose (is he one of the trainers or just some guy happen to go to that gym?) you won't get away with it. Either things got ugly then police will come, and that person will charge you, which will end up with either paying him a large sum of money, or some jail time. Or some others will take care of you personally, which won't be pretty either. It's funny how people talking about physically asault others without even think about the consequences.  

You'd get banned from the gym for getting blood all over their floor at least, if machismo hinders him from pressing charges.

[K_Tabris]

Ugh, use spell check.

[KiwiQuiche]

myrrhcat wrote...

I Like Cats And wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

...Okay, I can't deal with your misogynistic stupidity, so I'm just going to ignore you from now on.

Right just like all modern feminists, stop talking once you know you have no ground to stand on. Sorry honey.

Translation: "Neener neener, I annoyed you so much that you got tired of my bull****, so that means I win."

Ahaha, pretty much. And as Sandal said, he's just a troll and trying to act decent with them results in them trying to act like they got the high ground due to people getting fed up with their crap.

[rapscallioness]

honestly, i think bw is gonna go w/sumthing general for the cover...which is cool by me. especially because the game does feature character creation.

And perhaps in the trailers--if there are trailers--we might get to see a bit of a fem PC. prolly a rogue since they've already covered warrior and mage in the last ones.

[Sylvianus]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I wasn't specifically talking about you. I've just read this thread and i've  seen a few ridiculous complaints. Like ( female femshep was on the back of the mass effect cover, looool ) I didn't read your other comments by the way, I read this one, where you are talking about " equality in the media ", and seemed to contradict the poster you quoted. The equality is in the game, the marketting is absolutely another matter. If they want to put a female protagonist on the cover, that is fine for example. And male gamers have nothing to say so long they can play their gender like a true rpg. ( Bioware could do that for DA:I for example, why not ) So yes, given the tone in this thread, people overreacting, it appears insignificant.

This isn't because I want to see a black hero ( or something else ) on the cover that Bioware can't do a white dude on the cover, or is forced to do another black hero on the back of the cover because of " equality ". This is basically what you are saying.  That's just nonsense to me. If this is a rpg like you said, with choices for everyone, then you are free to tell your story, to think the way you want, with the exactly same content, while the marketting is trying to sell its game as it feels it's best, and you shouldn' t be bothered by it if it does't affect your game. 

I wasn't at all bothered by default Hawk, not even with all the marketting, except the fact that the character creator happened only after the introduction. But that's it. If bioware wants a defaut protagonist, that's their right, it doesn't affect anyone.

Marketting means choices to make and limitations. This isn't mandatory to create one hero of each gender on the cover. What the hell is that way of thinking ?  What if they want to draw one protagonist on a specific cover, with a specific environment, telling a story to the players, regardless of what the hero is, why couldn't they because of customization ?  It's about being pragmatic, there. They do whatever the hell they want for specific reasons to sell their game, that's business. They showed fem protagonists gameplay, fem!protagonists trailers, some people just can't say that the  the fem! protagonists didn't exist, that's just not true.

I'm not saying you can't ask, on the contrary, I'd like that too, but acting like it was the biggest feminist battle ever, something over the issue of the cover, is just a joke. Especially after te fact that femshep was on the cover of M3...

Excuse me sir, but I think your privilege is showing.
It is easy for someone who is a member of a group that always has representation in everything to not understand why it would be a big deal for people who are members of a group that  rarely gets any (or no) representation to want representation.

Could you please tell me, what are the black heroes in video games ? ( except gangsters as well )
Do you really think that that we have representation in everything ? You are kidding me, right ?

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 juin 2013 - 01:13 .

[sandalisthemaker]

I Like Cats And wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

I Like Cats And wrote...

Right just like all modern feminists, stop talking once you know you have no ground to stand on. Sorry honey.

Oh, snap.
You are an impressive troll. I'll give you that.

NOt even trolling, just hype from the stupidity. I know for a fact lots of people come here and take this dumb special treatment "feminism" stance and I pray that these people are just trolling, there seriously cant be people who think this way.

Women don't want "special treatment."  (Correct me if I'm wrong ladies)
They want equal treatment.
Same with racial and sexual minorities.

[The Hierophant]

Sylvianus wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
Excuse me sir, but I think your privilege is showing.
It is easy for someone who is a member of a group that always has representation in everything to not understand why it would be a big deal for people who are members of a group that  rarely gets any (or no) representation to want representation.

Could you please tell me, what are the black heroes in video games ? ( except gangsters as well )

So i guess being black = being privileged now?...

Hell yeah finally!

