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[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Pretty much, she didn't look like a character which would belong to a game which I'd like, but eventually after loads of people telling me it was good I played the demo and I was right I didn't like it.

Its probably why I couldn't understand the rage people felt when it became a Nintendo exclusive.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 04 juin 2013 - 03:36 .

[HiroVoid]

Final Fantasy X-2's gameplay was also absoultetly better than Final Fantasy X's.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

You are joking right?

Its the second worst game in the series.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

spirosz wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

The Sin wrote...

One does not simply make impulse luxury purchases. One does not simply make purchases based on box art.

You're kidding, right?

I don't. It's 60 bloody dollars. I always research a game I buy.

Diminishing marginal utility.  Many people - particularly young people who don't have to pay their own living expenses - don't perceive $60 as significant.

That is very true and how I went about getting the games I had when I was younger.  Now I'm not in that position and I'm willing to argue many on this thread or not either. 

Some people are very discerning about purchases, moreso those on a budget. A certain type of person will happily buy anything that looks appealing at first glance, and that's true of more than just games. For a lot of people, the cover art (or how shiny the item is) is what catches their attention in the first place, if not cinches the sale.

Marketing seems to think that games with a lead female don't sell as well as games with a lead male. Is it true? I don't know. I don't think there's enough data on the female side for a fair comparison yet, and I doubt it's going to change significantly unless some f!games become so incredibly popular that other companies rush to cash in on the trend.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

tbh I think it has to do with age, when I was younger and had money to spare I'd tip in to the game store and just buy a game nearly on the art of the box alone, but now that I'm older and have bills to pay I'd make sure the game is actually good before I buy it.

[Angrywolves]

X2 has been better than all the recent FF games. Rather sad. The covers are a major reason why I buy a game. However it won't matter for DAI as I won't buy the game until I read several favorable review from independent sources.

[Chromie]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

I bet if we get a femProtagonist on the cover she'll be showing her cleavage and it would mean the end of BSN.

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Well, there's your problem... you have a copy of the PS3 version. You're playing the game wrong. 

But I have the PC master race version!

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Angrywolves wrote...

X2 has been better than all the recent FF games. Rather sad. The covers are a major reason why I buy a game. However it won't matter for DAI as I won't buy the game until I read several favorable review from independent sources.

Well I agree about DAI, bioware has certainly thought me a lesson about preordering games.  But I personally think FFX was the last good FF,  FFXII had very good gameplay but the story was just plain boring. I wish though square would have went in FFXII's direction of gameplay with new releases, not whatever FFXIII was.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

idk. i like it. maybe I'll make a Broodmother one instead for the sake of this thread.

[Chromie]

FFXII > FFX/X-2

Just wish Matsuno had not left but it was SE's stupid decision that ultimately was the last straw for him.

CrustyBot wrote...



idk. i like it. maybe I'll make a Broodmother one instead for the sake of this thread.

Modifié par Skelter192, 04 juin 2013 - 04:00 .

[SurelyForth]

Seboist wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...


It's principle of the thing. The point of the thread is about having more female representation in general. It matters to some people. 

"Some people" being the entitled and self-righteous e-social crusaders.

How is it entitled to have an open preference about seeing a (non-sexualized) woman representing a video game that you plan on buying? You might not realize it, but representation absolutely matters, especially because when women are represented, it's typically in the role of wife/girlfriend/sex object/victim and that feeds into the notion that women's functions in society are similarly limited. It has nothing to do with being self-righteous or social crusaders and everything to do with simply wanting to see a well-written female protagonist receive a fraction of the support that her male counterparts do. 

I mean, if it's a silly thing that you can dismiss as being beneath the notice of non-"some people", then why the **** are you even here in the first place? Why not let those of us who want to see a female Inquisitor lead the marketing express our personal opinions and just keep your empty commentary to yourself? I promise that the existence of a thread like this that isn't being ****ted up by namecalling won't result in the sudden subjugation of anyone who prefers their avatar to be a thirtysomething white guy.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Am I the only one who now hates the word entitled?

[wsandista]

CrustyBot wrote...



idk. i like it. maybe I'll make a Broodmother one instead for the sake of this thread.

[wsandista]

DinoSteve wrote...

Am I the only one who now hates the word entitled?

Why do you think you're entitled to hatred?

