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[Death2sheep]

There is a point in the game when Shep and Javik are talking
and Javik makes a comment on how at one point he had a ship like the Normandy
and a crew he cared for it. This made me think. If the galaxy knew the end was
coming and defeating the reapers is not going to happen, I think Shep would be
the guy they would freeze for 50k years. To Javik there is nothing worth living
for except the destruction of the reapers.

Throughout ME3 almost every
conversation Shep has, no matter the topic goes back to the reapers. This is understandable.
But at times it goes overboard. Freeze him and wake him up in 50 thousand years
and he is Javik.I was wondering if that was intended. That Javk’s narrative is
that of Shepard if they fail. Shepard talking about finding his friends and
killing them after they have been indoctrinated, the feeling of sadness but
gratitude to know that humanity was gone after it had been turned into the
collectors. The conversation Javik had with Shepard saying that if he was born
in a time with no war he may have been a scholar. The truth was no because they
both were born to lead troops to war. 

[Jking30]

I think that was the point.

[andy6915]

Well... More like renegade Shepard=Javik. Paragon Shepard and Javik definitely disagree more often then R!Shepard and Javik do.

[Mcfly616]

They are both avatars of their cycles

[IanPolaris]

I definately see Javik as the Prothean analog to a Renegade Shepard.

-Polaris

[Nightdragon8]

Eh... I think even Paragon Shep would have ended up that way, having to go around to kill your friends because they get indocernated would seriously screw Shep up. If anything, it will force him to shut down his empathy emotions to a point where he would be just like Javik More in likly to the point where if people on his side dies, ends up just not caring anymore.

Cause if he does, he wouldn't be able to be a solider anymore. And that would crack him at that point.

[K2LU533]

Jking30 wrote...

I think that was the point.

[Shaftell]

Javik by far is the most interesting character in any ME game. He constantly is challenging him and his point of views.

[Jadebaby]

Javik can't be Shepard, he's green, smells bad and is a male...

Plus I've seen them both in the same room at the same time, so explain that one!

[Red Panda]

Jadebaby wrote...

Javik can't be Shepard, he's green, smells bad and is a male...

Plus I've seen them both in the same room at the same time, so explain that one!

Space magic.


Or just being foils of each other or analogs.

[CptData]

andy69156915 wrote...

Well... More like renegade Shepard=Javik. Paragon Shepard and Javik definitely disagree more often then R!Shepard and Javik do.

If paragon!Shepard has to kill all of his/her friends and LI, s/he might turn to Javik. I don't think Javik is renegade. He's a cynic, someone who has lost everything and all that's left is his will to fight the Reapers until he or the Reapers are gone.

Javik = Shepard of the past. Well, not exactly: Javik was born long years after the Reapers attacked the galaxy, Shepard was a grown man already when Saren and Sovereign tried to summon them into the galaxy.

Shaftell wrote...

Javik by far is the most interesting character in any ME game. He constantly is challenging him and his point of views.

He reminds me of a character that's hated for this attitude. She was a well developed character in ME1. :innocent:

Modifié par CptData, 04 juin 2013 - 07:15 .

[Samtheman63]

agreed, even for paragon shep.

waking up after 50k years, everyone and everything you know gone, and the reapers still reaping - paragon shep would finally see sense, stop being a goody two shoes with no more fannying around and turn into a renegade

Modifié par Samtheman63, 04 juin 2013 - 07:13 .

[P. Domi]

[quote]CptData wrote...

[quote]andy69156915 wrote...

Well... More like renegade Shepard=Javik. Paragon Shepard and Javik definitely disagree more often then R!Shepard and Javik do.[/quote]
If paragon!Shepard has to kill all of his/her friends and LI, s/he might turn to Javik. I don't think Javik is renegade. He's a cynic, someone who has lost everything and all that's left is his will to fight the Reapers until he or the Reapers are gone.

Javik = Shepard of the past. Well, not exactly: Javik was born long years after the Reapers attacked the galaxy, Shepard was a grown man already when Saren and Sovereign tried to summon them into the galaxy.


[quote]Shaftell wrote...

Javik by far is the most interesting character in any ME game. He constantly is challenging him and his point of views.[/quote]He reminds me of a character that's hated for this attitude. She was a well developed character in ME1. :innocent:

[/quote]

Touché  

[Podge 90]

The first time I played the game was with the From Ashes DLC, and I was hoping it would unlock an ending where the galaxy falls, and Shepard is forced/chosen to be preserved for the next cycle.

The mirroring of Shepard with Javik is an interesting idea, but could have been more poignantly devrloped.

[KaiserShep]

Forcing Shepard alone to go into cryogenic stasis would not have made much sense, since the point of the original plan was to have a viable population escape the wrath of the reapers. I guess it could be similar in that the pods were damaged or whatever and only Shepard lives through it, but that would really be pushing it.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 26 août 2013 - 07:57 .

[Podge 90]

Shepard would be frozen to be a guide for the next cycle, not to round up a harem of women to begin repopulating the galaxy.

[Wolfva2]

KaiserShep wrote...

Forcing Shepard alone to go into cryogenic stasis would not have made much sense, since the point of the original plan was to have a viable population escape the wrath of the reapers. I guess it could be similar in that the pods were damaged or whatever and only Shepard lives through it, but that would really be pushing it.

Well, Javik wasn't forced into the pods alone.  It's just that his was the only one that survived.  That they had found, anyways.

I'd guess if Shep was to wake up 50K years in the future, after having been his cycle's avatar who failed miserably at stoping the Reapers he'd probably be pretty Javik like himself.  Even an idealist can lose hope.  Heck, look at Javik before he was frozen!  He had hope that this plan of the Protheans would allow them to wake up after the Reapers left, conquer the galaxy, and start preparing for the next war.  Even after having hunted down and killed his crew...his friends...he still had hope.  Then, a large number of the survivors were killed keeping the Reaper forces outside their last base.  He gets in his pod; he still has hope.  Until he is told that he'll sleep until someone wakes him up.  THEN...he wakes up and he's surrounded by primitive creatures that just found out about the Reapers and aren't prepared.  All his hopes, all of his plans...ashes.  Yeah, I'd probably be pretty cranky myself.

Especially since Liarra didn't even offer him a freaking cup of coffee upon waking.  How rude.

[KaiserShep]

Liara's beacons are a more efficient alternative, since they would be more widespread, and contain as many languages as can be gathered, as well as having data encompassing everything Shepard knows about the reapers and whatever else anyway.

[N7lightingWarrior]

If I remember right Garrus mentioned in the game, that if they fail stopping the Reapers they can freeze Shepard for 50000 years and that he/she could become from merely famous to legendary. So my opinion is Shep>>Javik

[Podge 90]

KaiserShep wrote...

Liara's beacons are a more efficient alternative, since they would be more widespread, and contain as many languages as can be gathered, as well as having data encompassing everything Shepard knows about the reapers and whatever else anyway.

<_< well it was fun talking.

[Display Name Owner]

I never bought From Ashes for certain reasons, but from what I've seen and heard, Javik is a very interesting character, and I'm glad they went the way they did with his characterisation. They could have made him some sagely Paragon Gandalf, which would have been terrible. The way he is makes much more sense.

Still, I feel like the way he features in the actual game was a waste of a Prothean character. His being there should have been earth-shatteringly important plot-wise, not optional DLC type stuff.