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[LobselVith8]

TK514 wrote...

The point is, even if the Templars lose every Lyrium powered soldier to death or withdrawal, they can still replenish their forces using common men-at-arms, while Mages can't.  No matter what, a non-magical person will never be a Mage. 

If the templars are going through withdrawal without lyrium, how effective are they going to be in combating the mages, or teaching others to deal with mages? We've seen how mentally unhinged templars are when they lose their access to lyrium.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I love how this thread has two conversations going on.

[TK514]

LobselVith8 wrote...

TK514 wrote...

The point is, even if the Templars lose every Lyrium powered soldier to death or withdrawal, they can still replenish their forces using common men-at-arms, while Mages can't.  No matter what, a non-magical person will never be a Mage. 

If the templars are going through withdrawal without lyrium, how effective are they going to be in combating the mages, or teaching others to deal with mages? We've seen how mentally unhinged templars are when they lose their access to lyrium.

They're not going to all go south at once.  If they start seeing a disruption in their lyrium supply, they'll start rationing and, ultimately, prioritizing.  And, again, while special training is nice, it is not a requirement.  Mages still die if you just stick them through the chest with a sword, like anyone else.  It's harder to get to them, maybe, without additional training, but not impossible, especially if you have the weight of numbers.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

TK514 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

TK514 wrote...

The point is, even if the Templars lose every Lyrium powered soldier to death or withdrawal, they can still replenish their forces using common men-at-arms, while Mages can't.  No matter what, a non-magical person will never be a Mage. 

If the templars are going through withdrawal without lyrium, how effective are they going to be in combating the mages, or teaching others to deal with mages? We've seen how mentally unhinged templars are when they lose their access to lyrium.

They're not going to all go south at once.  If they start seeing a disruption in their lyrium supply, they'll start rationing and, ultimately, prioritizing.  And, again, while special training is nice, it is not a requirement.  Mages still die if you just stick them through the chest with a sword, like anyone else.  It's harder to get to them, maybe, without additional training, but not impossible, especially if you have the weight of numbers.

I would say a mage is even easier to kill in close combat than a normal warrior/soldier.

[Asdrubael Vect]

TK514 wrote...

Mages still die if you just stick them through the chest with a sword, like anyone else.  It's harder to get to them, maybe, without additional training, but not impossible, especially if you have the weight of numbers.

wrong

if mage is arcane warrior, shapeshifter, spirit healer, battlemage or if he is know healing spells or how to use blood magic...especially if mage have some lyrium or life stones

stabbing trained mages who not wearing armor(or who fro some cases not use armor/protection spells) with sword or arrows in most cases would NEVER WORK if you not skilled warrior/assasin, not be VERY quick and the most important thing not cut mage head....and this requires to attack from ambush to have a chance

this is one the main reason why Templars go in groups(at least 5 Templars to stop 1 untrained circle aprentice) and need to block mages mana to have more chances to stop or kill them, but this still would not save Templar if mage is more trained, powerfull or use blood magic or at the end become demon

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 07 juin 2013 - 04:40 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

What about all the mages warrior Hawke and co slay, they die pretty easy.

[LobselVith8]

TK514 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

If the templars are going through withdrawal without lyrium, how effective are they going to be in combating the mages, or teaching others to deal with mages? We've seen how mentally unhinged templars are when they lose their access to lyrium.

They're not going to all go south at once.  If they start seeing a disruption in their lyrium supply, they'll start rationing and, ultimately, prioritizing.  And, again, while special training is nice, it is not a requirement.  Mages still die if you just stick them through the chest with a sword, like anyone else.  It's harder to get to them, maybe, without additional training, but not impossible, especially if you have the weight of numbers. 

The templars are addicted to lyrium. It's why Alistair condemns the Chantry of Andraste for giving lyrium to the templars when it's highly addictive. So how are people who are heavily addicted to lyrium going to ration it among many people, some of whom aren't going to have the resolve that others may have?

And templars die, too, if you kill them. Perhaps with long ranged spells. So I'm not certain what your point is, aside from mages being as mortal as almost everyone else in Thedas.

