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[Sylvianus]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Excuse me sir, but I think your privilege is showing.
It is easy for someone who is a member of a group that always has representation in everything to not understand why it would be a big deal for people who are members of a group that  rarely gets any (or no) representation to want representation.

Could you please tell me, what are the black heroes in video games ? ( except gangsters as well )
Do you really think that that we have representation in everything ? You are kidding me, right ?

Okay then.
Wouldn't you like for there to be black heroes?
Why do you belittle the concerns of women wanting representation on the cover of a game as so trivial? Just because you don't care doesn't mean no one should.

.I'm sorry to tell you that you look a bit stupid given your two posts, and you don't seem to think rationally given your logic. I've already answered your questions by the way with the first post lol. You just need to re-read and " think " harder.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 juin 2013 - 01:33 .

[sandalisthemaker]

@ The Hierophant,
You got your quote boxes all screwed up. I sympathize. Happens to me all the time lol.

[Nole]

bobobo878 wrote...

Boxart with female protagonists isn't really all that uncommon to be honest, just look at Sarah Lyons on the box of Fallout 3.

And how do you know that is Sarah O_o?
Also, boxart with female protagonist, I can only remember Final Fantasy 13, Tomb Raider and...uh...The last of us?

[sandalisthemaker]

bobobo878 wrote...

Boxart with female protagonists isn't really all that uncommon to be honest, just look at Sarah Lyons on the box of Fallout 3.

Rofl

[Sylvianus]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Ah, my apologies for that mix up; though if you were addressing the thread as a whole you shouldn't have quoted me, that's why I thought it was directed at me XD

Yeah sory about that. XD

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 juin 2013 - 01:38 .

[legbamel]

Dobbysaurus wrote...
Meh. I couldn't care less about what or who is on the box. I care about the game not the box cover. Yes, I love playing as a female but I don't need to see her on the cover or anything really to make me want to play the game more and I don't feel any less if it's a male protagonist that they show instead. I'd actually prefer to see a dragon or even a nug because they're cute and delicate...

This whole thread has been entrenghed in "I, I, I"  The point is that DA needs to reach out to new fans and bring them to the franchise.  We have the comments of several women in this thread (and a few men, as well) saying that they find new games in part by their box art.  What do you see at the store?  On Amazon or Steam?  The cover.

Does it have jack to do with the quality of the game or how enjoyable it is?  Of course not.  But it's the face the game shows to the world.  If female gamers are a growing market and women in general tend to be fans of BioWare games once they've tried them then why not put a woman on the cover and let people know you can play as one?  I'm not sure from whence the objection arises except that "girls don't game, derp derp".  Advertise both sexes so they know they have a choice.

Modifié par legbamel, 04 juin 2013 - 01:40 .

[chuckles471]

kmatthews wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

the last guy that called me delicate got his nose broken. He wasn't being nice about it, he asked me why I was occupying the bench press at the gym when there was "less delicate" people that needed to use it for real.

That reaction seems a bit extreme.

A bit extreme when he was loudly making fun of me in public, harrassing me after I asked him nicely to leave me alone & being an overall jerk? No one came to my help, no one came to remove him. So nope, I think breaking his nose got him away from me permanently, as I still see him around, proved my point that I wasn't "delicate", & taught him a lesson.

My stance is unchanged. Physical assault is not an acceptable reaction to ridicule.

Right, "ridicule". It was harrasment & I'm allowed to defend myself.

Did he make any attempt to place his hands on you?

Harrasment can be verabal & or physical. I was in the right to defend myself.

Not if you have the option of walking away and reporting it, kinda the first rule of self defence.
If what you said wasn't fictional, you would be done with assault.  What did you do after, roundhouse kick all his friends with sweet ninjitsu.  (If a guy came up with a story like that, they would be mocked, just treating you equally).

[myrrhcat]

Punching a dude who calls you delicate is a perfectly appropriate response. It simultaneously proves him wrong about you being delicate, and punishes him for being a sexist ****. It'll actually make him think twice about making sexist comments in the future, whereas walking away or reporting him will just leave him with a story to tell his friends.

[Inquisitor Recon]

My, what terrible discrimination exists where a male as opposed to a female is on cover art. That would be almost as bad as a cover of a community college brouchure not representing every minority possible in a group photo. Oh the horror, just think of the mental trauma somebody may endure if the default PC isn't a black lesbian from Orlais. Don't people have important things about the game to worry about?

I eagerly await somebody telling me to "check my privilege". Ah, you think privilege is your ally? You merely adopted privilege. I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't know I was so privileged until I was already a man, by then I felt no guilt and feel none now.

[I Like Cats And]

myrrhcat wrote...

