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[SpringPower]

I have just completed looking around Lothering, and decided to do the Broken Circle quest, and have just completed that one. Now, back at camp, I am really torn between who to take to the Redcliffes. Currently, I have:

PC Character: Warrior (archery talent)
Alistar: Warrior (tank)
LeLiana: Rogue (I like having her in the party for a crossbow and picking locks)

Decison between:

Wynne: Exceptional healer---ability to regenerate characters----healing spells are very rapid----weak on offensive spells; but, the staff can deal some minor damage

Morrigan: Shapeshifter, useful if mana is depleted, and can shapechange for defense----execellent offensive spells---weak healing

I am currently level 9, and Morrigan, who was in camp for broken circle so I could take Wynne, is auto set for level up, and is at the very beginning of level 8.

I was thinking of taking Morrigan with me, changing auto level up, and then having her learn the same healing spells Wynne uses, and then changing her back to auto learn (or not) the more offensive spells.

Without any spoilers (if possible)....any suggestions?

[AnniLau]

I've never found Morrigan all that useful and she disapproves of practically everything I do, so I usually go with Wynne. Her Spirit Healer spec rocks.

[Jayphil]

morrigan in an all good group.... (alistair and leliana) NOT GOOD... oh the conflicting ideas, and choices.. causing one of them to drop...

[Dlokir]

AnniLau wrote...

I've never found Morrigan all that useful and she disapproves of practically everything I do, so I usually go with Wynne. Her Spirit Healer spec rocks.

LOL, Morrigan is weird that's the point. I also felt her somehow like this and unpleasant. For mage towers I gave up Morrigan and used Wynne (with the dog and Alistair, my character was a rogue) but much later in the game, Morrigan having already a high level of relationship, I got back Morrigan and felt her better to play. Wynne is still a very good option and a nice companion. Beside being a good morale companion she also bring some fresh air in CRPG companion, an old woman, isn't a choice I remember to have ever seen as a CRPG companion. Even less with a mentality a bit like an old grand mother.

Modifié par Dlokir, 17 janvier 2010 - 06:52 .

[SusanStoHelit]

Yep, not Morrigan with the others - unless you don't mind losing some 'liking' from her. In that case, stuff her. And I'd get a longbow on Leli, crossbows are broken, or at least they were last time I looked.



Crowd control will be crucial and so will healing. You might not be aware, and I won't include spoilers, but there is currently some discussion over whether Redcliffe is 'broken' in the sense that it seems to some people testing it that it's actually harder to do in Easy mode than in Nightmare mode. Also be aware that there are two other potential problems in that battle. If you'd like some details, I'll post, otherwise I'll leave it at that.

[Gilsa]

For your situation specifically, I would say take Wynne until Morrigan acquires the type of healing spells you want her to have. It would take her a few more levels to unlock the spirit healing spec. You can always set up tactics to have your group chugging potions at a certain health threshold so Morrigan isn't doing all the healing work. You won't need as much healing if she's dishing out the crowd control as well. (Off the top of my head, she has a spell to put everyone to sleep. That's one example.) You may feel that Wynne is weak on the dps, but her job is to make you a lean and mean killing machine. You ARE her dps. =p



Can't go wrong with either, but I'd say start with Wynne until you're comfortable not depending on her heals as much.

[errant_knight]

I hardly ever go anywhere without Morrigan. Once you get her some area spells, she's a killing machine. Just take lots of poultices. Oh, and auto-levelling is a very bad idea. This game needs very careful planning of levelling. I like Wynne better, but Morrigan is incredibly useful.

Jayphil wrote...

morrigan in an all good group.... (alistair and leliana) NOT GOOD... oh the conflicting ideas, and choices.. causing one of them to drop...

That's what presents and personal quests are for. I always have the PC and Alistair, I have Morrigan about 90% of the time, and swap Leiliana, Sten, or Oghren, depending on the quest. (One of these playthroughs, I'll have to give Zevran lockpicking, so I can use him instead of leiliana for a change) Anyway, right now Alistair, Leiliana, Morrigan, and Sten are all at 100%, Wynne and Zevran are around 80. If you're decent to everyone, it's not that hard to keep them all happy.

Modifié par errant_knight, 17 janvier 2010 - 08:15 .

[AnniLau]

I get along with Morrigan much better when I leave her in camp.

Modifié par AnniLau, 17 janvier 2010 - 08:12 .

[Lenimph]

Aww but hearing Morrigan whine about how nice you are is half the fun of the game. My main trio first playthrough was Alistair, Leliana and Morrigan... ahh good times good times



I would suggest not taking Morrigan to Redcliff if you want to stay on her good side you get alot of disapproval from her in Redcliff if you be a nice person.

[errant_knight]

Lenimph wrote...

Aww but hearing Morrigan whine about how nice you are is half the fun of the game. My main trio first playthrough was Alistair, Leliana and Morrigan... ahh good times good times

I would suggest not taking Morrigan to Redcliff if you want to stay on her good side you get alot of disapproval from her in Redcliff if you be a nice person.

Nothing a couple of trinkets won't cure.

[AnniLau]

Lenimph wrote...

Aww but hearing Morrigan whine about how nice you are is half the fun of the game. My main trio first playthrough was Alistair, Leliana and Morrigan... ahh good times good times

I would suggest not taking Morrigan to Redcliff if you want to stay on her good side you get alot of disapproval from her in Redcliff if you be a nice person.

*nods*

[errant_knight]

I should probably mention that as well as using a good party, I play a good PC. Morrigan disapproves of pretty much everything I do, but I've never had any trouble keeping her resonably happy--totally happy if I complete her quest to her satisfaction.