[BlazingSpeed]

Angrywolves wrote...

For the elves to get back the Dales Orlais would have to agree as would the Chantry. The Dalish lack the military strength to take it by force.

[SirGladiator]

I liked Velanna, she was a lot like an Elf version of Morrigan. She was a tad extreme, the ability to help her see reason would be nice, but especially if you're playing as a 'bad' character she would be absolutely perfect, and even for good characters, if you could show her that humans are both good and bad, same as elves or anybody else, that would be cool too. I would definitely like to see her again at some point, whether as a teammate or whatever.

[TK514]

LobselVith8 wrote...

TK514 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

If the templars are going through withdrawal without lyrium, how effective are they going to be in combating the mages, or teaching others to deal with mages? We've seen how mentally unhinged templars are when they lose their access to lyrium.

They're not going to all go south at once.  If they start seeing a disruption in their lyrium supply, they'll start rationing and, ultimately, prioritizing.  And, again, while special training is nice, it is not a requirement.  Mages still die if you just stick them through the chest with a sword, like anyone else.  It's harder to get to them, maybe, without additional training, but not impossible, especially if you have the weight of numbers. 

The templars are addicted to lyrium. It's why Alistair condemns the Chantry of Andraste for giving lyrium to the templars when it's highly addictive. So how are people who are heavily addicted to lyrium going to ration it among many people, some of whom aren't going to have the resolve that others may have?

And templars die, too, if you kill them. Perhaps with long ranged spells. So I'm not certain what your point is, aside from mages being as mortal as almost everyone else in Thedas.

The point is that a Templar can be replaced with a common man-at-arms, and a Mage can't, or, to put in another way, every Mage that dies is practically irreplaceable while Templars are not.

Modifié par TK514, 08 juin 2013 - 06:57 .

[LobselVith8]

Angrywolves wrote...

For the elves to get back the Dales Orlais would have to agree as would the Chantry. The Dalish lack the military strength to take it by force.

With Orlais dealing with a civil war and the rest of Thedas facing the Mage-Templar War, the Dalish clans could hypothetically come together to depose the Orlesian Empire from the kingdom of the Dales, since they wouldn't be able to commit their full strength with Celene and Gaspard focusing on one another.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

That still doesn't mean the Dalish have the collective might to both take and hold the Dales on a permanent basis. And that's even assuming they could come together to do it, which is unlikely.

[Lulupab]

If by any chance city elves of Orlais join the fray, Orlais will stand no chance at all by itself and must seek outside help. As far as I know Orlais has highest amount of elves in its alienages than all other alienages through Thedas combined.

[LobselVith8]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

That still doesn't mean the Dalish have the collective might to both take and hold the Dales on a permanent basis.

Which is why this is a hypothetical discussion, since we're not in a position to know with any certainty.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

And that's even assuming they could come together to do it, which is unlikely.

I think the goal of coming together to reclaim their kingdom could unite the Dalish, in the same way that several societies came together against the Fifth Blight with the intervention of a persuasive individual.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I think the goal of coming together to reclaim their kingdom could unite the Dalish, in the same way that several societies came together against the Fifth Blight with the intervention of a persuasive individual.

But the Dalish are spread out across Thedas much further than the armies in Ferelden that the Hero of Ferelden united. It's also a much more complicated issue than standing against the Blight.

Waging a war to reake the Dales is an enormous and dangerous commitment that is acompanied by many difficult questions.

Do the clans even want to settle down again?
Do the clans need to take back the Dales specifically? And is it wise to do it now with the world in chaos?
Do the clans think they can win against Orlais without suffering catastrophic losses?
Is it morally right to cleanse the inhabitants already living there?
Even if they win how do they deal with the challenges of governence and the threat of humans afterward?

Theres so many important questions I have a hard time seeing all the clans having a unified perspective on enough of them to go to war, especailly if they could be driven to the brink of extinction if they fail.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 09 juin 2013 - 01:40 .

[Angrywolves]

Well said by jedi master. The Dales would have to be given back..