Punching a dude who calls you delicate is a perfectly appropriate response. It simultaneously proves him wrong about you being delicate, and punishes him for being a sexist ****. It'll actually make him think twice about making sexist comments in the future, whereas walking away or reporting him will just leave him with a story to tell his friends.

Ok, don't be mad when that same guy beats you up. 

[kmatthews]

chuckles471 wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

kmatthews wrote...

the last guy that called me delicate got his nose broken. He wasn't being nice about it, he asked me why I was occupying the bench press at the gym when there was "less delicate" people that needed to use it for real.

That reaction seems a bit extreme.

A bit extreme when he was loudly making fun of me in public, harrassing me after I asked him nicely to leave me alone & being an overall jerk? No one came to my help, no one came to remove him. So nope, I think breaking his nose got him away from me permanently, as I still see him around, proved my point that I wasn't "delicate", & taught him a lesson.

My stance is unchanged. Physical assault is not an acceptable reaction to ridicule.

Right, "ridicule". It was harrasment & I'm allowed to defend myself.

Did he make any attempt to place his hands on you?

Harrasment can be verabal & or physical. I was in the right to defend myself.

Not if you have the option of walking away and reporting it, kinda the first rule of self defence.
If what you said wasn't fictional, you would be done with assault.  What did you do after, roundhouse kick all his friends with sweet ninjitsu.  (If a guy came up with a story like that, they would be mocked, just treating you equally).

Yeah report it & then he gets away with it, again & again. Reporting never solves the problem, especially when it comes from a female reporting a man for harrasment, please. I punched him, that was it. He didn't file a charge against me, the owner didn't have to call the cops to break up a fight because there wasn't one, & once I told the owner what happened, they excused my behavior & were going to revoke his membership until I told them it was fine. Simple as that.

[legbamel]

[facepalm] Bye-bye, thread.

And no, punching anyone is not a perfectly appropriate response. I don't care what gender you are or he was, punching is a sorry way out of a conflict. There are avenues for dealing with ****s that don't involve being one.

[myrrhcat]

I Like Cats And wrote...

myrrhcat wrote...

Punching a dude who calls you delicate is a perfectly appropriate response. It simultaneously proves him wrong about you being delicate, and punishes him for being a sexist ****. It'll actually make him think twice about making sexist comments in the future, whereas walking away or reporting him will just leave him with a story to tell his friends.

Ok, don't be mad when that same guy beats you up. 

He could try. But, contrary to what you seem to believe, women are actually capable of holding their own in a fight.

In fact, they can even fight and kill hundreds of people and creatures... and be a great hero... perhaps even badass enough to be on the cover of a game!

Wow.

[sandalisthemaker]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

My, what terrible discrimination exists where a male as opposed to a female is on cover art. That would be almost as bad as a cover of a community college brouchure not representing every minority possible in a group photo. Oh the horror, just think of the mental trauma somebody may endure if the default PC isn't a black lesbian from Orlais. Don't people have important things about the game to worry about?

I eagerly await somebody telling me to "check my privilege". Ah, you think privilege is your ally? You merely adopted privilege. I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't know I was so privileged until I was already a man, by then I felt no guilt and feel none now.

*yawn*

[kmatthews]

myrrhcat wrote...

I Like Cats And wrote...

myrrhcat wrote...

Punching a dude who calls you delicate is a perfectly appropriate response. It simultaneously proves him wrong about you being delicate, and punishes him for being a sexist ****. It'll actually make him think twice about making sexist comments in the future, whereas walking away or reporting him will just leave him with a story to tell his friends.

Ok, don't be mad when that same guy beats you up. 

He could try. But, contrary to what you seem to believe, women are actually capable of holding their own in a fight.

In fact, they can even fight and kill hundreds of people and creatures... and be a great hero... perhaps even badass enough to be on the cover of a game!

Wow.

Ha that came full circle xD I'm in the Army, I think I'm capable of defending myself very well. 

[kmatthews]

Modifié par kmatthews, 04 juin 2013 - 01:51 .

[Red Panda]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Boxart with female protagonists isn't really all that uncommon to be honest, just look at Sarah Lyons on the box of Fallout 3.

*lolsnip*

Rofl

Okay, that was good.


Still, almost all Bioware games have had some male default character. Why not take a risk and go for some variation?

I'd be down for it any day of the week.

[ObserverStatus]

myrrhcat wrote...
Punching a dude who calls you delicate is a perfectly appropriate response. It simultaneously proves him wrong about you being delicate, and punishes him for being a sexist ****. It'll actually make him think twice about making sexist comments in the future, whereas walking away or reporting him will just leave him with a story to tell his friends.

Um, I don't think that punching someone who calls you delciate is an appropriate response. Doing this would be considered an "assault" which is actually illegal under most state and local laws.