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

wsandista wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Am I the only one who now hates the word entitled?

Why do you think you're entitled to hatred?

Well played.

[FaWa]

CrustyBot wrote...



idk. i like it. maybe I'll make a Broodmother one instead for the sake of this thread.

looooooooooooooooool. I love this

[Seboist]

SurelyForth wrote...

Seboist wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...


It's principle of the thing. The point of the thread is about having more female representation in general. It matters to some people. 

"Some people" being the entitled and self-righteous e-social crusaders.

How is it entitled to have an open preference about seeing a (non-sexualized) woman representing a video game that you plan on buying? You might not realize it, but representation absolutely matters, especially because when women are represented, it's typically in the role of wife/girlfriend/sex object/victim and that feeds into the notion that women's functions in society are similarly limited. It has nothing to do with being self-righteous or social crusaders and everything to do with simply wanting to see a well-written female protagonist receive a fraction of the support that her male counterparts do. 

I mean, if it's a silly thing that you can dismiss as being beneath the notice of non-"some people", then why the **** are you even here in the first place? Why not let those of us who want to see a female Inquisitor lead the marketing express our personal opinions and just keep your empty commentary to yourself? I promise that the existence of a thread like this that isn't being ****ted up by namecalling won't result in the sudden subjugation of anyone who prefers their avatar to be a thirtysomething white guy.

The vast majority of players prefer to play as the male character as evidenced by ME where only a small minority(less than a quarter) played as femshep. It's just plain logic to use the male PC on there.

*points to sunglasses Hitler*

Deal with it.

[Angrywolves]

I don't mind a female inquisitor on the cover. Connor said keep it civil in DAO. Can't we do the same here ? Not that I mind doing Ninja Stan's job for him but I wouldn't want him to end of line this thread prematurely . I can see why some people are tired of the social causes protruding into everything. But on the other hand I feel sympathetic to women as I am a minority and yes I have experienced discrimination. So we need to be tolerant as ultimately the game will succeed or fail based upon what is inside the box and not on what is on the cover.

[katiebour]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

The way your mere existence oppresses women and gays unless you feel guility 24/7. Now go feel bad somewhere else.

Actually the point of this thread was a request to make it clear that a fem!protag option exists in the marketing, including on the box, on the website, and in trailers, with the following caveats:

Equal placement:  Not on the back.  On the front.  Not behind.  Side-by-side. Or 50/50 covers featuring each protag.
No skimpy clothing
No bizarre spine-breaking T&A poses (a la the Hawkeye Initiative)
Not a female LI but an actual fem!protag, a powerful avatar in her own right

No guilt required or asked for.  I never used the word oppressed.  I never asked for man!protag to disappear.  My favorite option thus far is to put them side-by-side and I think it should be clear by now why I feel that way.

We haven't yet had a DA game with a fem!protag on the box, despite the fact that many women play the game, despite the fact that the player has been able to create a fem!protag in all of the games.

You don't have to feel defensive, or hated, or guilty.

[AshenShug4r]

myrrhcat wrote...
Just because something's illegal doesn't mean it's morally wrong. Like I said before, sexists deserve to have their noses broken. And while I'm at it, racists deserve to be dunked into tanks full of bees and homophobes deserve to have their armpit hairs plucked out one by one with tweezers. Physical pain is, in fact, a pretty merciful punishment for bigotry.

Feminist logic.

Modifié par AshenShug4r, 04 juin 2013 - 04:34 .

[n7stormrunner]

AshenShug4r wrote...

myrrhcat wrote...
Just because something's illegal doesn't mean it's morally wrong. Like I said before, sexists deserve to have their noses broken. And while I'm at it, racists deserve to be dunked into tanks full of bees and homophobes deserve to have their armpit hairs plucked out one by one with tweezers. Physical pain is, in fact, a pretty merciful punishment for bigotry.

Feminist logic.

just wait for fate, karma and irony to do their thing. it is always funny 

[KiwiQuiche]

AshenShug4r wrote...

myrrhcat wrote...
Just because something's illegal doesn't mean it's morally wrong. Like I said before, sexists deserve to have their noses broken. And while I'm at it, racists deserve to be dunked into tanks full of bees and homophobes deserve to have their armpit hairs plucked out one by one with tweezers. Physical pain is, in fact, a pretty merciful punishment for bigotry.

