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[togocure]

It's taken me quite a while to bring myself to play Mass Effect 3 again after it devestated me for about a month after completing it the week it came out. I decided it'd be nice to get the mission DLC for it, but was quite shocked to discover that the DLC for just THREE MISSIONS costs more than THE ENTIRE GAME CURRENTLY COSTS! It costs more than if I were to buy the Digital Delux edition.

That's ridiculous. I understand the desire to get paid for the hard work you guys put into the development of this DLC. I understand that this DLC cost you a lot of money to create, but you sell the entire game for less than you sell this DLC which is just a tiny fraction of the game. This is absolutely ridiculous and I expected better. I want my Mass Effect experience to feel complete, but I don't want to pay more to complete that experience than I'd pay for the game itself if I hadn't bought it the day it came out. Does this make sense to anyone? I understand you've gotta make money off of this, I really do, but this is absolutely ridiculous. Maybe if you didn't charge out the butt for the DLC, more people would buy it? Your DLC is incredibly over priced and I just don't care to pay for that crap at all. I'm glad for all of the free DLC you've also put out, but charging 40 dollars for 3 mission DLCs is outrageous. Did the artists at BioWare quit and get replaced with accountants?

[thesnake777]

wait for it to come on sale or buy the ultimate edition whenever it comes out.
Most people who bought the dlc didn't buy it all at once, so they were not hit with such a high price tag from the gate.

[togocure]

thesnake777 wrote...

wait for it to come on sale or buy the ultimate edition whenever it comes out.
Most people who bought the dlc didn't buy it all at once, so they were not hit with such a high price tag from the gate.

Buying it all at once or one at a time isn't the problem here. Would you describe Omega as a quarter of the game? How about Citadel? They're a quarter of the price of the physical copy of the game at launch. That's the physical copy with the disc and case and all. That's the price paid at launch for the entire game's development. The majority of what you're paying for in DLC is voice acting, reskinned models, someone to spend a day or two in an editor to design some environments using all of the resources you paid for in the core game, and story writing. While I am quite happy to pay bioware well for their fantastic writing, and I'm happy to pay bioware well for the rest of the work put into this, but the work put into the DLC is miniscule compared to the work put into the vanilla game. You pay a quarter of the price for more like a sixteenth of the work. Sure, if you're comparing the DLC price to Call of Duty DLC pricing, this is a decent deal for what you get, but when you compare it to what you're actually paying for in all, it's a terrible deal. Just because something is a better deal than Call of Duty's horribly priced DLC doesn't mean it's a good deal. I'd say each DLC is at least 5 dollars too expensive.

Maybe if less money was wasted on the idotic marketing campaigns that EA is so fond of we could have more affordable DLC.

[WoolyJoe]

The greatest protest you could commit to if you feel the price is unfair is to simply avoid download any of the content. There are numerous factors that go into pricing things like additional DLC, but if the sales aren't high enough then they might begin to rethink said factors. This might lead to cheaper downloadable content in the future, or possibly more expansive content for a similar price.

That, and not that I wish to 'derail your thread', it appears that you have a problem with the pricing of DLC in general, not just in regards to Mass Effect 3. And I'd warrant that the BioWareSocialNetwork isn't the ideal forum or social-space to discuss at length what is and isn't fair in purchasing digital content. Or something...

[FlamingBoy]

DLC by its very nature is exploitative. Though its not illegal (as of yet ) it is pretty dodgy. Me3 is just among the worst offenders.

The most common argument in its support is that developers need money (while that is true its incredibly vague) and that it will result in bigger and better games, however its been years since the first dlc and I have not seen the "trickle down effect" of Reaganomics take effect.

[JMTolan]

ME3 is the worst offender? Pardon me while I laugh hysterically.

-Tolan

(Also, DCUO, Star Trek Online, and pretty much almost every other FTPMMO would like your attention.)

[FlamingBoy]

JMTolan wrote...

ME3 is the worst offender? Pardon me while I laugh hysterically.

-Tolan

(Also, DCUO, Star Trek Online, and pretty much almost every other FTPMMO would like your attention.)

"laugh hysterically"
Don't be childish

All of your examples are free to play, sooo.... yeah
If you really going to compare a f2p game with a standard 60 (110 In australia) then your cutting your argument short

Edit: I should add to what I mean about that
Essentially the comparison of A f2P game is false equivilancy

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 05 juin 2013 - 06:13 .

[AlanC9]

togocure wrote...
You pay a quarter of the price for more like a sixteenth of the work. 

A more sensible way to look at it would be to compare the revenue Bio gets to the costs of the DLC. At a quarter the price of the game, and selling to 1/4 the number of people who bought the game, Bio's making one sixteenth of the revenue they made on the game..... how much should they spend on making that DLC?

Though I'm pretty sure a DLC costs even less than 1/16 of the game's cost to make. Yes, DLC is more profitable than the main games. If you can't live with that, don't buy any DLC, and the the guys who do buy DLC subsidize your gaming.