[Seboist]

myrrhcat wrote...

Punching a dude who calls you delicate is a perfectly appropriate response. It simultaneously proves him wrong about you being delicate, and punishes him for being a sexist ****. It'll actually make him think twice about making sexist comments in the future, whereas walking away or reporting him will just leave him with a story to tell his friends.

What if said man responds with some "gender quality" by returning the punch?

[myrrhcat]

bobobo878 wrote...

myrrhcat wrote...
Punching a dude who calls you delicate is a perfectly appropriate response. It simultaneously proves him wrong about you being delicate, and punishes him for being a sexist ****. It'll actually make him think twice about making sexist comments in the future, whereas walking away or reporting him will just leave him with a story to tell his friends.

Um, I don't think that punching someone who calls you delciate is an appropriate response. Doing this would be considered an "assault" which is actually illegal under most state and local laws.

Just because something's illegal doesn't mean it's morally wrong. Like I said before, sexists deserve to have their noses broken. And while I'm at it, racists deserve to be dunked into tanks full of bees and homophobes deserve to have their armpit hairs plucked out one by one with tweezers. Physical pain is, in fact, a pretty merciful punishment for bigotry.

Modifié par myrrhcat, 04 juin 2013 - 02:00 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

bobobo878 wrote...

myrrhcat wrote...
Punching a dude who calls you delicate is a perfectly appropriate response. It simultaneously proves him wrong about you being delicate, and punishes him for being a sexist ****. It'll actually make him think twice about making sexist comments in the future, whereas walking away or reporting him will just leave him with a story to tell his friends.

Um, I don't think that punching someone who calls you delciate is an appropriate response. Doing this would be considered an "assault" which is actually illegal under most state and local laws.

When the cops arrest her they will obviously be proving themselves to be facist sexist pigs. That's how the game works. Laws shouldn't apply to people with a negative privilege score.

[ObserverStatus]

Seboist wrote...

myrrhcat wrote...
Punching a dude who calls you delicate is a perfectly appropriate response. It simultaneously proves him wrong about you being delicate, and punishes him for being a sexist ****. It'll actually make him think twice about making sexist comments in the future, whereas walking away or reporting him will just leave him with a story to tell his friends.

What if said man responds with some "gender quality" by returning the punch?

Then he would be stooping to her level. If some random person assaults you in the gym, than for faks sake, just retreat from the area and report the incident to the police like a sane human being.

Modifié par bobobo878, 04 juin 2013 - 02:00 .

[Ravensword]

Nevermind.

Modifié par Ravensword, 04 juin 2013 - 02:02 .

[myrrhcat]

Seboist wrote...

myrrhcat wrote...

Punching a dude who calls you delicate is a perfectly appropriate response. It simultaneously proves him wrong about you being delicate, and punishes him for being a sexist ****. It'll actually make him think twice about making sexist comments in the future, whereas walking away or reporting him will just leave him with a story to tell his friends.

What if said man responds with some "gender quality" by returning the punch?

Like I said before, he can try, but women can handle themselves in a fight, and he's a fool to try and start a fight with someone who just broke his nose.

The whole "but if you want gender equality, doesn't that mean men should be able to hit women???" thing is so played out. Completely missing the point.

[TheBlackBaron]

myrrhcat wrote...

I remember that earlier in this thread, someone made the common (and utterly played-out joke) somewhere along the lines of "gee, you guys are so crazy to want equal representation for EVERYONE, why don't we just put a [black, albino, handicapped, transgender woman] on the cover?" Or whatever list of "minority attributes" they could think of off the top of their head.

The thing is, that'd be great to see. I know it's easy to forget when you're a regular vanilla-ass straight white dude, but people who belong to all of those demographics do exist... and you're not better or more important than them... and representing them isn't unrealistic at all. BECAUSE THEY EXIST.

Before this thread gets locked, I think it's interesting how much effort gets put into attempting to delegitimize this question, because I think the people who make these threads realize they don't have an answer for it.

When you start demanding equal representation for non-"dudebros" (again, I think it's wonderful how much this gets thrown around to stereotype male gamers), where do you draw the line? Shall we have one protaganist of each ethnicity that could be created or are in a country the game will be marketed in? Is one woman sufficient, or do we also need a woman of each race? Do we attempt to display transgender people as well? Can we take just "one of each" and use them to represent everybody, or do we also need to have all possible combinations? What about when sexuality enters the fray? Do you propose to have thirty or forty different versions of the same character on the cover, so that everybody is represented "equally"?

A cover displaying artwork or something besides a protaganist is sounding pretty good right now, isn't it? 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 04 juin 2013 - 02:00 .