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[Asdrubael Vect]

billy the squid wrote...

Rassler wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You almost make it sound like a Qunari victory is inevitable. I don't think the Qunari would automatically win against the independent mages.

I think you are overestimating mages, the whole Tevinter Imperium is ruled by mages and they can't defeat the Qunari. According to Fenris if the Qunari where serious about invading Tevinter, there is very little that would stop them.

Why are you speaking one sided? Its not like the Qunari are defeating the Tevinter either. They are fighting in a battle where both sides get casualities. The qunari have the upper hand in waters due to technology whereas Tevinter fight better on the gound due to supeme power of magic.

Whoa, hahaha. Right, so Qunari cannon, a militarised society bred from birth for combat, better weapons, better training and armour. Are losing a war on the ground? 

The Tivinter Imperium lost Seheron in short order when the Qunari, decided to take it back, after it took the whole continent of Thedas pushed their first invasion back. Not to mention the current squalor in the Tevinter capital due to the refugees fleeing the war with the Qunari. 

If anything, Tevinter is currently losing the war with the Qunari and they know it.

 are you joking

1)they have 1 Qunari "cannon"(actualy it is somekind of balista/catapult who throws bomb) on slow WOODEN Drednaut what can be easily destroed even by just  1 mage

2)Tevinter was a military society for thousand years who have much better smiths(especially they have dwarven and mages smiths and more impotant-Lyrium improvement with Blood Magic(Qunari not posses such knoledges) who can create much better weapons, armors

the main reason why Tevinter not wipe out Qunari from Thedasi is because of Blights  and Orlais

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Who builds only 1 cannon, I'd imagine they have plenty.

It is also worth noting, Tevinter hasn't seen a blight since the 4th one before the Qunari invaded, if the Qunari ever decide too invade Tevinter the mages won't last.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 04 juin 2013 - 02:18 .

[Lulupab]

billy the squid wrote...

Rassler wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You almost make it sound like a Qunari victory is inevitable. I don't think the Qunari would automatically win against the independent mages.

I think you are overestimating mages, the whole Tevinter Imperium is ruled by mages and they can't defeat the Qunari. According to Fenris if the Qunari where serious about invading Tevinter, there is very little that would stop them.

Why are you speaking one sided? Its not like the Qunari are defeating the Tevinter either. They are fighting in a battle where both sides get casualities. The qunari have the upper hand in waters due to technology whereas Tevinter fight better on the gound due to supeme power of magic.

Whoa, hahaha. Right, so Qunari cannon, a militarised society bred from birth for combat, better weapons, better training and armour. Are losing a war on the ground? 

The Tivinter Imperium lost Seheron in short order when the Qunari, decided to take it back, after it took the whole continent of Thedas pushed their first invasion back. Not to mention the current squalor in the Tevinter capital due to the refugees fleeing the war with the Qunari. 

If anything, Tevinter is currently losing the war with the Qunari and they know it.

The fact that Seheron is an island further strenghtens my argument that Qunari only have strong navy.

Also Tevinter mages are not just mages, they are also trained warriors who are most noted throughout Thedas, however, it is the use of elephant mounts that have been imported into Tevinter for centuries through the coastal colonies near the northwestern jungles makes Tevinter have strong armies. Minrathous the Tevinter capital is famously protected by a trio of gigantic war golems purchased from the dwarves known as the Juggernauts.

Tevinter mage-warrior also known as Arcane warrior. An art they learned from enslaving elves:

Modifié par Rassler, 04 juin 2013 - 02:20 .

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If they are so awesome why can't they take back Seheron.

[Asdrubael Vect]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

The Elf problem is already solved. They will die out within the next five hundred years. It's only a matter of how fast exactly.

 2000 years of different opressions and still nothing, elf are the second large population of Thedas so the dying dwarves would rather die than them, but dwarves  will not

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 04 juin 2013 - 02:22 .

[Lulupab]

DinoSteve wrote...

If they are so awesome why can't they take back Seheron.

because their ships sink before reaching the island. Tevinter has no canons.