[Eterna]

togocure wrote...

thesnake777 wrote...

wait for it to come on sale or buy the ultimate edition whenever it comes out.
Most people who bought the dlc didn't buy it all at once, so they were not hit with such a high price tag from the gate.

Buying it all at once or one at a time isn't the problem here. Would you describe Omega as a quarter of the game? How about Citadel? They're a quarter of the price of the physical copy of the game at launch.

Omega took me 4 hours, the citadel took me 6. 

My original ME3 playthrough was about 27 hours.

So yes, pretty much. 

DLC by its very nature is exploitative. Though its not illegal (as of yet ) it is pretty dodgy. Me3 is just among the worst offenders.

The most common argument in its support is that developers need money (while that is true its incredibly vague) and that it will result in bigger and better games, however its been years since the first dlc and I have not seen the "trickle down effect" of Reaganomics take effect.

If you don't like dlc then don't buy it. Personally I like DLC, don't rain on my parade just because you're cheap or don't wish to feel "exploited"

DLC will never be illegal because it is optional additional content. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 05 juin 2013 - 08:52 .

[agrael92]

I support this. The prices are unacceptable. Citadel dlc has shown me that singleplayer dlcs can be done well and with purpose, but even there the price is stil too high.

[MegaSovereign]

There are games that get away with selling 3-4 MP maps for 15 dollars. I personally get a lot more out of Mass Effect DLC than the average game. Bethesda and Rockstar also make pretty great DLCs.

[voteDC]

The only DLC I don't think was worth the money for Mass Effect 3 was Omega. Then again I was never a fan of the combat or of Aria, so it was fighting a losing battle against me from the start.

I wasn't fond of Leviathan but that wasn't really its fault. The big reveal of that DLC was spoilt by the Extended Cut.

Perhaps it would be nice if the price dropped for the DLC once it was in profit but you'd end up in the situation where that took an age because everyone would be waiting for the price to drop.

[thepiebaker]

a year or two in a game's development most games dlc costs more than the game itself. the only ones who dont are the games that have so little dlc you might as well say they have none...
-all of the bethesda game's dlc costs more than the game itself... heck almost as much as the game when it was first released.
-call of duty has at least 5 map packs for each of their games costing at least $10 a piece... actually dont they have a few that cost $20?
-battlefield 3, gears of war, and halo are almost in the same boat as call of duty
-borderlands 2 dlc when you consider the next dlc coming out is going to set the price of the dlc to match the game when first released
-the season pass for defiance is $40 with an upgrade to the delux edition being $50 on top of that
-tall tell walking dead, each bit of dlc cost the same as the game itself before they made the game itself free
-dont even get started of rockband and guitar hero
-oh and dont forget about DA:O or ME2 they're in the same boat as ME3

[elrofrost]

thepiebaker wrote...

a year or two in a game's development most games dlc costs more than the game itself. the only ones who dont are the games that have so little dlc you might as well say they have none...
-all of the bethesda game's dlc costs more than the game itself... heck almost as much as the game when it was first released.
-call of duty has at least 5 map packs for each of their games costing at least $10 a piece... actually dont they have a few that cost $20?
-battlefield 3, gears of war, and halo are almost in the same boat as call of duty
-borderlands 2 dlc when you consider the next dlc coming out is going to set the price of the dlc to match the game when first released
-the season pass for defiance is $40 with an upgrade to the delux edition being $50 on top of that
-tall tell walking dead, each bit of dlc cost the same as the game itself before they made the game itself free
-dont even get started of rockband and guitar hero
-oh and dont forget about DA:O or ME2 they're in the same boat as ME3

I'll add a few others: Civ4 & 5, WOW, LOTRO (even before it went F2P), & Eve.

Also Citadel I loved. Was worth every penny. Same with Omega. In fact, the only DLC I thought was a waste of money was Stolen Memory - although I did/do like Kasumi. Genenis (both of them) were a wastes of time. But if you never played the series, then you'd have a different opinion of them.

Look get used to paying for DLC's. Cause that's where the industry is heading. Constant revenue. They are trying to move away from a "hit" business model.

Modifié par elrofrost, 05 juin 2013 - 05:09 .

[elrofrost]

voteDC wrote...

I wasn't fond of Leviathan but that wasn't really its fault. The big reveal of that DLC was spoilt by the Extended Cut.

I really liked that DLC. But I agree; the Extended Cut does chop it up. But I'm a lore hound, so any DLC that adds to the lore I'm for.

[Sanunes]

As others have mentioned many other games charge the same price for DLC so its your decision to wait for it to go on sale or pay full price. I think FPS games are far worse because of their map packs costing $15 and the other thing that bothers me is the discount package deals for that is paying for DLC that won't be released for months.

[tanisha__unknown]

thesnake777 wrote...

wait for it to come on sale or buy the ultimate edition whenever it comes out.
Most people who bought the dlc didn't buy it all at once, so they were not hit with such a high price tag from the gate.

