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[Fredward]

Dabrikishaw wrote...

The grammar....

The new "it" thing on the BSN is coming up with inventive ways to mutilate langa1uagghe.

[garrusfan1]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

you are naive. you could do the same with no magic and no demon by that logic everyone should be in prison and noone should be allowed out since they could cause alot of damage. there is no point arguing with you people. look do mages need education yes they need mandatory schooling to teach them how to use magic safely but after they turn a certain age and learned how to control their magic then they should be allowed to do whatever they want. and they shouldn't be taken away from their family there family should be allowed to live with them or hire a tutor for them. see I can see middle ground

See, the problem is that hiring tutors for mages has been tried. By Isolde. The results were devestation of the sort no farmer with a pitchfork could have accomplished. Attack the circles all you want, but pick a different mode of attack. This one doesn't work.

she picked jowan who was a blood mage and was hired to kill arl eamon I am talking about an accomplished mage that is approved by an agency that would give them a license to teach magic not some random mage that is an apprentice and was hired to kill the childs father

I don't see how this invalidates my point. An assassin can get in without this system, and what then? How much difference do you think having an accomplished, non-blood-using mage makes when the kid gets desparate enough?* A large part of the argument for the Circles is that in the event of a failure where a kid goes abomination, the new abomination is at least surrounded by Templars.

*All Isolde wanted Connor to learn was how to not get posessed or found out anyway. Say what you will about Jowan, he never gets posessed himself and he stays under Eamon's nose.

sweet mother of okay look they would have an agency you would go to where they would have people approved by a certain officail group that had them go through training to teach them and yes are there ways something could go wrong yes but look at why the whole connor thing happened it was because issolde didn't want connor to go to the circle so she hired jowan who she knew nothing about vesides he was a mage. the circle doesn't really work well either. the mages who escape will do anything not to come back so they get desperate and will do anything not to go back. that isn't just mages and the circle that is anytime people run from something horrible. no system is full proof but at least I will look for an alternative and my idea is a good one. so they would need to go to an agency that was approved by whoever will deal with mage education and they would let you have an approved tutor. or the child could go to a school and the family could go with them so they could live with them in a house nearby. so most of my bases are covered

[Tenshi]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...
you are naive. you could do the same with no magic and no demon by that logic everyone should be in prison and noone should be allowed out since they could cause alot of damage. there is no point arguing with you people. look do mages need education yes they need mandatory schooling to teach them how to use magic safely but after they turn a certain age and learned how to control their magic then they should be allowed to do whatever they want. and they shouldn't be taken away from their family there family should be allowed to live with them or hire a tutor for them. see I can see middle ground

So what happens if they refuse education or prove to be really susceptible to temptation by demons?

about 300 ppl gets killed. but thats no problem of course. at least mages are free. oh wait..

[bleetman]

Spirits can also possess trees, yet I don't see the Chantry burning down all the forests.

[garrusfan1]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...
you are naive. you could do the same with no magic and no demon by that logic everyone should be in prison and noone should be allowed out since they could cause alot of damage. there is no point arguing with you people. look do mages need education yes they need mandatory schooling to teach them how to use magic safely but after they turn a certain age and learned how to control their magic then they should be allowed to do whatever they want. and they shouldn't be taken away from their family there family should be allowed to live with them or hire a tutor for them. see I can see middle ground

So what happens if they refuse education or prove to be really susceptible to temptation by demons?

they would not be allowed to refuse education they would be forced if they were that susceptibale they would figure something out but I haven't gotten that far. the problem would be who would decide if they were susceptible

[Nole]

bleetman wrote...

Spirits can also possess trees, yet I don't see the Chantry burning down all the forests.

No just yet...

[Zjarcal]

bleetman wrote...

Spirits can also possess trees, yet I don't see the Chantry burning down all the forests.

Inquisition will have a main story quest where you are tasked to burn down the Brecilian Forest which will lead to "Dragon Age Four: Revenge of the trees".

Modifié par Zjarcal, 04 juin 2013 - 08:50 .

[Tenshi]

bleetman wrote...