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But can't mages teleport, they do if often enough in DA2.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Rassler "Tevinter mage-warrior also known as Arcane warrior. An art they learned from enslaving elves:"

no they are just mages-knights/warrior(battle mages) not Arcane Warriors(only some of dalish can posses such ancient knoledge)

they simply mages(blood mages) who was trained to fight with armor and weapons(Orlais Chantry not allow Circle mages to do this and have weapons with armors because Templars would became even more useless)

maybe Tevinter have some of Altus Magisters who possesed Arcane Warrior knoledge but they would be very and very rare

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 04 juin 2013 - 02:38 .

[Asdrubael Vect]

DinoSteve wrote...

If they are so awesome why can't they take back Seheron.

the answer is Orlais and that Seheron is not so valuable for Tevinter(only for some of Magisters as Danarius who have live there) to start a a real war to conquer it

and Qunari not really controll Seheron because they have rebel wars with Tevinters, Fog Warriors and Tal-Vasgots

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 04 juin 2013 - 02:55 .

[Thibax]

Who will save the puppies Hallas?
Who will take care of Sylvans and protect forests and animals?
Who will show the true power of Nature to the nation?

Say yes to Velanna!

I call all the sons and daughters of Nature.

Destroy the mages and templars.

Nature will triumph.

It's open the hunting season against mages and templars humans.

[billy the squid]

Dark Korsar wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Rassler wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You almost make it sound like a Qunari victory is inevitable. I don't think the Qunari would automatically win against the independent mages.

I think you are overestimating mages, the whole Tevinter Imperium is ruled by mages and they can't defeat the Qunari. According to Fenris if the Qunari where serious about invading Tevinter, there is very little that would stop them.

Why are you speaking one sided? Its not like the Qunari are defeating the Tevinter either. They are fighting in a battle where both sides get casualities. The qunari have the upper hand in waters due to technology whereas Tevinter fight better on the gound due to supeme power of magic.

Whoa, hahaha. Right, so Qunari cannon, a militarised society bred from birth for combat, better weapons, better training and armour. Are losing a war on the ground? 

The Tivinter Imperium lost Seheron in short order when the Qunari, decided to take it back, after it took the whole continent of Thedas pushed their first invasion back. Not to mention the current squalor in the Tevinter capital due to the refugees fleeing the war with the Qunari. 

If anything, Tevinter is currently losing the war with the Qunari and they know it.

 are you joking

1)they have 1 Qunari "cannon"(actualy it is somekind of balista/catapult who throws bomb) on slow WOODEN Drednaut what can be easily destroed even by just  1 mage

2)Tevinter was a military society for thousand years who have much better smiths(especially they have dwarven and mages smiths and more impotant-Lyrium improvement with Blood Magic(Qunari not posses such knoledges) who can create much better weapons, armors

the main reason why Tevinter not wipe out Qunari from Thedasi is because of Blights  and Orlais

Please, the Qunari equivalent of Dwarven lyrium based explosives is more effective.

Secondly, their society isn't militarised it has a strong military. There's a huge difference in being tranied and being born and bred for war, Like the Qunari of the Antamn. And the Dwarfs don't manufacture that for free. 

And the blights? You mean the one which crippled Tevinter Thousands of years agao and precipitated it's collapse. Orlais? What do they have to do with anything? They would love it if the Tevinter Imperium wiped the Qunari out. They're not going to stop any move by the Imperium. They launched an Exalted march along with the major powers of Thedas to push the Qunari back.

So the Tevinter Imperium has been losing ground to the Qun for no apparant reason then?

While the Tal-Vashoth od Seheron are a tiny fraction of the Qunari's number, they pose no threat to the Qunari. Especially as they never engage the Antamn, or they'd be wiped out.

[billy the squid]

Rassler wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Rassler wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You almost make it sound like a Qunari victory is inevitable. I don't think the Qunari would automatically win against the independent mages.

