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[Plaintiff]

So, basically, you want Ents.

[Insaner Robot]

I don't think the elves could ever really take back the dales, not as it was anyway. Even if they could convince the humans currently living there leave, through either violent or peaceful means.

The reason for this I believe is because too little of ancient Elvhenan remains. Tevinter seemed to have done everything it could to wipe out their culture.

Roughly 500 years later they were among some of Andraste's most fervent supporters and rewarded with the Dales, where they attempted to recover their lost culture.

Although how they went about this recovery isn't yet made clear. It's accuracy could also be called into question as the masgisters are stated to have destroyed most of their knowledge, culture and art. And they had less that 200 years in the Dales to do that, compared to the more than 700 the Dalish as they are now have had and they don't appear to have saved that much. Though this is a tangent so I'll leave this for now.

Back on topic, When the Dales fell they lost most of what they had built again. Whilst they have attempted to save as much as they can, without an apparent written history or stored knowledge far more has been lost than saved. They don't seem to even have complete details of what they have recovered, as they appear unable to successfully construct any new tools or objects based upon ancient designs.

Then there's the problem that most of the elves that might want go to an elven nation follow Andraste, perhaps forced, perhaps freely. So they may not appreciate that when entering this nation, where they are supposed to be able to live free, they are then told what to believe.

A possible solution may be that instead attempting once again something that failed in the past, they allow all elves to choose their own beliefs. By incorporating the history and teachings of Andraste (note Andraste, not necessarily the chantry) into their stories and building a new culture based upon those and what they have saved from the old Dales and Elvhenan.

All this is ignoring the fact that the humans currently living in the Dales have just as much right to their homes as the Dalish do to want their homes back.

Elven occupancy of the Dales: 272 years

Human occupancy of the Dales: 720 years


If any or all of this seems like rambling or doesn't make sense I'll apologise now as I'm just finishing up a 24 hour revision day. Upon reading it makes sense (to my currently sleep deprived mind). So I'll just ask anyone to point out anything that seems random or nosensical and I'll either edit it or make another post to clear it up after I sleep.

[BouncyFrag]

Plaintiff wrote...

So, basically, you want Ents.

Don't be hasty.

[Lotion Soronarr]

BouncyFrag wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

So, basically, you want Ents.

Don't be hasty.

/thread

[LadyRaena13]

Ok I have a serious question!!!!

From what I understand of sylvan they are demonically possessed trees.(codex and dragon age wikia)
Does that mean Velanna was performing blood magic to make so many of them because from what I've gathered blood magic is pretty much the only way to summon and 'control' demons in the lore.

[Chanda]

Velanna in Dragon Age Inquisition?

[Fredward]

I don't think Velanna could animate an ENTIRE forest on her own. She animated a bunch of trees sure but it wasn't a FOREST. If all the Keepers are gathered in one place though...

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 04 juin 2013 - 10:07 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I'd love to see a strong eleven character who isn't bent on revenge, taking control of his or her people and starting a revolution for freedom and equal rights.

[LobselVith8]

In Exile wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Or autonomous mages who weren't defeated by the Andrastian Chantry or the Templar Order. That would be my ideal outcome: elves from all across Thedas coming together in the new elven capital while the independent mages forge a new path as free men and women. 

What do you mean, or autonomous mages? Even if we assume that the mages can carve out their own swath of land along with the elves creating a free kingdom in the Dales, you'll have broken up at least two major powers in Thedas (the White Chantry and Orlais), which leaves things ripe for the Qunari.

You almost make it sound like a Qunari victory is inevitable. I don't think the Qunari would automatically win against the independent mages.

As for an independent elven kingdom, I think it's possible, especially with the world distracted by so many different events going on. The Orlesians certainly thought the elves of the Dales wouldn't be much of a threat, and their perception of the matter was proven wrong when the fighting began, which is why it took all the Andrastian nations in an Exalted March to defeat the kingdom of the Dales.

In Exile wrote...

In terms of a future for either the mages or the Dalish, it's crucial to win a political as well as a military victory, or else the barbarians at the gate (so to speak) will overrun them all, now that they have the tome of Koslun.

I imagine the Qunari could pose a threat soon, given Sten and the Arishok making it clear that they will return to Thedas.

In Exile wrote...

edit: Also, do you mean the mages coming into the Dales? Because I'm sure that the human mages would not want to live in an elven state as second class citizens. 

I was thinking more along the lines of the free mages having their own nation, which is an expanded idea I had from when I thought Hawke might be able to become the leader of Kirkwall and turn the city-state into a mecca for mages. Mages and non-mages living together. Maybe Nevarra could be that kingdom, if the rumors about a power vaccum opening up there are true (for a mage protagonist, at least). This is getting a little off topic, though.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

LobselVith8 wrote...

You almost make it sound like a Qunari victory is inevitable. I don't think the Qunari would automatically win against the independent mages.

I think you are overestimating mages, the whole Tevinter Imperium is ruled by mages and they can't defeat the Qunari. According to Fenris if the Qunari where serious about invading Tevinter, there is very little that would stop them.