Spirits can also possess trees, yet I don't see the Chantry burning down all the forests.

they are too impressed by grand oak rhymes.

[garrusfan1]

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...
you are naive. you could do the same with no magic and no demon by that logic everyone should be in prison and noone should be allowed out since they could cause alot of damage. there is no point arguing with you people. look do mages need education yes they need mandatory schooling to teach them how to use magic safely but after they turn a certain age and learned how to control their magic then they should be allowed to do whatever they want. and they shouldn't be taken away from their family there family should be allowed to live with them or hire a tutor for them. see I can see middle ground

So what happens if they refuse education or prove to be really susceptible to temptation by demons?

about 300 ppl gets killed. but thats no problem of course. at least mages are free. oh wait..

really look if they are susceptable they would be given to the chantry as a brother or they would have a special country for those that were that susceptible  where they could only hurt eachother. and when I say country I don't mean a big building. they would still have a harrowing at a certain age to check or they could be tranquil but only by choice. and yes I realize the country would be like a giant circle but they wouldn't be ripping the child out of the mothers arms like they do when a mage has a child. or you could do the isolationist idea like the fraternitiy the isolationist. just give them a big amount of land and let them live there away from everyone else

[Lobos1988]

For me the mages are not that frightening... if you would really make them dangerous they should be really overpowered... like that one:

www.youtube.com/watch

[garrusfan1]

bleetman wrote...

Spirits can also possess trees, yet I don't see the Chantry burning down all the forests.

and dead bodies 

[Mr.House]

Melca36 wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

 that mages should be free, when he doesnt understand that pretty much every free mage can cause mass murder or cataclysm no matter if he wants or not. 

edit: i could have writen this into pretty long wall of text but i prefer this 

Did you even the first reply to your post. The developers have acknowledged it was an error.  Not all mages are evil and they dont deserve to be raped and abused.

Not all Templars are evil either or abuse and rape mages.

[AstraDrakkar]

DA2 kinda hints at mages are becoming greater in numbers. Therefore, I think that in the future the current system of mage management will have to be scrapped, and another put in place. I'm not sure what the best system would be- everyone has their own ideas on this.

"Mage Management"---why do I like this term?

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 04 juin 2013 - 09:24 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

she picked jowan who was a blood mage and was hired to kill arl eamon I am talking about an accomplished mage that is approved by an agency that would give them a license to teach magic not some random mage that is an apprentice and was hired to kill the childs father

I don't see how this invalidates my point. An assassin can get in without this system, and what then? How much difference do you think having an accomplished, non-blood-using mage makes when the kid gets desparate enough?* A large part of the argument for the Circles is that in the event of a failure where a kid goes abomination, the new abomination is at least surrounded by Templars.

*All Isolde wanted Connor to learn was how to not get posessed or found out anyway. Say what you will about Jowan, he never gets posessed himself and he stays under Eamon's nose.

sweet mother of okay look they would have an agency you would go to where they would have people approved by a certain officail group that had them go through training to teach them and yes are there ways something could go wrong yes but look at why the whole connor thing happened it was because issolde didn't want connor to go to the circle so she hired jowan who she knew nothing about vesides he was a mage. the circle doesn't really work well either. the mages who escape will do anything not to come back so they get desperate and will do anything not to go back. that isn't just mages and the circle that is anytime people run from something horrible. no system is full proof but at least I will look for an alternative and my idea is a good one. so they would need to go to an agency that was approved by whoever will deal with mage education and they would let you have an approved tutor. or the child could go to a school and the family could go with them so they could live with them in a house nearby. so most of my bases are covered

Except for the base I raise, in which mages in the population are free to go abomination. I think that's a more major base to cover than making sure kids aren't taken from their families, given that one abomination can keep creating orphans until it is stopped. Under your solution, who knows when that will be? Whatever the Circle's flaws, and I'm not denying there are some, the problem stops reasonably quickly in most cases.