[sandalisthemaker]

Sylvianus wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Excuse me sir, but I think your privilege is showing.
It is easy for someone who is a member of a group that always has representation in everything to not understand why it would be a big deal for people who are members of a group that  rarely gets any (or no) representation to want representation.

Could you please tell me, what are the black heroes in video games ? ( except gangsters as well )
Do you really think that that we have representation in everything ? You are kidding me, right ?

Okay then.
Wouldn't you like for there to be black heroes?
Why do you belittle the concerns of women wanting representation on the cover of a game as so trivial? Just because you don't care doesn't mean no one should.

[KiwiQuiche]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

I Like Cats And wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

I Like Cats And wrote...

Right just like all modern feminists, stop talking once you know you have no ground to stand on. Sorry honey.

Oh, snap.
You are an impressive troll. I'll give you that.

NOt even trolling, just hype from the stupidity. I know for a fact lots of people come here and take this dumb special treatment "feminism" stance and I pray that these people are just trolling, there seriously cant be people who think this way.

Women don't want "special treatment."  (Correct me if I'm wrong ladies)
They want equal treatment.
Same with racial and sexual minorities.

You are right, Sandal. We want equal treatment. Not special. And Cats is showing exactly why we aren't getting it, because many people seem to think feminists want 'female supremecy' and thus mock us everytime we try to bring up equality by acting high-and-mighty and making kitchen jokes.

[kmatthews]

Herr Uhl wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

the last guy that called me delicate got his nose broken. He wasn't being nice about it, he asked me why I was occupying the bench press at the gym when there was "less delicate" people that needed to use it for real.

That reaction seems a bit extreme.

A bit extreme when he was loudly making fun of me in public, harrassing me after I asked him nicely to leave me alone & being an overall jerk? No one came to my help, no one came to remove him. So nope, I think breaking his nose got him away from me permanently, as I still see him around, proved my point that I wasn't "delicate", & taught him a lesson.

My stance is unchanged. Physical assault is not an acceptable reaction to ridicule.

Right, "ridicule". It was harrasment & I'm allowed to defend myself.

[The Hierophant]

kmatthews wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

the last guy that called me delicate got his nose broken. He wasn't being nice about it, he asked me why I was occupying the bench press at the gym when there was "less delicate" people that needed to use it for real.

That reaction seems a bit extreme.

A bit extreme when he was loudly making fun of me in public, harrassing me after I asked him nicely to leave me alone & being an overall jerk? No one came to my help, no one came to remove him. So nope, I think breaking his nose got him away from me permanently, as I still see him around, proved my point that I wasn't "delicate", & taught him a lesson.

My stance is unchanged. Physical assault is not an acceptable reaction to ridicule.

Right, "ridicule". It was harrasment & I'm allowed to defend myself.

Did he make any attempt to place his hands on you?

[kmatthews]

I Like Cats And wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

the last guy that called me delicate got his nose broken. He wasn't being nice about it, he asked me why I was occupying the bench press at the gym when there was "less delicate" people that needed to use it for real.

That reaction seems a bit extreme.

A bit extreme when he was loudly making fun of me in public, harrassing me after I asked him nicely to leave me alone & being an overall jerk? No one came to my help, no one came to remove him. So nope, I think breaking his nose got him away from me permanently, as I still see him around, proved my point that I wasn't "delicate", & taught him a lesson.

I guarentee he could of kicked your ass you idiot, you got away with it because you are delicate. If a man punched you in the nose you'd expect another man to come and defend you. You're a moron. 

Sure...believe what you want to believe. & no sweetie, I can take care of myself.  He didn't retaliate because I was "delicate", it was because his ass got handed to him, thank you very much. Now you & your ignorance can leave.

[sandalisthemaker]

The Hierophant wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

the last guy that called me delicate got his nose broken. He wasn't being nice about it, he asked me why I was occupying the bench press at the gym when there was "less delicate" people that needed to use it for real.

That reaction seems a bit extreme.

A bit extreme when he was loudly making fun of me in public, harrassing me after I asked him nicely to leave me alone & being an overall jerk? No one came to my help, no one came to remove him. So nope, I think breaking his nose got him away from me permanently, as I still see him around, proved my point that I wasn't "delicate", & taught him a lesson.

My stance is unchanged. Physical assault is not an acceptable reaction to ridicule.

Right, "ridicule". It was harrasment & I'm allowed to defend myself.

Did he make any attempt to place his hands on you?

He shouldn't have put her into a defensive mode to begin with. 
If he would have treated her with respect, you know the way everyone should be treated, the whole incident would have been avoided.

[Zeldrik1389]

Filament wrote...

