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[QU67]

 I recently had someone tell me this on the forums. I wanted to ask what you all think. Are there no bad characters?

As I think about this, it seems to me that every character has some sort of redeeming quality about them... except for one: the Turian Saboteur. This has been discussed in-depth in a lot of threads, so I'll save you all from a lengthy jumbled rant. 

There are a lot of characters that just aren't used a lot, like the N7 Slayer or the Krogan Soldier and Sentinel. But this doesn't necessarily mean they're bad.

But, how good does someone have to be to make a Volus Protector look good on Gold? That brings up another factor, difficulty. I'm sure no one would give a second thought to using original Humans on Bronze, but Platinum can get a bit dicey with some of them. However, characters such as the N7 Destroyer, Asari Justicar, and Geth Infiltrator are usable on all difficulties. Does this necessarily mean that the Humans are "bad" compared to the aforementioned characters?

Well... it depends on the situation. Got a team of Biotics? Human Adept works well. Justicar can too. More tech centered characters? Why not take advantage of the situation by using the Human Engineer with Overload and Incinerate? What about taking advantage of the stunning effect of Tech Bursts with a Geth Infi with a Javelin or a Destroyer with a Typhoon?

I realize I didn't necessarily put forth my own opinion, because I haven't had a lot of time to mull this over. I simply wanted to present my own jumbled, somewhat illogical and incomplete thoughts on the subject.

[TMB903]

There are characters that aren't designed as well as others but a great player can make any character a beast.

[acicm2]

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every class is plat valuable, just take understanding of the class to use it.

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 05 juin 2013 - 12:52 .

[acicm2]

MasterReefa wrote...

Volus Sentinel, I understand the concept, but it doesn't work well in this game.

inb4olazy4name.

[ToLazy4Name]

QU67 wrote...


But, how good does someone have to be to make a Volus Protector look good on Gold?  

Not that good. The Volus Protector is a great class. 


On another note, there aren't any UNUSABLE characters, but there are BAD characters. 

[ISHYGDDT]

Every class is powerful, you just need to put a reegar carbine and incendiary ammo on it.

[Cyonan]

There are no bad characters

but some are certainly a fair bit worse than others.

[ndw542]

acicm2 wrote...

MasterReefa wrote...

Volus Sentinel, I understand the concept, but it doesn't work well in this game.

inb4olazy4name.

Barely. 

[UnknownMercenary]

no character will be bad as long as the reegar, harrier, hurricane and acolyte exist

[mumba]

All classes that aren't the GI are a terrible waste of space and are only used by scrublords who haven't seen the light.

[Malanek]

QU67 wrote...
There are a lot of characters that just aren't used a lot, like the N7 Slayer or the Krogan Soldier and Sentinel. But this doesn't necessarily mean they're bad.

What are you basing this on. The Slayer is officially in the most 15 used of all kits and I see quite a few original Krogan around.

[Computron2000]

You can compensate for weak powers with strong guns. This is why you can play any character well even if it just came out and you have no idea on what it can do. Just use the powers as secondary damage sources and weapons as primary.

The other method is depending on ammo powers and tech exploding your way through. Since they scale with difficulty (FE/CE/TB damage increases as the difficulty increases), its not that bad if you have a fast detonating power.

However if you have nothing but an avenger 1, no ammo powers, then you have problems with weak characters. Your powers are bad and your weapons are bad and you can't tech burst. You can survive better than any newbie simply due to experience but you will probably be the last guy on the scoreboard due to lousy dps.

For example, the volus mercenary is quite horrible if you take your avenger and no ammo powers. He's quite survivable due to light melee cloak + shield boost but that's about it. To measure it, solo with the volus merc and compare the timing to other classes.

[Salarian Jesus]

TMB903 wrote...

There are characters that aren't designed as well as others but a great player can make any character a beast.

Exactly. However, the opposite can be true also: I've seen several TGI-Harrier players on Gold, who, in all honesty, do not belong there. That is, there are some players that are so bad, that they royally suck even with characters that are generally regarded as OP.

A good player can make the Volus Sentinel work just perfectly. Of course, if they use, say, a Javelin-GI, they will, of course, fare better (not necessarily score better, though).