I think you are overestimating mages, the whole Tevinter Imperium is ruled by mages and they can't defeat the Qunari. According to Fenris if the Qunari where serious about invading Tevinter, there is very little that would stop them.

Why are you speaking one sided? Its not like the Qunari are defeating the Tevinter either. They are fighting in a battle where both sides get casualities. The qunari have the upper hand in waters due to technology whereas Tevinter fight better on the gound due to supeme power of magic.

Whoa, hahaha. Right, so Qunari cannon, a militarised society bred from birth for combat, better weapons, better training and armour. Are losing a war on the ground? 

The Tivinter Imperium lost Seheron in short order when the Qunari, decided to take it back, after it took the whole continent of Thedas pushed their first invasion back. Not to mention the current squalor in the Tevinter capital due to the refugees fleeing the war with the Qunari. 

If anything, Tevinter is currently losing the war with the Qunari and they know it.

The fact that Seheron is an island further strenghtens my argument that Qunari only have strong navy.

Also Tevinter mages are not just mages, they are also trained warriors who are most noted throughout Thedas, however, it is the use of elephant mounts that have been imported into Tevinter for centuries through the coastal colonies near the northwestern jungles makes Tevinter have strong armies. Minrathous the Tevinter capital is famously protected by a trio of gigantic war golems purchased from the dwarves known as the Juggernauts.

Tevinter mage-warrior also known as Arcane warrior. An art they learned from enslaving elves:

There's just that one tiny point. That it took an Exalted March from Orlais, the major powers of Thedas and the Tevinter Imperium to push the Qunari back the first time. But they only have a strong Navy? Haha

The states in Thedas won through sheer weight of numbers more than any military superiority or magic. The Qunari obviously aren't going to attack again, when it will result in the same. Rather it's continuing war with Tevinter, illustrates that they're move is to consolidate Seheron, before pushing further into Tevinter. Orlais already signed peace accords with the Qun, and seems happy to let the Tevinter Imperium and the Qun fight it out. 

Considering the capital is based on an island it doesn't bode will if the Qunari's Navy blockades it.

Modifié par billy the squid, 04 juin 2013 - 05:56 .

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Dark Korsar wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

If they are so awesome why can't they take back Seheron.

the answer is Orlais and that Seheron is not so valuable for Tevinter(only for some of Magisters as Danarius who have live there) to start a a real war to conquer it

and Qunari not really controll Seheron because they have rebel wars with Tevinters, Fog Warriors and Tal-Vasgots

Please Orlais would be dancing in the streets if the Qunari took out Tevinter.

[Lulupab]

DinoSteve wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

If they are so awesome why can't they take back Seheron.

the answer is Orlais and that Seheron is not so valuable for Tevinter(only for some of Magisters as Danarius who have live there) to start a a real war to conquer it

and Qunari not really controll Seheron because they have rebel wars with Tevinters, Fog Warriors and Tal-Vasgots

Please Orlais would be dancing in the streets if the Qunari took out Tevinter.

But where would the Qunari turn after Tevinter? Orlain prefers to have human enemies than "heathens" with horns.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Qunari are powerful enough to fight all the nations of humanity to various flavors of stalemate even over 150 years of fighting. The Imperium has been slowly crumbling for centuries and is encumbered by corruption and decay. Since the Imperium lost Seheron back to the Qunari, the momentum of the war has been clearly in their favor. Tevinter's days are numbered.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

The Qunari are powerful enough to fight all the nations of humanity to various flavors of stalemate even over 150 years of fighting. The Imperium has been slowly crumbling for centuries and is encumbered by corruption and decay. Since the Imperium lost Seheron back to the Qunari, the momentum of the war has been clearly in their favor. Tevinter's days are numbered.