Zeldrik1389 wrote...


I don't know what kind of gym was that, but it sounds like it was in imaginary land and the whole thing is just a fantasy. If you break a guy's nose (is he one of the trainers or just some guy happen to go to that gym?) you won't get away with it. Either things got ugly then police will come, and that person will charge you, which will end up with either paying him a large sum of money, or some jail time. Or some others will take care of you personally, which won't be pretty either. It's funny how people talking about physically asault others without even think about the consequences.  

Have to agree with this tbh. But then one could say it's the patriarchy that makes the lack of consequences for women assaulting men a thing, since 'manhood' prevents retaliation/reporting it to authorities/etc.

You know that actually remind me of City Elf origin in DA:O. When Shianni knocked Vaughan out and Soris said that Vaughan might be too embarassed to even mention it again. The guys later came back, kidnapped, and raped her for that. As sad and terrible as it sounds, thing like that actually happen in real life. I know a girl who got raped on the way home by 5 guys because she'd slapped one of them in a bar few hours earlier. So yeah... There are lotta crazy asses out there. A decent guy may let it go, or at worst charge you. But a pimp will definitely have some pay pack. So guy or girls, my advice is don't go around assoulting people for any reasons. You are not invincible, and you should realize that before somebody teach that to you the hard way.

Modifié par Zeldrik1389, 04 juin 2013 - 01:26 .

[myrrhcat]

A study was done that showed that, when in a group of approximately half men and half women, most of the men thought that there were actually more women than men.

Men are used to being considered the majority, and they tend to perceive actual gender equality as a bias in favor of women.

So it's disappointing, but not surprising, to see a request for EQUAL treatment being viewed as a request for SPECIAL treatment.

[WildOrchid]

Sigh. This thread is really good, it would be a shame if it gets locked. Please, stop attacking each other.

[The Hierophant]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

the last guy that called me delicate got his nose broken. He wasn't being nice about it, he asked me why I was occupying the bench press at the gym when there was "less delicate" people that needed to use it for real.

That reaction seems a bit extreme.

A bit extreme when he was loudly making fun of me in public, harrassing me after I asked him nicely to leave me alone & being an overall jerk? No one came to my help, no one came to remove him. So nope, I think breaking his nose got him away from me permanently, as I still see him around, proved my point that I wasn't "delicate", & taught him a lesson.

My stance is unchanged. Physical assault is not an acceptable reaction to ridicule.

Right, "ridicule". It was harrasment & I'm allowed to defend myself.

Did he make any attempt to place his hands on you?

He shouldn't have put her into a defensive mode to begin with. 
If he would have treated her with respect, you know the way everyone should be treated, the whole incident would have been avoided.

Unless he made an attempt touch, that's assault.

[kmatthews]

The Hierophant wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

the last guy that called me delicate got his nose broken. He wasn't being nice about it, he asked me why I was occupying the bench press at the gym when there was "less delicate" people that needed to use it for real.

That reaction seems a bit extreme.

A bit extreme when he was loudly making fun of me in public, harrassing me after I asked him nicely to leave me alone & being an overall jerk? No one came to my help, no one came to remove him. So nope, I think breaking his nose got him away from me permanently, as I still see him around, proved my point that I wasn't "delicate", & taught him a lesson.

My stance is unchanged. Physical assault is not an acceptable reaction to ridicule.

Right, "ridicule". It was harrasment & I'm allowed to defend myself.

Did he make any attempt to place his hands on you?

Harrasment can be verabal & or physical. I was in the right to defend myself.

[myrrhcat]

All sexist dudes deserve to have their noses broken.

I'm not sure why any decent person would want to protect a sexist dude. It's just a little nose-breakage. That's what you get for being sexist!

[WildOrchid]

KiwiQuiche wrote...


You are right, Sandal. We want equal
treatment. Not special. And Cats is showing exactly why we aren't
getting it, because many people seem to think feminists want 'female
supremecy' and thus mock us everytime we try to bring up equality by
acting high-and-mighty and making kitchen jokes. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

Lol, they don't even know what feminism really is.

[The Hierophant]

kmatthews wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

Right, "ridicule". It was harrasment & I'm allowed to defend myself.

Did he make any attempt to place his hands on you?

Harrasment can be verabal & or physical. I was in the right to defend myself.

So he invaded your personal space you felt threatened and lashed out at him?

Modifié par The Hierophant, 04 juin 2013 - 01:31 .

[ObserverStatus]

Boxart with female protagonists isn't really all that uncommon to be honest, just look at Sarah Lyons on the box of Fallout 3.