[Xandurpein]

errant_knight wrote...

I should probably mention that as well as using a good party, I play a good PC. Morrigan disapproves of pretty much everything I do, but I've never had any trouble keeping her resonably happy--totally happy if I complete her quest to her satisfaction.

I agree, by showering her with gifts and finding a reasonable middle-ground beween staying good and not antagonizing her purposefully in camp, I can keep morrigan very happy and even romance her, even if I go against her wish on every quest.

The key to romance her and still rolepley a "good" character is to remember that a good person, don't have to crowd her with talks of love if she isn't ready for it and a "good" person really don't have to believe in the chantrys teachings about apostates either.

Do that, and do her personal quests and you can have her as a quirky friend or lover and still play good.

[Carodej]

My main suggestion is never use the auto level up.  I have no idea what BW was thinking when they designed the thing, but I think anyone smart enough to be able to play this game is smarter than the auto leveling scheme used.

Other than that, I feel the Heal spell may be the single most useful spell for this part of the game (well, in order to achieve certain good, but not actually necessary things).

Sorry, but I can't really say more about spells without giving hints that are spoilerish.

As others have pointed out, the odds are good you will get some disapproval from Morrigan, but it is easy to make up for that with gifts.

[devilsgrin]

SpringPower wrote...

I have just completed looking around Lothering, and decided to do the Broken Circle quest, and have just completed that one. Now, back at camp, I am really torn between who to take to the Redcliffes. Currently, I have:

PC Character: Warrior (archery talent)
Alistar: Warrior (tank)
LeLiana: Rogue (I like having her in the party for a crossbow and picking locks)

Decison between:

Wynne: Exceptional healer---ability to regenerate characters----healing spells are very rapid----weak on offensive spells; but, the staff can deal some minor damage

Morrigan: Shapeshifter, useful if mana is depleted, and can shapechange for defense----execellent offensive spells---weak healing

I am currently level 9, and Morrigan, who was in camp for broken circle so I could take Wynne, is auto set for level up, and is at the very beginning of level 8.

I was thinking of taking Morrigan with me, changing auto level up, and then having her learn the same healing spells Wynne uses, and then changing her back to auto learn (or not) the more offensive spells.

Without any spoilers (if possible)....any suggestions?

Auto-level? Are you mad? Don't Be Lazy, level her up yourself, or you'll end up with a completely unusable companion.
It takes a monumental amount of effort for Morrigan to match Wynne as a healer, only the PC can do this easily, and your not a mage. Certainly give Morrigan heal... all mages should have at least heal... just like all mages should have winter's grasp. (and preferably Petrify... but thats just my mages, all of them end up with either petrify or crushing prison -  sometimes both).

Agreed with the above replies.... a cross-bow? on leliana? a strength based ranged weapon on a high DEX character? give Leli a longbow pronto. You get more than enough long (or even short) bows that are excellent weapons, that giving both primo bows is easily done... even finding a single good crossbow requires Warden's Keep.

As to your actual conundrum... with so few options party wise, Wynne would probably be the better option considering your Warden is a ranged warrior, so Morrigan's dps isn't as crucial.

[SpringPower]

This is some really great insight on many levels. I have some changes to make and some work to do! Thanks so much everyone!

[Addai]

devilsgrin wrote...

It takes a monumental amount of effort for Morrigan to match Wynne as a healer, only the PC can do this easily, and your not a mage. Certainly give Morrigan heal... all mages should have at least heal... just like all mages should have winter's grasp. (and preferably Petrify... but thats just my mages, all of them end up with either petrify or crushing prison -  sometimes both).

As to your actual conundrum... with so few options party wise, Wynne would probably be the better option considering your Warden is a ranged warrior, so Morrigan's dps isn't as crucial.

Monumental??  There's nothing hard about making Morrigan a healer.  Half of Wynne's spells go wasted in my games, so I find it more efficient to spec Morrigan in Heal + Rejuvenate + Group Heal + Revival than to bring Wynne's damage spells up.  That's really all the healing I find I need.  Crowd control in particular is so important, and in the time you can give Wynne one AoE spell, Morrigan can (pretty much) get two.  I use Wynne early in the game and then switch to Morrigan almost exclusively.  The mage and the ranged DPS can work together to great effect.  Enemy archers-->Fireball + clean-up by PC archer, for example.

[Kiwiya]

AnniLau wrote...

I've never found Morrigan all that useful and she disapproves of practically everything I do, so I usually go with Wynne. Her Spirit Healer spec rocks.

^This.

Much as I prefer Morrigan as a character (wynne is so annoying, ohgod), I always end up taking the healer everywhere. I'm pretty sure she loses approval if you don't kill Jowan, though.

[Addai]

I don't get this... at least by level 14, Morrigan can be "the healer" just as well as Wynne. And she is "the destroyer," too. Of course, both of them by late game can be spec'ed out to offset their early weaknesses. It really is personal preference. But it is a bit ridiculous to say that Morrigan has to stay in camp because you need the healing. Early on that may be true, but she catches up quickly. If you take her Horror line and a couple others to their end, you won't need much healing anyway.

Of course, I think it pays to invest tomes in one mage and stick with her.  Personally, even though I play "good" characters, Wynne's preachiness gets to me.  Once I have Morrigan's approval up with a few "pretty baubles," I rarely take disapproval hits from her.  The only place I leave her at camp is Redcliffe.  Fortunately, you can easily sub out your party members in Redcliffe Village and I just sub her back in before the battle.

Modifié par Addai67, 18 janvier 2010 - 03:06 .