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[HappyApathy553]

 I'm not a big poster here but I REALLY need to vent my feelings right now.

Almost a year ago like many other players I had the extreme displeasure of discovering the horrifying "red, green, blue" ending choices that were presented in the final sequence of ME3, I had several shepards lined up to aim for the multitude of variable endings that had been promised (I believe there's a comment by the developers saying that during ME3's development) but after reaching the end the first time I ceased to have any desire to be forced to endure that mind numbing dissapointment again and ceased to play single player ME3 for months out of sheer disgust.

I remember not been able to sleep well that night after finding out that those really were the 3, the only 3, possible endings. I literally felt sick about the endings and couldn't believe this was what Bioware would do to its own creation.

Fast forward to today, I heard about about the extended cut and its 'new ending' and that some people were actually 'pleased' with what they saw, I made a point not to dig into the details about it as I didn't want to spoil it for myself, but I assumed this meant a 'happy' ending of some sort, however it still took the release of the Omega and Citadel DLC's to get me to finally decide to push for the ending again and really find out what this new ending was.

All the good feelings I got from playing the DLC's evaporated as I watched the sequnece for the 4th 'choice'...

Once again I felt that sickening knot in my stomach that I felt the first time as I stared at the screen in disbelief after chosing the 'refuse' ending, I was saying "No... No... No..." outloud as the credits rolled, once again an ending that has no relevance to your choices that dooms the galaxy in some way, no happy endings for shepard, no endiing that is effected by what you have done before.

What does Bioware have against giving an ending where you simply blow the Reapers to bits and live happily ever after? It may be cliché and not very philisophical, but it should be a choice, and one that actually has relevance to what choices you made throughout your journey in Mass Effect.

I had attempted to reach the ending this last time using my full Paragon (and personal favorite) Shepard in hopes of getting an end sequence like this:

As Shepard (female) gives a voice over speech about rebuilding and hope the future you watch as Wrex shouts in obvious rage and disagreement with a Salarian diplomat of some sort, finally he slams his fists on the table and storms out of the room, just as he exits Eve, who has been waiting at the door grabs his arm and they make eye contact, the fury on Wrex's face melts and gives way to a small smile, together they re-enter the room and return to the discussion table...

...the scene shifts to Rannoch, a group of Quarians (Tali included) are attempting to erect a large pole, perhaps for a temporary tent shelter, but as they hoist it up it begins to sway unsteadily, just before it topples a large Geth Prime reaches out and steadies it, the Quarians look up at their synthetic companion, you can't see their faces but you know they feel gratitude for the assistance...

...similar scenes pass, Garus is reunited with his family, James and Ashley (or perhaps Cortez) get hooked up, a sentimental moment between Joker and EDI, then finally, perhaps on a balconey overlooking the reconstruction of Thessia, or some verdent garden world far away from politics and conflict Shepard and Liara gaze out into the beyond, and then at each other, a small blue baby craddled in the Asari's arms, they smile as they imagine the possibilites of the future that awaits their child in the galaxy they have created together... the credits roll.

Of course an ending like this is obviously something Bioware would never consider implementing, its far too simple and does not force the player to do any major reflecting about the meaning of life and what not. Who the hell would like an ending that only leaves them with warm fuzzy feelings and satisfaction about a job well done, perhaps im to simple to understand the developers intentions but I still would like an ending that doesn't make me sick to the stomach and that gives me restless nights as I seeth with dissapointment, again.

I'm currently downloding a 'Happy Ending' Mod I found after experiencing the wretched 'extended' ending provided by Bioware, hopefully I can finally get a satisfying ending from it, even if it's cliché.

[bowboski]

HappyApathy553 wrote...

I remember not been able to sleep well that night after finding out that those really were the 3, the only 3, possible endings. I literally felt sick about the endings and couldn't believe this was what Bioware would do to its own creation.

I didn't hate the endings like most people did. And even if I did I would never lose sleep over it. Since the EC came out I rather like the ending's now, I got what I wanted out of it. I don't need a super happy ending with rainbows and unicorns to like it, I find it fitting that my Sheapard sacrificed himself for the rest of the galaxy. I never wanted a cliche ending where the hero saves the day and rides off into the sun set, I find that rather boring. But just because Shepard dies, doesn't mean that it's not a happy ending.

Modifié par bowboski, 05 juin 2013 - 05:19 .

[daaaav]

HappyApathy553 wrote...

 

Of course an ending like this is obviously something Bioware would never consider implementing, its far too simple and does not force the player to do any major reflecting about the meaning of life and what not. Who the hell would like an ending that only leaves them with warm fuzzy feelings and satisfaction about a job well done, perhaps im to simple to understand the developers intentions but I still would like an ending that doesn't make me sick to the stomach and that gives me restless nights as I seeth with dissapointment, again.

Here is the paragraph which I would say has the most value to both pro enders, anti enders and Bioware alike.The ending was a mess but not because it was not happy enough. It was nonsensical and frustrating and championed whatever mythology Bioware was attempting to create (space brat) over much needed focus on characters. 

[In Exile]

Lots of games can have surreal and thought provoking endings and be well received. Games can probably even have depressing as hell endings and be well remembered for it (e.g. Silent Hill, IMO).

The issue is whether you go in expecting depressing failure or not. And Bioware does simple B movie space opera. And ME3 was totally B movie space opera, especially through a (mostly) paragon playthrough where you are literally space jesus going aroudn and saving lives and doing the impossible.

To subvert all of that, to open your ending with a scene of absolute powerlessness in a game about a character who is just pure powered and basically worshiped by everyone, is going to make a lot of fans lose their **** because they never bought into a game that did something else.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

The 4th ending was funny, it had a good laugh so- yeah.

