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[The Hierophant]

Nice post, i'd welcome a visit to the Black City as it would give context to Thedas' history/lore. 

Modifié par The Hierophant, 03 juin 2013 - 07:54 .

[chrstnmonks]

I would love to find out more about The Black city.

[Tinxa]

I don't know... the black city is such a big part of mythology than unblacking it would need to be a whole game plot. I'd rather it remained a mystery.

[The Six Path of Pain]

I'd rather it be kept ambiguous /:

[The Hierophant]

^^^making it possible for the pc to travel to the GC by capturing, and interrogating...



Corypheus

Modifié par The Hierophant, 03 juin 2013 - 08:11 .

[Demx]

We ain't going to no Black City. That would be too much lore advancement. Things must stay ambiguous and bring in more questions without answering the last set of questions.

[Ieldra]

I don't believe the Black City was ever golden.
I don't believe the Maker has anything to do with it.
I don't believe that the ancient Magisters caused any "corruption" there.

All that is propaganda by the Chantry, and I would really hate any indication that we're meant to take it literally.

Other than that, I would like to know more about it. An NPC I don't recall says that "there is a connection between the Black City and the darkspawn". I would like that to be a explored in a future DA story.

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I don't believe the Black City was ever golden.

How could it not have been? We know for a fact the Magisters broke into it which suggests it was visible since before Tevinter. Thus, it follows that, at that point, it appeared golden or Corypheus and his ilk wouldn't have believed it to be. Corypheus specifically mentions that the city was "supposed to be golden."
If the City was golden or appeared to be until the Magisters actually entered it; and now everyone sees it as a dark city; it strongly suggests their invasion was the catalyst of some change, Maker-related or not.

[agrael92]

Siradix wrote...

We ain't going to no Black City. That would be too much lore advancement. Things must stay ambiguous and bring in more questions without answering the last set of questions.

This. But I hope we do have some advancement of this plotline in DA 3. It could akso be linked with that of the darkspawn and the Architect. I would like this two plotlines to be carried on in future chapters and not left stuck to the point they are. But I understand that they are, togheter, quite a big topic, one that could require an entire game about it.

[Angrywolves]

yup. DA4 or 5. Not DAI.

[dgcatanisiri]

According to Corypheus, the Golden City was already black when the magisters made their transgressions. And it is implied that he managed to survive his encounter with Hawke, so he could, potentially, be a force to face in the future (if Legacy wasn't played, then he could have been released by Janeka somehow).

If we go to Tevinter, we might actually get more on the subject - I can't imagine that we'd be there without spending some time on learning the history of the ancient Tevinter mages.

[Jaronking]

If anyone should go to the black city it should be the grey warden to see if they can stop the blights from continuing

[Jedi Master of Orion]

No Corypheus' dialogue is ambiguous. He sounded to me like he was describing been black "ever since."

All we know is that the city was believed to be golden by at least some of the people of the world at the time.

[funmachine]

MisterJB wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I don't believe the Black City was ever golden.

How could it not have been? We know for a fact the Magisters broke into it which suggests it was visible since before Tevinter. Thus, it follows that, at that point, it appeared golden or Corypheus and his ilk wouldn't have believed it to be. Corypheus specifically mentions that the city was "supposed to be golden."
If the City was golden or appeared to be until the Magisters actually entered it; and now everyone sees it as a dark city; it strongly suggests their invasion was the catalyst of some change, Maker-related or not.

I'm completely on the fence over this exact problem. "Popular opinion" (I don't know how to say this better, not a native speaker of English, so sorry about that ) would have us believe that the Black City used to be gold, as described by mages traveling through the fade I assume. The Tevinter magisters entering the Golden City supposedly corrupted the place, turning it black as the current generation of mages perceive it. Credible enough I suppose, but we know that the fade is an ever-changing place. Would it be so inconceivable to believe that maybe it was some sort of trick all along? Corypheus saying that the city was already black when they arrived there made me doubt the accuracy of the whole known history of the Black City. But in the end I have absolutely no idea what to think of this part of the lore because both sides of the argument are so vague. I'm hoping that this will somehow be explored further at some point in the DA series.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Black City is supposed to be the one and only constant of the Fade.

Anyway going there seems like a terrible idea (from an in world perspective I mean), because the last time anyone  went there it went... very badly. It is literally a recipe of catastrophe.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 03 juin 2013 - 10:23 .

[Demx]

The Wolf Man wrote...

dgcatanisiri wrote...

According to Corypheus, the Golden City was already black when the magisters made their transgressions. And it is implied that he managed to survive his encounter with Hawke, so he could, potentially, be a force to face in the future (if Legacy wasn't played, then he could have been released by Janeka somehow).

If we go to Tevinter, we might actually get more on the subject - I can't imagine that we'd be there without spending some time on learning the history of the ancient Tevinter mages.

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Nah. Corypheus was having a temper tantrum and his ranting was ambiguous. The city was supposed to be Golden!!! he said, implying it could've been black when he and his buddies hopped the fence, orrrrr...as soon as they stepped down on the golden laminate flooring, some unknown force (them? The maker? Flemeth?) turned it black.

Or I wonder - sometimes - if the city is golden (or whatever color) but as soon as the magisters arrived they might've been struck blind in the midst of their corruption.

Perhaps they saw it golden at one time from a distance, but when they got there...Major bummers all around. But you know the real reason why it is black and the corruption happened is because of

[Chiramu]

Maybe if we get to play as a Tevinter Magister at one point. If the Magisters could actually claim the city back and revert it back to the Golden City? What could you possibly do in a city in the Fade though? Would it turn into a Matrix-like scenario where you live and breath in the Fade while your real body deteriorates in the real world? It's hard to imagine what story element could lead us to step into the Black City, no Andrastian would want to step foot in it, only someone who is atheist would step foot there. There has been no evidence of them writing our character to be so against the Maker as to step foot in the Holy city.

Modifié par Chiramu, 03 juin 2013 - 11:03 .

[Direwolf0294]

If we do see the Black City, I'm hoping it's different to what I've always imagined it to be, which is a city with architecture like all the other architecture found in the Fade, only black, I'm hoping if they do add it, they do something really surprising and interesting with it.

[rapscallioness]

I want to know more abt this golden/black city.

I wanna know the truth. Was it ever golden? Were they punked by dumat? If so, why?

Did a recent pt of dao. and in one bit w/ ser otto, the demon mocked him while he was praying. The demons says ,"there is no maker. there is no golden city. you delusional fool."

Ah, but you know how demons are. They always say that kinda stuff. I think dumat promised the magisters candy, lured them in and used them...to what end. Idk.