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[Ultimate Pheer]

PHGDAL wrote...

I think many people misunderstood what I meant, when I said you could use Shepard's DNA to have a child with Tali, I meant it the same way as an Asari would have children, use the other's DNA to randomise the child's DNA. The child would be 100% quarian, no link to human DNA whatsoever. I didn't mean you could cut bits and strap them onto another DNA - no. I meant things like distance between the eyes, find the gene in Shepard and make sure that the child's Quarian gene results with the same distance, and so forth.

The way you would have a quarian with some basic appearance characteristics that would resemble Shepard's, but in no way be genetically linked to him.

Sure it would be expensive and complicated as hell but if they were able to genetically engineer a bunch of stuff, I'm sure their knowledge and decoding abilities of DNA are far better than our own (since they can even clone humans).

Quarians are already absurdly humanlike- any human-ization of genes would result in unnoticeable differences at best, and literally no changes at worst.

And... Asari reproduction is really, kind of a rather silly way to reproduce- we have single gender species already, why do the Asari need the vulcan mind meld to have kids?

[Banul]

As a talimancer, I would just like to chime in:

Guys, Tali and Shepard can't have a biological child together. I'm sorry. It can't happen, and no amount of genetic engineering will make it happen. There's always adoption, though.

[Ultimate Pheer]

Finally a Talimancer in this thread who talks sense!

[TheWerdna]

Ultimate Pheer wrote...

Finally a Talimancer in this thread who talks sense!

Hey, in this thread me and several other Talimancers already said that hybrid babies are impossible  and that adoption is the way to go.

[Dextro Milk]

I'm a Talimancer too you know... 

Modifié par Dextro Milk, 12 juin 2013 - 08:01 .

[Clayless]

Pretty sure, given the level of technology in the MEU, Miranda's infertility could be cured quite easily.

She might not be able to have a biological child through sex (though even then I'm sure it'd be possible with medical advancements) she could easily have a biological child. I mean she doesn't even have a mum. Infertility is nothing there.

[Gold Dragon]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

A Golden Dragon wrote...

MaleShep with Tali And Femshep with Garrus COULD have children.  The same way that Henry Lawson had "twin" daughters (Miranda and Oriana), especially since they never had (biological) mothers.

Expensive, but Doable.  The Only truly impossible LI match to have kids is with Thane. For painfully Obvious reasons.

Yep. It's called adoption. Or cloning of a Turian, Quarian, or human. That's the only way you're having a child.

No, tho adoption IS a very viable option.

From another Sci-Fi series: A female from one species, and a male from another species went into a lab.  Roughly 2 years 9 months later, the female gave birth to a half-breed of both races.  The Female was a human named Amanda Grayson, the Male was a Vulcan named Sarek (ambassador), and they named the child Spock.

Are you saying the Salarians can't do the same?

[Ultimate Pheer]

Yes, because this is mass effect, not star trek. Space magic is not accepted here, unlike star trek where anything can happen because *Technobabble*

And because in star trek, humans and vulcans are LITERALLY as distant genetic cousins from each other as Pomeranians and Rottweilers.

[CptData]

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...

What would they be like? Like, who would they be and what would they do? Their personality? This isn't necessarily for the destroy ending, since, well, my Shepard gave Ashley some action she wouldn't forget antime soon before Priority: Earth.

My Shepard survived the destruction ending and is going to use all vacation ... well.  Ashley is going to be a good mom.

I think they'll have 2 or 3 kids, two girls or two girls and a boy. They're pretty much normal kids, except their parents are living legends. The older girl is the spitting image of her mom, the younger girl looks a bit like her dad. And the boy (if there's any) might have features of both with a strong hint of his dad.
Characters? Hmmm, they'll be normal, as I said. No kickass soldier, no hero, just normal kids. Not sure if they join the Alliance Navy at all, or if they're going to have civilian lives later. Whatever they do, they won't disappoint their parents 'though.

Done.

[Omega Torsk]

But see, Shepard DID have kids!

John H. Shepard retired from active duty, settling on the human colony world, Amaterasu. Several months later, he married Ashley Williams. Nearly a year later, she gave birth to their son, Kaidan Shepard.

They went on to have two other kids, Emily and David.

Yup, that's what happened!

[Gold Dragon]

Ultimate Pheer wrote...

Yes, because this is mass effect, not star trek. Space magic is not accepted here, unlike star trek where anything can happen because *Technobabble*

And because in star trek, humans and vulcans are LITERALLY as distant genetic cousins from each other as Pomeranians and Rottweilers.

So you diss Miranda, Who was as much tank-bred as Grunt?  It's ok for Krogan and Human only, but not for a Quarian?


OKAY.....

[Ultimate Pheer]

I do not diss any character.

I diss the technobabble explanations people come up with for making half human half alien ABOMINATIONS AGAINST THE NATURAL ORDER OF THE UNIVERSE!

Sorry, soft science in a hard sci-fi setting, when not played for parody or as part of a crossover, irks me somewhat.

[Gold Dragon]

Point taken.  But I was suggesting Tali have a Quarian baby, just Altered abit so that some traits of Shepard would be present, not a Half-breed.  Then having it planted in Tali's womb and having it grow naturally from there.


Possible (look at Miranda and Grunt), but most likely DREADFULLY expensive.  Even for Commander Shepard.