Once a mage has proven himself minimal risk, maybe you can let him mingle. Fine. The problem is those mages who have not proven themselves minimal risks. When you argue to give them to the Chantry as a brother, I really think that's beside the point of my objections: what happens to the other brothers if something goes wrong? When you argue to give them a country of their own, where they can't hurt anyone else, what you're missing is that that's essentially the idea of the Circle, except that there are guards to make sure they don't leave.

Then you're missing the problem of magical crime. That by itself would probably be a minor enough problem, unless the mages decided to take over the country. And who could stop them if they did, except the Templars? The problem is that this solution, which you find morally reprehensible, solves or mitigates all three problems. That is the main idea of anyone who argues that the Circle is morally justifiable, that it solves three problems at once, and that these three problems are more severe than the pain caused when a family has its child taken. Especially when one takes into account the fact that mages are a minority. More children will grow up safe for the taking of these children.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 04 juin 2013 - 09:24 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

AstraDrakkar wrote...

DA2 kinda hints at mages are becoming greater in numbers. Therefore, I think that in the future the current system of mage management will have to be scrapped, and another put in place. I'm not sure what the best system would be- everyone has their own ideas on this.

"Mage Management"---why do I like this term?

Unless mages become a majority, or maybe even a third of the population, I don't see why these makes too much difference. So long as the mages are not the majority of the population, most people are in serious danger if an abomination forms, and the discomfort to the mages is outweighed by the danger to everyone else. Unless you can argue that the Circle system is a bad idea anyway, you can't really argue that it's a bad idea just because there's more mages. (Unless of course there's too many mages to police, which will require a huge upswing in the number of mages.)

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 04 juin 2013 - 09:33 .

[AstraDrakkar]

One thing I do believe is that forcibly taking young children away from their family is inherently a bad idea. It's one thing for a family to give up a child because they can't handle them, but taking a child away just because they are a mage will automatically instill rage in that child. I kind of like the idea of a school system for mages, in which they can return to their families either daily or on some sort of regular basis.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

bleetman wrote...

Spirits can also possess trees, yet I don't see the Chantry burning down all the forests.

Because a posessed tree is less likely to go on a rampage through a city, nearly wipe out a fishing village, or almost get a Circle anulled by turning the entire Circle into sylvans.

AstraDrakkar wrote...

One thing I do believe is that forcibly taking young children away from their family is inherently a bad idea. It's one thing for a family to give up a child because they can't handle them, but taking a child away just because they are a mage will automatically instill rage in that child. I kind of like the idea of a school system for mages, in which they can return to their families either daily or on some sort of regular basis.

The problem of taking children away from their families is something to weigh. The problem is that the child's pain is less important that society's potential pain, especially if the child is taken young enough to adapt, and especially since the Circle seems to have ways of getting around this judging by the Ferelden Circle in the Mage Origin.

Although, letting the kids go back to their families on a regular basis is an okay idea. It might make the mages and their families suffer less from this. I've already explained why it can't be daily, though, since that defeats the whole quarantine thing.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 04 juin 2013 - 09:41 .

[Chiramu]

Who called templars bad guys? Both mages and the templars were doing wrong from my understanding.

[AstraDrakkar]

Although I believe that the Templar Organization has become more corrupt over time, I don't think it started out that way. A few bad apples can spoil a bushel as it were. I think if the Templars were willing to make a few changes, the current system of mage management could be saved.

And I agree, there are some extremist mages "I'm looking at you Anders" that haven't helped matters either.

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 04 juin 2013 - 09:52 .

[Tenshi]

Chiramu wrote...

Who called templars bad guys? Both mages and the templars were doing wrong from my understanding.

many did.. and im not templars fan, im also not very fond of mages either. i can agree with your understanding.

[Chiramu]

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

Chiramu wrote...

Who called templars bad guys? Both mages and the templars were doing wrong from my understanding.

many did.. and im not templars fan, im also not very fond of mages either. i can agree with your understanding.

Maybe they writers could try to work on the perspective of both sides a bit more, and not make one of the templars just a love interest so of course she has to be good >.>. I would like a rival not being evil for once .

[KainD]

I understand that every free mage can cause mass murder and cataclysm. 
I call templars evil and think that mages should be free. 
Simple.