[DPSSOC]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Do the clans even want to settle down again?
Do the clans need to take back the Dales specifically? And is it wise to do it now with the world in chaos?
Do the clans think they can win against Orlais without suffering catastrophic losses?
Is it morally right to cleanse the inhabitants already living there?
Even if they win how do they deal with the challenges of governence and the threat of humans afterward?

Allow me to provide the Dalish responses to these questions.

1) Yes because History
2) Yes because History and yes because immediate gain
3) Yes because arrogance
4) Yes because Shemlen
5) Isolation

The Dalish have not demonstrated themselves to value foresight; all somebody has to do is suggest a chance to reclaim past glory and I'm sure the rest will follow.

[LobselVith8]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I think the goal of coming together to reclaim their kingdom could unite the Dalish, in the same way that several societies came together against the Fifth Blight with the intervention of a persuasive individual.

But the Dalish are spread out across Thedas much further than the armies in Ferelden that the Hero of Ferelden united. It's also a much more complicated issue than standing against the Blight.

The Dalish clans are gathering for Arlathvhen in Halamshiral. It's possible it could be taking place at the same time as the events in Inquisition.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Waging a war to reake the Dales is an enormous and dangerous commitment that is acompanied by many difficult questions.

Do the clans even want to settle down again?

I'm sure many clans among the People want their own kingdom again. Their goal is to have their own land, restore their culture, be free to worship the Creators without the templars or the members of the Andrastian Chantry trying to murder them in cold blood, and teach the Alienage elves who are willing to learn about their lost culture and history.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Do the clans need to take back the Dales specifically? And is it wise to do it now with the world in chaos?

If there is an elven rebellion in the Dales with that precise goal (to liberate the Dales from the Orlesian Empire), it could be an opportunity the People might not want to pass up.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Do the clans think they can win against Orlais without suffering catastrophic losses?

There are always losses in war. I doubt anyone thinks that no one will die in a war against 

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Is it morally right to cleanse the inhabitants already living there?

Is it morally right for the elves to reclaim their homeland from the empire that invaded them, and possibly relocate the humans out of their lands (which is pretty much what the Dalish Boon is when the ruler gives the Hinterlands to the Dalish)? I suppose history will judge the People on that issue.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Even if they win how do they deal with the challenges of governence and the threat of humans afterward?

The same way their ancestors did when the former slaves who served under Shartan gained their freedom and their own land.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Theres so many important questions I have a hard time seeing all the clans having a unified perspective on enough of them to go to war, especailly if they could be driven to the brink of extinction if they fail. 

It's a once in a lifetime opportunity with the Mage-Templar War keeping the rest of the world focused elsewhere, and the Orlesian Empire dealing with a civil war between two political rivals fighting for the throne. I'm sure some (if not many) will seize the opportunity to have their own kingdom again.

[TK514]

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Dalish clans are gathering for Arlathvhen in Halamshiral. It's possible it could be taking place at the same time as the events in Inquisition.

Do we know when the last one was?  I'm honestly just curious.  The Dalish in DA2 don't mention it that I recall, and given that they're supposed to take place every 10 years or so, I wonder if they missed one.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Do the clans think they can win against Orlais without suffering catastrophic losses?

LobselVith8 wrote...
There are always losses in war. I doubt anyone thinks that no one will die in a war against

Was part of your reply cut off?  This doesn't actually answer the question.  He didn't ask if they thought they could win without losses.  He asked if they thought they could win without catastrophic losses.  Meaningful difference.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Is it morally right to cleanse the inhabitants already living there?

LobselVith8 wrote...
Is it morally right for the elves to reclaim their homeland from the empire that invaded them, and possibly relocate the humans out of their lands (which is pretty much what the Dalish Boon is when the ruler gives the Hinterlands to the Dalish)? I suppose history will judge the People on that issue.

Shouldn't the People judge themselves on it, first?  I doubt they are united on the subject.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Even if they win how do they deal with the challenges of governence and the threat of humans afterward?

LobselVith8 wrote...
The same way their ancestors did when the former slaves who served under Shartan gained their freedom and their own land.

