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[LobselVith8]

[quote]Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

I'm sure many clans among the People want their own kingdom again. Their goal is to have their own land, restore their culture, be free to worship the Creators without the templars or the members of the Andrastian Chantry trying to murder them in cold blood, and teach the Alienage elves who are willing to learn about their lost culture and history. [/quote]

Many of them will, some of them won't. The narrator of the Dalish Codex Entry in Origins is content with the wandering life they have. Others might be put off by the costs or the risks needed. [/quote]

I guess we will have to wait and see what actually happens in Inquisition to find out how it might turn out, if the elves actually have their own storyline.

[quote]Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

If there is an elven rebellion in the Dales with that precise goal (to liberate the Dales from the Orlesian Empire), it could be an opportunity the People might not want to pass up. [/quote]

I'm sure many would see it this way. But others could see it the too dangerous. And that with the world tearing itself apart the People need stability. Or perhaps a peaceful refuge somewhere, like in Ferelden or maybe somewhere away from the humans. In my headcanon, that's certainly what my Dalish Warden would be pressing for in Ferelden. [/quote]

I would prefer to see the elves get their own kingdom again after so many centuries of having next to nothing.

[quote]Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

There are always losses in war. I doubt anyone thinks that no one will die in a war against the Orlesians. [/quote]

But the Dalish are few in comparison to the humans and they take their entire populations with them when they travel. The human nations and armies are capable of sustaining losses the dalish simply aren't. [/quote]

I think the human nations have enough to contend with given the Mage-Templar War. Even Orlais is dealing with the schism between Celene and Gaspard. It's why I think the elves would need to simply focus on the Orlesians controlling the Dales at this point in time - while the rest of the world is dealing with other conflicts that will keep them occupied.

[quote]Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

Is it morally right for the elves to reclaim their homeland from the empire that invaded them, and possibly relocate the humans out of their lands (which is pretty much what the Dalish Boon is when the ruler gives the Hinterlands to the Dalish)? I suppose history will judge the People on that issue. [/quote]

Well we don't know what happened in Ferelden with the Dalish boon but I figured Allistar or Anora granted the Hinterlands to the elves specifically because it had little to no population there already living. Regardless, we'll have to wait to find out I guess. [/quote]

We find Shale in the Hinterlands. There was already a human population living there, but the land was still given to the Dalish anyway.

[quote]Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

But the orlesians aren't going to leave the lands of their ancestors without a fight. I imagine (or at least I would hope) there are many of them would beleive that mass deportations of helpless men, women and children from their homes to regain land from 600 years ago would be dishonorable to say the least. [/quote]

Relocation would be horrible for the people who have to find new homes, but the racism, the mistreatment, and the purges that elves have to face is why some people want the elves to have their own kingdom again. All I have to do is look at the massacre of elven children from the orphanage that took place during the last purge in Denerim to see how what can happen to the elves living under human rule. There's no honor in that.

[quote]Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

The same way their ancestors did when the former slaves who served under Shartan gained their freedom and their own land. [/quote]

They probably don't want to do that. It ended with the destruction of the Dales. Plus they have more challenges than their ancestors. How do they deal with large population of alienage elves that will have a different culture and different religion? How do they prevent the human kingdoms from banding together to destroy once again? Especially since they will have taken their land by force this time? Ethnic cleansing of South-East Orlais would probably do much more to galvanize anti-elven sentiment than probably made up stories of human sacrifice in one village. [/quote]

An alliance with the mages could be profitable, since the Mage-Templar War is rumored to involve mages and templars fighting for territory and control over certain regions of Thedas. Also, relocation would avoid any ethnic cleansing if the Dalish decide to remove the humans from their land.

[quote]Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

It's a once in a lifetime opportunity with the Mage-Templar War keeping the rest of the world focused elsewhere, and the Orlesian Empire dealing with a civil war between two political rivals fighting for the throne. I'm sure some (if not many) will seize the opportunity to have their own kingdom again. [/quote]

Maybe it is a once in a lifetime opportunity but it could also be a trap that costs the dalish drearly in the long run. The world is unpredictable right now, for all they know attacking Orlais might even temporarily unify the factions of the Orlesian Civil War to protect the territorial integrety of the country they are fighting to rule. Even if Celene and Gaspard don't join forces to destroy them, they'd still be making enemies of them both and they have precious few friends. Ferelden would have cause to want Celene to win the war and is also having problems with thier local  dalish. [/quote]

Given the difficulties between Orlais and Ferelden, especially how some want to reclaim their lost province, I doubt Ferelden would have cause for Orlais to win the war, especially if a Dalish victory weakens the Orlesian Empire from making a move to reclaim the kingdom of Calenhad and Aldenon.

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If they suffer many losses they could doom their people. They could be destroyed if they lose or if they win a pyrrhic victory, which itself strikes me as unlikley.

But the real point of what I was saying here is not that the Dalish won't be able to answer these questions. I'm sure they could. It's that they won't all have the same answers. The clans are diverse enough that I think many would have different perspectives on what is best for the future of their people. A costly and dangerous war against Orlais would need a unified front to work.  [/quote]

Different elves coming together to forge a new life for themselves in their own nation would make for an interesting story.