Feminist logic.

Nice generalization there.

But I would prefer a plain package; like Skyrim's or something since DAI is a RPG that you make your own main PC.

[Chromie]

myrrhcat wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

myrrhcat wrote...
Punching a dude who calls you delicate is a perfectly appropriate response. It simultaneously proves him wrong about you being delicate, and punishes him for being a sexist ****. It'll actually make him think twice about making sexist comments in the future, whereas walking away or reporting him will just leave him with a story to tell his friends.

Um, I don't think that punching someone who calls you delciate is an appropriate response. Doing this would be considered an "assault" which is actually illegal under most state and local laws.

Just because something's illegal doesn't mean it's morally wrong. Like I said before, sexists deserve to have their noses broken. And while I'm at it, racists deserve to be dunked into tanks full of bees and homophobes deserve to have their armpit hairs plucked out one by one with tweezers. Physical pain is, in fact, a pretty merciful punishment for bigotry.

Lol what the ****?

[katiebour]

The Sin wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hitokirinome wrote...

Okay guys. Let me ask you a question? Did having a woman on the cover of the box stop you from buying Starcraft II: Heart of the Swarm? How about Tomb Raider? Blood Rayne 1 & 2? Bayonetta? Final Fantasy X-2? Final Fantasy XIII? Final Fantasy XIII-2? No it didn't. And if there were a F!Inquisitor on the cover of D3, you wouldn't care either.

Then why does it matter?

PRECISELY. IT DOESN'T

Many women today, many feminist women today like to find issues from nonexistent places such as this one.

If it doesn't matter, then let's put fem!protag on the cover.  



Person A: What do you want on the cover?

Person B:  I don't care.  It's not important, anyway.  What do you want?

Person A:  I'd like to see the female protagonist on the cover.

Does math:

1 vote for DO NOT CARE
1 vote for fem!protag

Oh, look, fem!protag wins!

Also, do a little thought exercise for me.  Imagine that you go into a game store, and every cover, and I mean EVERY cover has a woman on it.  Every cover features a woman with a gun, or a woman with a sword, or a woman in armor, or women killing zombies.

EVERY ONE.

You buy a game (with a woman on the cover) and you assume that you will be playing as the woman on the cover, because 95% of games have female protagonists.  There might be some man-meat, shirtless and sexy in the background, but we all know he's nothing but chest and ass.

You get home with your new game, pop it in, and the intro video features that woman on the cover kicking ass.  Ok, well, you expected that, because all games star women, right, and she was on the cover.  She's obviously the protagonist.

And then you get to the character creation screen, and you see an option that surprises the hell out of you.  A little button that says "Man."

And you stare at it, and look at the box, and back at the screen, because you had NO IDEA that you could play as a man in this game, and how rare is that!  Amazing!

You play through the game, and it's excellent, and you recommend it to all of your man-friends, emphasizing that it is a rare and precious game that actually reinforces and celebrates your identity as a man.  "Never mind the chick on the cover," you say, "trust me, you can play as a guy and it's awesome."

And then you start to wonder about all the other men forlornly walking the game store aisles, seeing row after row of games where women kick ass and men are relegated to the back cover.  You think, "those guys might really enjoy this game if they knew you could play as a guy."  And maybe you start to wonder why they didn't show the guy on the cover next to the chick, because after all, the fact that you can have this unusual experience, playing a protagonist that matches your gender and affirms that you too can be a hero, is a major selling point.

If you've walked with me through that thought exercise, then you've just had a small taste of what it's like to be a woman gamer.

[KiwiQuiche]

The Sin wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hitokirinome wrote...

Okay guys. Let me ask you a question? Did having a woman on the cover of the box stop you from buying Starcraft II: Heart of the Swarm? How about Tomb Raider? Blood Rayne 1 & 2? Bayonetta? Final Fantasy X-2? Final Fantasy XIII? Final Fantasy XIII-2? No it didn't. And if there were a F!Inquisitor on the cover of D3, you wouldn't care either.

Then why does it matter?

PRECISELY. IT DOESN'T

Many women today, many feminist women today like to find issues from nonexistent places such as this one.

Maybe us 'feminist women' are seeing sexist issues all over the place because there are sexist issues all over the place but most people just accept it as normal or don't care?


But I wouldn't mind that Broodmother on the cover...