The response to new neighbors who were gifted land in gratitude for their part in an empire shattering war would be very different than the response to opportunistic armed invaders who stole land and represent a clear and present threat to the current indigenous populace.  Particularly since any goodwill the Elves once had has long since eroded away, both through the teachings of the Chantry and the Elves own actions to preserve their insular culture.

LobselVith8 wrote...
It's a once in a lifetime opportunity with the Mage-Templar War keeping the rest of the world focused elsewhere, and the Orlesian Empire dealing with a civil war between two political rivals fighting for the throne. I'm sure some (if not many) will seize the opportunity to have their own kingdom again.

The Orlesian Civil War I see as an opportunity, but I'm increasingly curious why the Mage/Templar conflict would be overly disruptive to the nations of Thedas ability to deal with a Dalish uprising.  I see nothing but claims that the Chantry is staying out of the Templar/Mage squabble since they both voted to take their toys and go home, so there's no Exalted March that would tie up the militaries of Thedas.  The two forces, in and of themselves, don't represent a threat to any individual nation, particularly if they're still spread out all over the continent.  If the Elves made themselves a significant enough threat that the other nations had to take note, there's nothing really stopping them from taking action.  Of the flip side, the motive for interfering, at least immediately, is shaky.

Orlais reason for wanting them out is obvious, and I still contend that attacking the Dales would be the best way to bring a quick and profoundly anti-Dalish end to the Civil War.  No matter what their political differences, both sides are still Orlesian and they would take a dim view of the Elves stealing their land.

I can see the Anderfels assisting against the Dalish, because they're the most devoutly Andrastrian country on the planet, and the Healthen Elves stealing the land of good Andrastrian humans would not be a heresy they could easily let pass.

I can see the Nevarrans staying out of it, because they'd enjoy seeing the Orlesians squirm.  The Rivaini are too far away for it to matter, and the Tevinter have their own 8ft tall religious problems.  The Marches could go either way.  They're simply too fractured, and we know too little about the individual cities, to say how each would respond.  And if Kirkwall is any indication, they don't seem to have standing militaries that allow them to project force beyond their borders.

Ferelden is a bit of a wildcard.  Under Maric/Loghain it'd be an easy call, but relations between Ferelden and Orlais have mellowed since then, particularly at the rulership level.  I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Ferelden were offering at least covert assistance to Celene during the Civil War.  Ferelden is also not in a position to have it's only land trading routes with the rest of the continent cut off by a nation hostile to humans.  And while it is possible (though not universal) that the elves were granted a Boon, indicating a least a mild tolerance at the royal level for elves, the people of Ferelden demonstrated their true feelings on the matter shortly afterwards.  That indicates that, even without government support you'd likely see some Ferelden opposition to the Dalish.

Then there are the Dalesmen already living there.  I somehow doubt they're just going to sit quietly by while elves attempt to conquer their home.

So while I doubt there would be a Thedas-wide taskforce set up against the Dalish (unless the Chantry calls an Exalted March, at which point who knows what would happen), local resistance would likely be moderate at least.

Of course, we haven't really established if the Dalish have the effective military force to pose a credible threat capable of not only taking territory, but holding and fortifying it against retaliation.

Should be interesting to see, if it even comes up.

[LobselVith8]

Angrywolves wrote...

Well said by jedi master. The Dales would have to be given back..

I respectfully disagree. I think the Dalish could wrest back control of the Dales from the Orlesian Empire. History has shown that empires and large militaries have been defied by smaller armies and militias. It's not as though that such a feat would be unprecedented by our own standards.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I'm sure many clans among the People want their own kingdom again. Their goal is to have their own land, restore their culture, be free to worship the Creators without the templars or the members of the Andrastian Chantry trying to murder them in cold blood, and teach the Alienage elves who are willing to learn about their lost culture and history.
 

Many of them will, some of them won't. The narrator of the Dalish Codex Entry in Origins is content with the wandering life they have. Others might be put off by the costs or the risks needed.

LobselVith8 wrote...