Modifié par A Golden Dragon, 11 juin 2013 - 03:15 .

[Ultimate Pheer]

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You know they would probably have to recreate ENTIRE strands of the quarian genome in order to do that. DNA can't simply be unzipped and messed with- it isn't made of LEGO. Most all genetics come from a RIDICULOUS amount of trial and error. And that is with people trying to engineer something within a single species- not modify the DNA of one to resemble the other. And why would anyone do this instead of just adopting a kid?

Use the wizard hat smiley one more time and I will find you and feed you to a krogan.

[o Ventus]

Ultimate Pheer wrote...

Yes, because this is mass effect, not star trek. Space magic is not accepted here, unlike star trek where anything can happen because *Technobabble*

The Crucible.

*exits stage right*

[Ultimate Pheer]

I'm sorry, what ending?

[justafan]

I really don't see what alienmancers have against their Shepard only being able to adopt.

To create a half human hybrid that is truly a Shepard/Tali,Garrus,Thane,etc. child in the MEU would require crucible levels of genetic restructuring. That tech level is just not practical in this universe. And I for one find the idea of Shepard and Tali adopting a few war orphans and raising them as their own a better and more romantic ending than them creating some hybrid in a lab just because they can.

[PHGDAL]

justafan wrote...

I really don't see what alienmancers have against their Shepard only being able to adopt.

To create a half human hybrid that is truly a Shepard/Tali,Garrus,Thane,etc. child in the MEU would require crucible levels of genetic restructuring. That tech level is just not practical in this universe. And I for one find the idea of Shepard and Tali adopting a few war orphans and raising them as their own a better and more romantic ending than them creating some hybrid in a lab just because they can.

Kill the Reapers, learn their genetic-re-writing potential (they did re-write the protheans genetically to get the collectors) and then use that knowledge to write your own alien DNA that can be planted in the womb of whoever is going to give birth. Tada.

As a Talimancer, I have nothing against adoption, but frankly if there are so many ways you can use the story's technicalities to explain why it is possible, it's worth at least looking into.

[Dextro Milk]

That is just messed up. You might think adoption is murder the way people avoid it.

[o Ventus]

PHGDAL wrote...

Kill the Reapers, learn their genetic-re-writing potential (they did re-write the protheans genetically to get the collectors) and then use that knowledge to write your own alien DNA that can be planted in the womb of whoever is going to give birth. Tada.

1. The Reapers also used cybernetics in the Collectors. Unless you want a cyborg baby, that example isn't very good at all.

2. DNA "writing" (I hate that term) is not even remotely this simple. Nevermind that you would still be taking human DNA and implanting it into a quarian womb. The result (if one were to happen at all) would be sterile, and likely not survive after birth.

As a Talimancer, I have nothing against adoption, but frankly if there are so many ways you can use the story's technicalities to explain why it is possible, it's worth at least looking into.

Except it isn't possible. When was the last time you heard of a giraffe mating with a whale? Or a human mating with a tree?

Modifié par o Ventus, 11 juin 2013 - 06:36 .

[CptData]

^ o Ventus is right.

It's not known if it's even possible to create an interspecies child in ME universe. This isn't Star Trek after all.

Possible:

- Asari + every sapient species including themselves
Well, technically, the child isn't "interspecies" at all. The child is always a daughter and more or less a clone of her mother with some additional genetic traits from the (male) partner.

Well ... guess that's it already. Asari can do it with everyone, rest can do it only with own species. At least if they want to get children. Hey, it's odd enough every "important" species sports fitting stuff to "plug in" ... ya know what I mean?

[Gold Dragon]

o Ventus wrote...

PHGDAL wrote...

Kill the Reapers, learn their genetic-re-writing potential (they did re-write the protheans genetically to get the collectors) and then use that knowledge to write your own alien DNA that can be planted in the womb of whoever is going to give birth. Tada.

1. The Reapers also used cybernetics in the Collectors. Unless you want a cyborg baby, that example isn't very good at all.

2. DNA "writing" (I hate that term) is not even remotely this simple. Nevermind that you would still be taking human DNA and implanting it into a quarian womb. The result (if one were to happen at all) would be sterile, and likely not survive after birth.

As a Talimancer, I have nothing against adoption, but frankly if there are so many ways you can use the story's technicalities to explain why it is possible, it's worth at least looking into.

Except it isn't possible. When was the last time you heard of a giraffe mating with a whale? Or a human mating with a tree?

Why would someone even WANT to mate with a tree?

And WHO said placing human DNA into a Quarian?  Not me.  *I* said Altering QUARIAN DNA, then implanting.  Henry Lawson had HIS DNA altered, placed in a tank, and so produced Miranda, and later, Oriana.
Okeer distilled several krogan lines into one being that named himself "Grunt".

All the technology is already there.  All that would really be needed is for Shepard's genetics to be read, and one of Tali's eggs altered, then re-implanted.  Pure-blood Quarian baby as much as Tali herself is pure-blooded.  Procedure might be as expensive as adopting three children and raising them to maturity, however.


No space wizardy at ALL.




EDIT: @Ultimate Pheer:  I typically sign my posts with for much the same reason that Chris Priestly uses

No reason to get so upset.

Modifié par A Golden Dragon, 11 juin 2013 - 07:10 .

[Dextro Milk]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

Why spend millions of credits on messing with DNA when you could get a normal baby through adoption or artificial insemination?