1)we already see about how they are "powerfull":D

2)yes yes it corrupted and decay from foundation of Minrathous but stil no one can destroy and conquer Tevinter because at the end they always win with their magic:D

3)facepalm...do you even know what Seheron is and it valuable for Tevinter?  this is just damn jungle island with 2 known city's(Seheron city-who belongs to Qunari and Alam in the south who as we can understand belongs to Tevinter) and few forts(some of them as we see belongs to Qunari and some to Tevinters) 

the Qunari not controll this island who was "conquer" 85 years ago and have rebel wars with Seheron Tevinters, Fog Wariors and Tal-Vasgots...and as we see Tevinter do not  really care about this island and protect their main territories and Qunari cant even land on Tevinter territories:D

4)"Tevinter's days are numbered":D  not earlier than the fall of rest of Thedas kingdoms

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 04 juin 2013 - 08:20 .

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Dark Korsar wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

The Qunari are powerful enough to fight all the nations of humanity to various flavors of stalemate even over 150 years of fighting. The Imperium has been slowly crumbling for centuries and is encumbered by corruption and decay. Since the Imperium lost Seheron back to the Qunari, the momentum of the war has been clearly in their favor. Tevinter's days are numbered.

1)we already see about how they are "powerfull":D

2)yes yes it corrupted and decay from foundation of Minrathous but stil no one can destroy and conquer Tevinter because at the end they always win

3)facepalm...do you even know what Seheron is and it valuable for Tevinter?  this is just damn jungle island with 2 known city's(Seheron city-who belongs to Qunari and Alam in the south who as we can understand belongs to Tevinter) and few forts(some of them as we see belongs to Qunari and some to Tevinters) 

the Qunari not controll this island and have rebel wars with Seheron Tevinters, Fog Wariors and Tal-Vasgots...and as we see Tevinter do not  really care about this island and protect their main territories

4)"Tevinter's days are numbered":D  not earlier than the fall of rest of Thedas kingdoms

Do you honestly think a state as corrupt and selfish as Tevinter could raise an army strong enough to repell the Qunari, a very small contingent of Qunari took Kirkwall in a day, had Hawke not been there everyone would have submitted to the Qun and the Qunari only left because Hawke beat the Arishock, had they been a proper invasion and occupation force, Hawke would never of had a chance.
Plus the only army Tevinter could raise is one of slaves or people that is being made to fight, where the Qunari believe in what they are doing and belief is a powerful motivator, it will often hold people in place where an army made up of slaves will break and run.

Rassler wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

If they are so awesome why can't they take back Seheron.

the answer is Orlais and that Seheron is not so valuable for Tevinter(only for some of Magisters as Danarius who have live there) to start a a real war to conquer it

and Qunari not really controll Seheron because they have rebel wars with Tevinters, Fog Warriors and Tal-Vasgots

Please Orlais would be dancing in the streets if the Qunari took out Tevinter.

But where would the Qunari turn after Tevinter? Orlain prefers to have human enemies than "heathens" with horns.

It seems to me the fall of Tevinter would work out well for Orlais,

1) It would deal with what must be a huge pain in the ass for the Chantry.

2) The loss of Tevinter and the threat of the Qunari to Thedas would unit the people of Thedas in a way not seen since the Exalted March of Andraste.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 04 juin 2013 - 08:23 .

[Asdrubael Vect]

DinoSteve wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

The Qunari are powerful enough to fight all the nations of humanity to various flavors of stalemate even over 150 years of fighting. The Imperium has been slowly crumbling for centuries and is encumbered by corruption and decay. Since the Imperium lost Seheron back to the Qunari, the momentum of the war has been clearly in their favor. Tevinter's days are numbered.

1)we already see about how they are "powerfull":D

2)yes yes it corrupted and decay from foundation of Minrathous but stil no one can destroy and conquer Tevinter because at the end they always win

3)facepalm...do you even know what Seheron is and it valuable for Tevinter?  this is just damn jungle island with 2 known city's(Seheron city-who belongs to Qunari and Alam in the south who as we can understand belongs to Tevinter) and few forts(some of them as we see belongs to Qunari and some to Tevinters) 

the Qunari not controll this island and have rebel wars with Seheron Tevinters, Fog Wariors and Tal-Vasgots...and as we see Tevinter do not  really care about this island and protect their main territories

4)"Tevinter's days are numbered":D  not earlier than the fall of rest of Thedas kingdoms

Do you honestly think a state as corrupt and selfish as Tevinter could raise an army strong enough to repell the Qunari, a very small contingent of Qunari took Kirkwall in a day, had Hawke not been there everyone would have submitted to the Qun and the Qunari only left because Hawke beat the Arishock, had they been a proper invasion and occupation force, Hawke would never of had a chance.
Plus the only army Tevinter could raise is one of slaves or people that is being made to fight, where the Qunari believe in what they are doing and belief is a powerful motivator, it will often hold people in place where an army made up of slaves will break and run.