If there is an elven rebellion in the Dales with that precise goal (to liberate the Dales from the Orlesian Empire), it could be an opportunity the People might not want to pass up.

I'm sure many would see it this way. But others could see it the too dangerous. And that with the world tearing itself apart the People need stability. Or perhaps a peaceful refuge somewhere, like in Ferelden or maybe somewhere away from the humans. In my headcanon, that's certainly what my Dalish Warden would be pressing for in Ferelden.

LobselVith8 wrote...

There are always losses in war. I doubt anyone thinks that no one will die in a war against 

But the Dalish are few in comparison to the humans and they take their entire populations with them when they travel. The human nations and armies are capable of sustaining losses the dalish simply aren't.

LobselVith8 wrote...
Is it morally right for the elves to reclaim their homeland from the empire that invaded them, and possibly relocate the humans out of their lands (which is pretty much what the Dalish Boon is when the ruler gives the Hinterlands to the Dalish)? I suppose history will judge the People on that issue.

Well we don't know what happened in Ferelden with the Dalish boon but I figured Allistar or Anora granted the Hinterlands to the elves specifically because it had little to no population there already living. Regardless, we'll have to wait to find out I guess.

But the orlesians aren't going to leave the lands of their ancestors without a fight. I imagine (or at least I would hope) there are many of them would beleive that mass deportations of helpless men, women and children from their homes to regain land from 600 years ago would be dishonorable to say the least.

LobselVith8 wrote...

The same way their ancestors did when the former slaves who served under Shartan gained their freedom and their own land.
 

They probably don't want to do that. It ended with the destruction of the Dales. Plus they have more challenges than their ancestors. How do they deal with large population of alienage elves that will have a different culture and different religion? How do they prevent the human kingdoms from banding together to destroy once again? Especially since they will have taken their land by force this time? Ethnic cleansing of South-East Orlais would probably do much more to galvanize anti-elven sentiment than probably made up stories of human sacrifice in one village.

LobselVith8 wrote...

It's a once in a lifetime opportunity with the Mage-Templar War keeping the rest of the world focused elsewhere, and the Orlesian Empire dealing with a civil war between two political rivals fighting for the throne. I'm sure some (if not many) will seize the opportunity to have their own kingdom again.

Maybe it is a once in a lifetime opportunity but it could also be a trap that costs the dalish drearly in the long run. The world is unpredictable right now, for all they know attacking Orlais might even temporarily unify the factions of the Orlesian Civil War to protect the territorial integrety of the country they are fighting to rule. Even if Celene and Gaspard don't join forces to destroy them, they'd still be making enemies of them both and they have precious few friends. Ferelden would have cause to want Celene to win the war and is also having problems with thier local  dalish.

If they suffer many losses they could doom their people. They could be destroyed if they lose or if they win a pyrrhic victory, which itself strikes me as unlikley.

But the real point of what I was saying here is not that the Dalish won't be able to answer these questions. I'm sure they could. It's that they won't all have the same answers. The clans are diverse enough that I think many would have different perspectives on what is best for the future of their people. A costly and dangerous war against Orlais would need a unified front to work.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 09 juin 2013 - 10:04 .

[LobselVith8]

[quote]TK514 wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

The Dalish clans are gathering for Arlathvhen in Halamshiral. It's possible it could be taking place at the same time as the events in Inquisition.[/quote]

Do we know when the last one was?  I'm honestly just curious.  The Dalish in DA2 don't mention it that I recall, and given that they're supposed to take place every 10 years or so, I wonder if they missed one. [/quote]

It's mentioned in Dragon Age II, but an exact date for the Arlathvhen isn't actually given. It's why I think it might be a possibility, especially with the implications of an elven rebellion in the Dales (from Asunder and the new Dragon Age novel coming out).

[quote]TK514 wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

There are always losses in war. I doubt anyone thinks that no one will die in a war against[/quote]

Was part of your reply cut off?  This doesn't actually answer the question.  He didn't ask if they thought they could win without losses.  He asked if they thought they could win without catastrophic losses.  Meaningful difference. [/quote]

Everything in this thread is speculation. We don't sincerely know that there will or won't be catastrophic losses if the Dalish try to wrestle control back of the Dales, because there's a great deal of information we sincerely don't know about how the Orlesians have controlled the kingdom since they took it from the elves. With the Orlesian civil war going on, as well as the Mage-Templar War, those are other factors to consider as well for the kind of forces that the elves will actually face in the former elven kingdom.