[Lulupab]

DinoSteve wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You almost make it sound like a Qunari victory is inevitable. I don't think the Qunari would automatically win against the independent mages.

I think you are overestimating mages, the whole Tevinter Imperium is ruled by mages and they can't defeat the Qunari. According to Fenris if the Qunari where serious about invading Tevinter, there is very little that would stop them.

Why are you speaking one sided? Its not like the Qunari are defeating the Tevinter either. They are fighting in a battle where both sides get casualities. The qunari have the upper hand in waters due to technology whereas Tevinter fight better on the gound due to supeme power of magic.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Rassler wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You almost make it sound like a Qunari victory is inevitable. I don't think the Qunari would automatically win against the independent mages.

I think you are overestimating mages, the whole Tevinter Imperium is ruled by mages and they can't defeat the Qunari. According to Fenris if the Qunari where serious about invading Tevinter, there is very little that would stop them.

Why are you speaking one sided? Its not like the Qunari are defeating the Tevinter either. They are fighting in a battle where both sides get casualities. The qunari have the upper hand in waters due to technology whereas Tevinter fight better on the gound due to supeme power of magic.

Yes but the Qunari aren't trying too, unlike Tevinter.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Why would elves be taking back the Dales? Not to mention they don't have the manpower to take it, let alone hold it. You think only Orlei would jump at them? Ferelden, Nevarra, Tevinter would attack them imminently as well. If anything, but to stole the lands from Orlei, and they wouldn't give a damn about the elves.

You must understand that 99.9% humans view elves as piece of crap, not worth to look at. So expecting them to tolerate an Elven country is just impossible.

[Plaintiff]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Why would elves be taking back the Dales? Not to mention they don't have the manpower to take it, let alone hold it. You think only Orlei would jump at them? Ferelden, Nevarra, Tevinter would attack them imminently as well. If anything, but to stole the lands from Orlei, and they wouldn't give a damn about the elves.

You must understand that 99.9% humans view elves as piece of crap, not worth to look at. So expecting them to tolerate an Elven country is just impossible.

If it appeared to the humans that the very trees themselves were rising up against them, there's no reason they would know that the elves had any involvement. They might flee the Dales and denounce them as cursed, and the Dalish would be free to move in.

[TK514]

I'm still of the opinion that nothing brings people together like a common enemy.

The Elves attempting to reclaim the Dales sounds like the perfect way to bring any Orlesian Civil War to an abrupt halt, with the more anti-Elf faction coming out the political victor when the dust settles.

[Plaintiff]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

My Awakening epilogue said Velanna died at Vigil's Keep.

None of the epilogues confirm her as dead. In the one where she appears to die, her body is never actually found.

[billy the squid]

Rassler wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You almost make it sound like a Qunari victory is inevitable. I don't think the Qunari would automatically win against the independent mages.

I think you are overestimating mages, the whole Tevinter Imperium is ruled by mages and they can't defeat the Qunari. According to Fenris if the Qunari where serious about invading Tevinter, there is very little that would stop them.

Why are you speaking one sided? Its not like the Qunari are defeating the Tevinter either. They are fighting in a battle where both sides get casualities. The qunari have the upper hand in waters due to technology whereas Tevinter fight better on the gound due to supeme power of magic.

Whoa, hahaha. Right, so Qunari cannon, a militarised society bred from birth for combat, better weapons, better training and armour. Are losing a war on the ground? 

The Tivinter Imperium lost Seheron in short order when the Qunari, decided to take it back, after it took the whole continent of Thedas pushed their first invasion back. Not to mention the current squalor in the Tevinter capital due to the refugees fleeing the war with the Qunari. 

If anything, Tevinter is currently losing the war with the Qunari and they know it.

Modifié par billy the squid, 04 juin 2013 - 01:49 .

[Asdrubael Vect]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

This would be a great idea if humans hadn't discovered fire.

let them try to burn hundreds of this guys without mages support:devil:

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 04 juin 2013 - 01:50 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Dark Korsar wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

This would be a great idea if humans hadn't discovered fire.

let them try to burn hundreds of this guys without mages support:devil:

Yes because we all know there are no accelerants in the DA universe.

[iOnlySignIn]

The Elf problem is already solved. They will die out within the next five hundred years. It's only a matter of how fast exactly.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 04 juin 2013 - 01:58 .

[Plaintiff]

Extinction is not a 'solution' to anything, by any stretch of the term.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

The Elf problem is already solved. They will die out within the next five hundred years. It's only a matter of how fast exactly.

Or they'll catch the last boat too Valinor.

[iOnlySignIn]

Plaintiff wrote...

Extinction is not a 'solution' to anything, by any stretch of the term.

One way to solve any problem is by eliminating it.

DinoSteve wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

The Elf problem is already solved. They will die out within the next five hundred years. It's only a matter of how fast exactly.

Or they'll catch the last boat to Valinor.

Is that like an euphemism for smallpox?

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 04 juin 2013 - 02:02 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Nope its where the elves go at the end of LoTRs.