1)no matter how corrupted and selfish Tevinters can be they already have a very good and universal army who can deal with anyone in Thedas and all kingdoms afraid of the Tevinter powers

2)few hundreds of Qunari what was left after  storm was allowed to living in the city(if their ships was try to attack city they would hardly pass through the big chains and their forces will hardly would passed  the city's defense) and attack by surprise after some years

and all what they do is quicly conquer city nobles with Vicont in castle for a few hours before they were mostly crushed by Kirkwall forces and Hawke with Templars and Orsino pass throught qunari in castle to deal with Arishock(but you can kill all Qunari what was there without any duel and giving tome of Koslun)

3)as we see no one would really wanted to live by Qun even many of Kossinds become Tal-Vasgots to fight against Qun,

so even army what was created from only Tevinters non-mages slaves(but i am not think that they can have such because slaves in 90% only work as servants and still quite expensive to be meatbags) will fight for their lives to not live in such ammoral body and mind slavery as Qun ...or if that is not enough Magisters can always use blood magic, mind controll or summon demons

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 04 juin 2013 - 09:17 .

[UnderlAlDyingSun]

Look man, the forests would be torched before those trees, or whatever, could utter a single syllable.

Furthermore, how much willpower do you think velanna has lol? She wouldn't be able to summon an entire forest.

The way to solve the issue of dales is for Velanna to get her *** back in the kitchen. Well, it'd solve some of my pc's prob's atleast

[Asdrubael Vect]

iiReaperZz wrote...

Look man, the forests would be torched before those trees, or whatever, could utter a single syllable.

Furthermore, how much willpower do you think velanna has lol? She wouldn't be able to summon an entire forest.

The way to solve the issue of dales is for Velanna to get her *** back in the kitchen. Well, it'd solve some of my pc's prob's atleast

1)those trees can't and actually they  all made from those type of wood what is stronger than steel

2)if she can summon many trees so she can summon much more of them with some lyrium or blood magic rituals or with both....but who said that Velanna would be the one

3)nothing will change because Velanna was just the one of all Dalish mages and Velanna was just young Keeper

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 04 juin 2013 - 09:36 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Imperium used to rule almost all of Thedas. Their power and their borders have been diminishing slowly pretty much since the First Blight. It's not a trend that is reversing. They are a nation in decline and have been for centuries.

The Qunari conquered most of Tevinter in the Qunari War and ruled it for 50 years. The Tevinter armies and blood magic didn't stop the Qunari back then, and at the time the Qunari were also ruling Antiva, Rivain and invading the Free Marches. The combined forces of all human nations strained themselves to breaking point just to push them back to Rivain. The Qunari military is much stronger than Tevinter or any other single nation in Thedas.

Qunari ideology is more prevalent than you think. It would have a special appeal to Tevinter's enormous amount of downtrodden and elves in the Imperium are said to be especially likely to convert to the Qun. It's also very popular in Rivain. Tal'vashoth are a minority. The Qun is not unstable in places where the Qunari have full control.

As Fenris said "they once fought all the nations of Thedas to a standstill. When the Qunari wish true war, we will know."

Plus, from an out of universe perspective the Qunari have been set up as up and coming antagonists for the future and Minrathous, a city famous for never falling, is loosely inspired by Constantinople. The Fall of Constantinople is a major event from history and the Dragon Age analogue seems likely hinted at because of all the parallels in the game's setting.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 04 juin 2013 - 09:56 .