[quote]TK514 wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

Is it morally right for the elves to reclaim their homeland from the empire that invaded them, and possibly relocate the humans out of their lands (which is pretty much what the Dalish Boon is when the ruler gives the Hinterlands to the Dalish)? I suppose history will judge the People on that issue.[/quote]

Shouldn't the People judge themselves on it, first?  I doubt they are united on the subject. [/quote]

I imagine, if it's possible for the Dalish to make the attempt, they will discuss the matter first. I imagine the elves who are possibly rebelling in the Dales could be another factor, although we know very little about them at this point in time.

[quote]TK514 wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

The same way their ancestors did when the former slaves who served under Shartan gained their freedom and their own land.[/quote]

The response to new neighbors who were gifted land in gratitude for their part in an empire shattering war would be very different than the response to opportunistic armed invaders who stole land and represent a clear and present threat to the current indigenous populace.  Particularly since any goodwill the Elves once had has long since eroded away, both through the teachings of the Chantry and the Elves own actions to preserve their insular culture. [/quote]

I thought the discussion was more on how the Dalish will govern the nation once they regain control of their kingdom from the Orlesians. As for what the issues you have brought up, I suppose that depends on who the new neighbors are, since Orlais is currently in the midst of a civil war, and we don't know what the fallout will be from the Mage-Templar War.

[quote]TK514 wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

It's a once in a lifetime opportunity with the Mage-Templar War keeping the rest of the world focused elsewhere, and the Orlesian Empire dealing with a civil war between two political rivals fighting for the throne. I'm sure some (if not many) will seize the opportunity to have their own kingdom again. [/quote]

The Orlesian Civil War I see as an opportunity, but I'm increasingly curious why the Mage/Templar conflict would be overly disruptive to the nations of Thedas ability to deal with a Dalish uprising.  I see nothing but claims that the Chantry is staying out of the Templar/Mage squabble since they both voted to take their toys and go home, so there's no Exalted March that would tie up the militaries of Thedas.  The two forces, in and of themselves, don't represent a threat to any individual nation, particularly if they're still spread out all over the continent.  If the Elves made themselves a significant enough threat that the other nations had to take note, there's nothing really stopping them from taking action.  Of the flip side, the motive for interfering, at least immediately, is shaky. [/quote]

I think that the nations might focus on their own interests, especially if the rumors about the mages and templars trying to seize control of certain areas turns out to be true. Regardless, I doubt they would send their armies away while two warring elements are fighting on their territory, even if the suspicion of the templars or the mages taking control of their land was all they had to go on.

[quote]TK514 wrote...

Orlais reason for wanting them out is obvious, and I still contend that attacking the Dales would be the best way to bring a quick and profoundly anti-Dalish end to the Civil War.  No matter what their political differences, both sides are still Orlesian and they would take a dim view of the Elves stealing their land. [/quote]

The civil wars in Orzammar and Ferelden would suggest otherwise. If people aren't capable of putting aside their differences to stop the Blight until a third party intervened, then I'm not so certain that the Orlesian civil war would come to a dramatic end simply because the elves seized back control of the Dales.

[quote]TK514 wrote...

I can see the Anderfels assisting against the Dalish, because they're the most devoutly Andrastrian country on the planet, and the Healthen Elves stealing the land of good Andrastrian humans would not be a heresy they could easily let pass. [/quote]

Who would they be assisting? There's a civil war in Orlais between Celene and Gaspard, and there's a rebellion on a continential scale between the mages and the templars. The entire reason why I speculate that this would be the perfect time for the Dalish to reclaim their kingdom is because the entire world has too much to focus on the elves. With the constant wars with the darkspawn, and the possibility of the war between the mages and the templars spilling over, I doubt the Anderfels could lend assistance. In fact, I'm certain the conflict there will have to do with the local King and the First Warden who seeks to become the new King, per the insinuation from the WoT entries (as well as Awakening and Origins).