Bwahahahahaha

[MsKlaussen]

I haven't bought a single piece of DLC for ME3 besides some spectre gear (I think I paid for that, like the Windowmaker???).

It's working. I'm not angry about DLC prices.

But I do understand the OP's point. I don't remember paying that much for the DLC for 1 and 2, so...that would sort of be like buying Shadow Broker and Kasumi for $40, and I'm quite sure I didn't spend that.

[Mam_Las]

[Violation of Rule #6 removed.]

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 06 juin 2013 - 07:59 .

[FlamingBoy]

Eterna5 wrote...

DLC by its very nature is exploitative. Though its not illegal (as of yet ) it is pretty dodgy. Me3 is just among the worst offenders.

The most common argument in its support is that developers need money (while that is true its incredibly vague) and that it will result in bigger and better games, however its been years since the first dlc and I have not seen the "trickle down effect" of Reaganomics take effect.

If you don't like dlc then don't buy it. Personally I like DLC, don't rain on my parade just because you're cheap or don't wish to feel "exploited"

DLC will never be illegal because it is optional additional content. 

When dlc is about leviathan (the orgin of the reapers), protheans (the previous cycle hence orgin of "US!"), About the citadel which has more character interactions than the entirety of the main game.

It is no longer opitional it becomes essential, hence it is exploitative, and yes perhaps one day it will become a legal issue. Its extrodinary what people will defend especially considering they have a close personal relationship with bioware, even more so when they want to appear unbiased....

I know you are somehow related to bioware, its completely inappropriate to act as if your stake is simply "I like DLC" and somehow I am "raining on the parade". It is dishonest.

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 06 juin 2013 - 12:35 .

[Bizinha]

Could be worse: Buy Trilogy Pack and discover that ME2 comes without arrival and without any ME3 DLC (not EC)

[Eterna]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

DLC by its very nature is exploitative. Though its not illegal (as of yet ) it is pretty dodgy. Me3 is just among the worst offenders.

The most common argument in its support is that developers need money (while that is true its incredibly vague) and that it will result in bigger and better games, however its been years since the first dlc and I have not seen the "trickle down effect" of Reaganomics take effect.

If you don't like dlc then don't buy it. Personally I like DLC, don't rain on my parade just because you're cheap or don't wish to feel "exploited"

DLC will never be illegal because it is optional additional content. 

When dlc is about leviathan (the orgin of the reapers), protheans (the previous cycle hence orgin of "US!"), About the citadel which has more character interactions than the entirety of the main game.

It is no longer opitional it becomes essential, hence it is exploitative, and yes perhaps one day it will become a legal issue. Its extrodinary what people will defend especially considering they have a close personal relationship with bioware, even more so when they want to appear unbiased....

I know you are somehow related to bioware, its completely inappropriate to act as if your stake is simply "I like DLC" and somehow I am "raining on the parade". It is dishonest.

It is still optinal, bioware doesn't shut down your game and force you to buy it.

And I'm pretty sure it was clear I was joking about the whole Bioware thing. 

[FlamingBoy]

Eterna5 wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

DLC by its very nature is exploitative. Though its not illegal (as of yet ) it is pretty dodgy. Me3 is just among the worst offenders.

The most common argument in its support is that developers need money (while that is true its incredibly vague) and that it will result in bigger and better games, however its been years since the first dlc and I have not seen the "trickle down effect" of Reaganomics take effect.

If you don't like dlc then don't buy it. Personally I like DLC, don't rain on my parade just because you're cheap or don't wish to feel "exploited"

DLC will never be illegal because it is optional additional content. 

When dlc is about leviathan (the orgin of the reapers), protheans (the previous cycle hence orgin of "US!"), About the citadel which has more character interactions than the entirety of the main game.

It is no longer opitional it becomes essential, hence it is exploitative, and yes perhaps one day it will become a legal issue. Its extrodinary what people will defend especially considering they have a close personal relationship with bioware, even more so when they want to appear unbiased....

I know you are somehow related to bioware, its completely inappropriate to act as if your stake is simply "I like DLC" and somehow I am "raining on the parade". It is dishonest.

It is still optinal, bioware doesn't shut down your game and force you to buy it.

And I'm pretty sure it was clear I was joking about the whole Bioware thing. 

Argh why post the same answer over again, Counter the point I made not just repeating industry terms.

Hmm.. joking... I doubt it, it serves as one of the few rational explanations you given me over the past year, It explain you fervently. You take industry terms such as "optional, entitled, cheap" as if its your own and use at any given opportunity. It explains why you stalk me across the forums with the same undercut posts, trying to label me as some sort of "cheap" bastard, I write paragraphs and I get the same 2 line posts attacking me personally instead of a defence of the game. It is fustrating.

Lets face it mate, you should have been suspended a multitude of times for the stuff you have posted, but somehow you always get off scott-free. Some one asked you about it and you boasted, essentially as being untouchable.

Once again it is fustrating...

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 06 juin 2013 - 01:15 .