[MrFob]

Well, with the EC slapped onto the original endings, they actually do become rather happy. The epilogues show that - no matter what you choose - things will work out for the best and everyone is happy.
"Side effects" like killing the geth in Destroy or potentially violating peoples rights in Synthesis are gleefully glossed over and it seems like everyone is happy. The problem I have with this is that it doesn't make much sense and it stands in dire contrast to the horrific choice Shep has to make.
In general, my problem with the endings was not so much tat they are unhappy but that things just don't fit together very well, both within the endings and with the rest of the plot and narrative.
So, the happiness is actually there now, it just doesn't quite fit in IMO.

EDIT: Hope you'll like MEHEM, OP. Certainly sounds like you might enjoy it.

Modifié par MrFob, 05 juin 2013 - 05:48 .

[Nole]

The first time I experienced the ending I didn't feel anything wrong about it, I never felt that the Catalyst was out of place, that the choices he gave me were abhorrent and **** like that. And when I, after a seconds of thinking, finally picked Destroy and saw how the reapers were destroyed I felt really satisfied and happy with how my Shepard died, becoming a Legend to the whole Galaxy.

Then, I came to this forum and saw the thousands of "I hate the Ending" threads and I was like "Ok, nothing to do here," lol.

And while I liked the endings, I see why a lot of people hated it, and I see that it was mostly because they didn't get what they were promised, and people felt it more like a betrayal from Bioware. And maybe that's why I liked the endings, because I never really read about the promises from the developers and didn't follow all the hype from this forum or any other web page.

Modifié par WittingEight65, 05 juin 2013 - 05:32 .

[ShepnTali]

I understand OP. I do. I eventually got over it. It's still fun to snipe shield guys through the mail slot.

[Iakus]

EC was just a whitewash of the horrible things Shepard is forced to do to "save" the galaxy.

Bioware seemed to forget that even with a "clean" win the galaxy has been shattered. Both in damage done and lives lost in the actual war and the damage done to the relay in firing the Crucible. Was adding a morally highly suspect "choice" at the end really needed? Did Shepard's death really need to be forced, rather than left to how well prepared the galaxy's forces were and how well-executed the plan was?

Instead we get a broken AI's insane philosophy about organics and synthetics then get told to "conform or the galaxy dies"

Modifié par iakus, 05 juin 2013 - 05:37 .

[NeonFlux117]

Damn bro, it's been like 16 months or something, time to move on. But yeah, I feel ya. The endings of ME3 are absolutely terrible but it is what is. So......... Just move on already.

[dreamgazer]

[AtreiyaN7]

Look, you have the MEHEM ending (or will once it's done downloading) - so enjoy it/whatever.

The fundamental problem I have with a "happy" ending a la the one you describe is that it doesn't strike me as being particularly believable. There is just no way that you can possibly win against the Reapers through conventional warfare. Thessia is lost, and most of the various species are trying to defend their home systems with minimal forces to spare. I don't see anyone somehow manufacturing a huge armada that can actually take on the Reapers successfully when everyone seems to be barely holding on.

I've only ever really said that I'm okay with the endings (original and EC) and that I found the concepts interesting despite the lack of execution, so I don't disagree with certain criticisms. But honestly...get over it - the emo reactions/venting got old sometime last year.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 05 juin 2013 - 06:44 .

[Sebby]

Have some OP for your tears.



It's okay man, you're not the only one who failed to notice the ending was "foreshadowed" by the likes of Lazarus.

[dreamgazer]

Seboist wrote...

It's okay man, you're not the only one who failed to notice the ending was "foreshadowed" by the likes of Lazarus.

Or the likes of our favorite MacGuffin-ex-Machina, the Conduit.

[TheBlackBaron]

J. Reezy wrote...

Seriously though, topics like this are so full of the melodrama that I'm surprised they get even one iota of a serious response anymore.

Passive-aggressive trolling should just be everybody's response to the BSN these days. 

[Sebby]

dreamgazer wrote...

Seboist wrote...

It's okay man, you're not the only one who failed to notice the ending was "foreshadowed" by the likes of Lazarus.

Or the likes of our favorite MacGuffin-ex-Machina, the Conduit.

Nice try but no.

D- for effort.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

I personally don't see why people can't be mature and simply disagree with the OP instead of making fun of them and posting pictures.

Seriously, they're just expressing their opinion. If you have something hateful to say or post, just **** off.

Modifié par favoritehookeronthecitadel, 05 juin 2013 - 06:11 .

[dreamgazer]

Seboist wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Seboist wrote...

It's okay man, you're not the only one who failed to notice the ending was "foreshadowed" by the likes of Lazarus.

Or the likes of our favorite MacGuffin-ex-Machina, the Conduit.

Nice try but no.

D- for effort.

Keep telling yourself that, Seb.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ugh....another Thread like this? Damn.

I know it's someone's opinon. But I can express my opinion as well: People who hate the Endings do not have to constantly remind others how disappointed they are of it. It drags. We know already. They have been milking this cow for what....more than a year now? The cow is bone dry. Let it go.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 05 juin 2013 - 06:14 .

[Sebby]

dreamgazer wrote...

Seboist wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Seboist wrote...

It's okay man, you're not the only one who failed to notice the ending was "foreshadowed" by the likes of Lazarus.

Or the likes of our favorite MacGuffin-ex-Machina, the Conduit.

Nice try but no.

D- for effort.

Keep telling yourself that, Seb.

By all means explain how it wrecks the overall plot like Lazarus.

[andy6915]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Ugh....another Thread like this? Damn.

I know it's someone's opinon. But I can express my opinion as well: People who hate the Endings do not have to constantly remind others how disappointed they are of it. It drags. We know already. They have been milking this cow for what....more than a year now? The cow is bone dry. Let it go.

I agree. Jee-zus people, get over it already.