[Nicegil2012]

Cyonan wrote...

There are no bad characters

but some are certainly a fair bit worse than others.

[Ultimate Pheer]

Mumba1511 wrote...

All classes that aren't the GI are a terrible waste of space and are only used by scrublords who haven't seen the light.

Or poor unfortunate scrubs who lack the guiding light of the great master GI... such as me...

[parico]

TMB903 wrote...

There are characters that aren't designed as well as others but a great player can make any character a beast.

That still doesnt mean those kits aren't bad.  The turian sabotuer and vorcha hunter to name a couple are terribly designed kits.  Sure people can beat platinum with them that doesnt mean it was fun or easy.  Same as using the avenger over the harrier one is just better than the other and more suited to the higher difficulty levels.  Guns leveling up with ur status I get that.  A few of the kits are just barely viable on the higher difficulties and require top tier play to be useful.  So op yes there are bad characters. 

[Cyonan]

Computron2000 wrote...

However if you have nothing but an avenger 1, no ammo powers, then you have problems with weak characters. Your powers are bad and your weapons are bad and you can't tech burst. You can survive better than any newbie simply due to experience but you will probably be the last guy on the scoreboard due to lousy dps.

For example, the volus mercenary is quite horrible if you take your avenger and no ammo powers. He's quite survivable due to light melee cloak + shield boost but that's about it. To measure it, solo with the volus merc and compare the timing to other classes.

The thing about this is that all of the weapon based characters are going to have issues dealing damage if all they have is an Avenger I with no ammo powers.

It's not the greatest measurement of what's not a bad kit, because of variations in how much power damage vs weapon damage the kits do.

[LoneWolf3905]

I find ways to make all the classes work. Human soldier is one of my favorites out of the humans. But I won't play the volus. Just not my thing.

[FlowCytometry]

imo, using a weaker kit doesn't excuse someone from poor play, but at the same time its not really fair to judge a player based on them struggling w/ a weaker kit. See how they play other things in other loadouts and map/enemy types if you want a more accurate call. Part of poor play isn't just in execution though, but in general knowledge, so them willingly making poor or incompatible choices in their loadout can be held against that (and then you may have a circuitous problem on ur hands).

while you are judging players, make sure to bring a gavel, cloak, glasses, and wig- don't want to seem improper while on important gamer business!

[parico]

MasterReefa wrote...

parico wrote...

TMB903 wrote...

There are characters that aren't designed as well as others but a great player can make any character a beast.

That still doesnt mean those kits aren't bad.  The turian sabotuer and vorcha hunter to name a couple are terribly designed kits.  Sure people can beat platinum with them that doesnt mean it was fun or easy.  Same as using the avenger over the harrier one is just better than the other and more suited to the higher difficulty levels.  Guns leveling up with ur status I get that.  A few of the kits are just barely viable on the higher difficulties and require top tier play to be useful.  So op yes there are bad characters. 

That's subjective.
Don't be racist.

KMA you racist spectre pos

Modifié par parico, 05 juin 2013 - 12:31 .

[JediHarbinger]

Pee-pee-co pls

Modifié par JediHarbinger, 05 juin 2013 - 12:32 .

[Computron2000]

Cyonan wrote...
The thing about this is that all of the weapon based characters are going to have issues dealing damage if all they have is an Avenger I with no ammo powers.

It's not the greatest measurement of what's not a bad kit, because of variations in how much power damage vs weapon damage the kits do.

Yeah but weapon classes will still perform better with the avenger 1 than non-weapons classes. It becomes a measurement of how much are the other powers of the weapons class worth vs the non weapons class. For example, the volus merc's drone/decoy/shield boost vs a destroyer's devastator mode/multifrag/missile.

For less obvious power difference dodge type, base health/shields. melee type and base speed comparisons come into play

Given that most people here have a lot of stuff at X and a ton of equipment,using weapons and ammo powers to compensate for lousy powers becomes second nature. The difficulty of a weak kit becomes less obvious

[whathot]

Nope. "No bad characters, only bad players." >> "No bad characters, just other characters can kill things BETTER".