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think they have a bit more to focus on than the Dales, especially with the rest of the world dealing with the Mage-Templar War.

[quote]TK514 wrote...

I can see the Nevarrans staying out of it, because they'd enjoy seeing the Orlesians squirm.  The Rivaini are too far away for it to matter, and the Tevinter have their own 8ft tall religious problems.  The Marches could go either way.  They're simply too fractured, and we know too little about the individual cities, to say how each would respond.  And if Kirkwall is any indication, they don't seem to have standing militaries that allow them to project force beyond their borders.

Ferelden is a bit of a wildcard.  Under Maric/Loghain it'd be an easy call, but relations between Ferelden and Orlais have mellowed since then, particularly at the rulership level.  I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Ferelden were offering at least covert assistance to Celene during the Civil War.  Ferelden is also not in a position to have it's only land trading routes with the rest of the continent cut off by a nation hostile to humans.  And while it is possible (though not universal) that the elves were granted a Boon, indicating a least a mild tolerance at the royal level for elves, the people of Ferelden demonstrated their true feelings on the matter shortly afterwards.  That indicates that, even without government support you'd likely see some Ferelden opposition to the Dalish. [/quote]

Ferelden is still healing after the Blight, which is what King Alistair says several years after the end of the Fifth Blight. They aren't in a position to aid Orlais, and I can't see Anora or Alistair giving them aid to depose the elves from the Dales when they fought their own war to gain independence from the Orlesian Empire. I think they would focus on their own nation, first and foremost.

[quote]TK514 wrote...

Then there are the Dalesmen already living there.  I somehow doubt they're just going to sit quietly by while elves attempt to conquer their home.

So while I doubt there would be a Thedas-wide taskforce set up against the Dalish (unless the Chantry calls an Exalted March, at which point who knows what would happen), local resistance would likely be moderate at least.

Of course, we haven't really established if the Dalish have the effective military force to pose a credible threat capable of not only taking territory, but holding and fortifying it against retaliation.

Should be interesting to see, if it even comes up. [/quote]

I think it would certainly be interesting. In that, we seem to agree.

[Sakanade]

Velanna is dead, executed by my hand.
She didn't want a human magistrate to try and sentence her, so I was judge, jury and executioner for her.
As king, I served the king's justice that day.
Those that pass the sentence, should swing the sword.

Modifié par Sakanade, 10 juin 2013 - 03:06 .

[Angrywolves]

Which means nothing for those who have Velanna live in their Awakening playthroughs. It's unrealistic to think the Dalish even if the elves in Orlais revolted and supported them could wrestle and keep control of the old Dales territory from the Orlesians.

[TK514]

LobselVith8 wrote...

TK514 wrote...

Do we know when the last one was?  I'm honestly just curious.  The Dalish in DA2 don't mention it that I recall, and given that they're supposed to take place every 10 years or so, I wonder if they missed one.

It's mentioned in Dragon Age II, but an exact date for the Arlathvhen isn't actually given. It's why I think it might be a possibility, especially with the implications of an elven rebellion in the Dales (from Asunder and the new Dragon Age novel coming)

i apologize if I cut off part of your statement there.  Deleting text on a tablet is apparently an inexact science.

If I had to guess, I'd suspect one took place between Act 2 and Act 3, as that's when Marethari's new First shows up.  Since the clan has apparently lost their Hallas, something I wish I'd seen an explanation for, I would guess they sent a representative by some other method.  That's just one part of the time skips I would have liked to see fleshed out more.  I don't feel like the Journal or our party dialog does a sufficient job of keeping us up to speed on various things Hawke would know or have been told by friends and loved ones.  The transitions between Acts could have been more robust, but were limited by narrator device.

and I digress.

Depending on time between the end of 2 and the start of 3, I'm not sure they'd be due for one naturally, but there's not reason they couldn't gather out of cycle due to extraordinary circumstances.