[ObserverStatus]

The fak are you guys talking about? Velanna can't do any of that crap, I killed her.

[Aolbain]

So she would take her gigantic army of ents, and do what? Attack a heavily populated area? Kill everyone living there? Drive them out of there homes? Sounds like Velanna alright.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

The Imperium used to rule almost all of Thedas. Their power and their borders have been diminishing slowly pretty much since the First Blight. It's not a trend that is reversing. They are a nation in decline and have been for centuries.

The Qunari conquered most of Tevinter in the Qunari War and ruled it for 50 years. The Tevinter armies and blood magic didn't stop the Qunari back then, and at the time the Qunari were also ruling Antiva, Rivain and invading the Free Marches. The combined forces of all human nations strained themselves to breaking point just to push them back to Rivain. The Qunari military is much stronger than Tevinter or any other single nation in Thedas.

Qunari ideology is more prevalent than you think. It would have a special appeal to Tevinter's enormous amount of downtrodden and elves in the Imperium are said to be especially likely to convert to the Qun. It's also very popular in Rivain. Tal'vashoth are a minority. The Qun is not unstable in places where the Qunari have full control.

As Fenris said "they once fought all the nations of Thedas to a standstill. When the Qunari wish true war, we will know."

Plus, from an out of universe perspective the Qunari have been set up as up and coming antagonists for the future and Minrathous, a city famous for never falling, is loosely inspired by Constantinople. The Fall of Constantinople is a major event from history and the Dragon Age analogue seems likely hinted at because of all the parallels in the game's setting.

1)and you still forget about Exalted Marshes, Blight,  conflicts in Antiva and Nevarra and what NO ONE know about Qunari  and their blitskrieg attack from unprotected north(after this Tevinter build defense systems)...and they still not conquer and rule Tevinter lands for all these years and without Tevinter other Сhantry countries who help only to Rivain and Free Marshes and after signed a peace treaty when Tevinter have fight with the main forces would be living by Qun...

the Qunari military is a peace of **** with some big slow wooden ships(full of Gaatlok who can be easily blown up or become wet) and unprotected from magic half naked warriors with common iron or steel weapons, all what they have is this meatbags warriors who in most cases have only one tactic...run and attack and not lose/break your weapon or you will be executed...still many of this soldiers run from Qun and became Tal-Vasgots

2)Tevinter is not some poor northen Rivain villiges who have freely walking Qunari forces who convert peoples who not know anything about Qunari and about their with their childrens future life in Qun....Tevinter have endless war against Qun and most of Tevinters population would hate Qun more than ever from the fact that Qun are the source of most of their troubles

Qunari have full controll only on Par Vollen and some controll on Seheron and very small northen part of Rivain

Fenris-ex servant who cant read, have errased memory and actually live only in his lover and master Danarius manor and never actually was in Tevinter(according to WOT) exept it part on Seheron, and all info what he have about Qunari is from rebels Fog Warriors(native tribes of Seheron) who fights with Qun

3)Constantinople not have golems, lyrium and many blood mages and if Mitranous was inspired by Constantinople in some cases(but it also Luskaan from Forgotten Realms) is not mean that we would have any historical parralel:D

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 04 juin 2013 - 11:09 .

[LobselVith8]

DinoSteve wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You almost make it sound like a Qunari victory is inevitable. I don't think the Qunari would automatically win against the independent mages.

I think you are overestimating mages, the whole Tevinter Imperium is ruled by mages and they can't defeat the Qunari. According to Fenris if the Qunari where serious about invading Tevinter, there is very little that would stop them. 

That's not an opinion I share. I recall the historical note about the New Exalted Marches, for example:

"The greatest advantage of the Chantry-led forces was the Circle of Magi. For all their technology, the Qunari appeared to harbor great hatred for magic. Faced with cannons, the Chantry responded with lightning and balls of fire." - Par Vollen: The Occupied North

That historical account suggests that a Qunari victory isn't inevitable. And Fenris' opinion on the matter shouldn't be confused for fact.