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[Zjarcal]

quebra wrote...

Ever try to solo a deactivate objective solo, or on PLATINUM?  You'll be wanting duration then I assure you.  It's what I run on my SHADOW.

Wanting it? Yes.

Actually choosing it just for that specific situation? Nah, it's not like you can't do devices with the other characters that don't have cloak anyway.

[RedJohn]

[quote]MaxShine wrote...

Huntress and Shadow are great with duration... Using duration you can get away with a 66660 build on the Huntress and use a power amp. With the Shadow I need duration and bonus power otherwise I will get shot to pieces instantly by any burst fire guy that happens to see me after the Shadow strike[/quote]
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Wtih the shadow yes, but it's because of her nature.


With the huntress in the other hand, if you spec for duration and you use your powers and decloak before 5 seconds then i'm afraid you are wasting damage output and not serving the purpose of the evolution you are taking.

Considering that you would take Bonus Power let's say that you Cloak, 1 second later you use Dark channel and then you decide either to use dark channel again, warp or just shot your weapon then you will break cloak and if that took you 5-6 seconds then you are not really using that evo except for some situations.

[RedJohn]

quebra wrote...

Ever try to solo a deactivate objective solo, or on PLATINUM?  You'll be wanting duration then I assure you.  It's what I run on my SHADOW.

Yes to both and you actually don't need a character with tactical cloak to solo gold or planitum even if you get devices as objective on wave 10.


EDIT: 

Modifié par RedJohn, 05 juin 2013 - 04:22 .

[baldmop]

I think it depends completely on your play style with the infiltrator. I look at it this way if you are going to run as a weapons platform you take damage . If you are going to run as a support platform you take duration ( Great medics ) .

[quebra]

RedJohn wrote...

quebra wrote...

Ever try to solo a deactivate objective solo, or on PLATINUM?  You'll be wanting duration then I assure you.  It's what I run on my SHADOW.

Yes to both and you actually don't need a character with tactical cloak to solo gold or planitum even if you get devices as objective on wave 10.


EDIT: 

 Nobody said "NEED", but for a WAVE 10 deactivation on PLAT, I'll take that duration any time.  Never let' em' see you sweat.

[Miniditka77]

Duration is not useless.  Sorry to state the obvious, but it lets you stay invisible longer so you can evade the enemy more easily.  This may not matter for an elite player who has Level X UR weapons and can enhance survivability by killing everything as fast as possible.  But on someone who isn't that good or well-equipped, survivability can be enhanced more easily by not letting the enemy target you.  Killing stuff more quickly is nice, but if that's not happening, you'll do better alive with a 40% damage bonus instead of in Spectator Mode with an 80% damage bonus.

That said, I use Damage on every infiltrator other than the Shadow.

Modifié par Miniditka77, 05 juin 2013 - 04:32 .

[Miniditka77]

Nik6454 wrote...

Even shadow can be more effective with damage cloak, the target you just slashed is still alive ( shouldnt be with the right spec and consumables ) use your talon,wraith,claymoar, pirahna, hurricane to finish them, much faster than double slashing......also if you get a hang of her HM just melee kill them, a gold phantom can be taken down with a single slash-shot or melee.....

Tl;dr ? i find duration not so useful on the shadow too

Sayth what ??

Stop being lazy and read above

I use duration and bonus power on the Shadow, but I often don't use it for double striking.  Even if you only strike once, it allows you to strike any enemy, anywhere, with very little regard for surroundings and circumstances, and then gives you time to get away to cover before shooting.  This can be very useful, for example, to pick off a Phantom that may be surrounded by a couple of Dragoons or Centurions.

[dudemacha]

Miniditka77 wrote...

Nik6454 wrote...

Even shadow can be more effective with damage cloak, the target you just slashed is still alive ( shouldnt be with the right spec and consumables ) use your talon,wraith,claymoar, pirahna, hurricane to finish them, much faster than double slashing......also if you get a hang of her HM just melee kill them, a gold phantom can be taken down with a single slash-shot or melee.....

Tl;dr ? i find duration not so useful on the shadow too

Sayth what ??

Stop being lazy and read above

I use duration and bonus power on the Shadow, but I often don't use it for double striking.  Even if you only strike once, it allows you to strike any enemy, anywhere, with very little regard for surroundings and circumstances, and then gives you time to get away to cover before shooting.  This can be very useful, for example, to pick off a Phantom that may be surrounded by a couple of Dragoons or Centurions.

Sure but you may be better off with choosing damage in cloak and DR,shield drain in SS and still maintain high enough damage to one shot most foes ( including dragoons ) while still being not so squishy. My build is kinda weird in that i took damage and bonus power, full weapons in passive and health, martial artist and armor damage in sword mastery. This way i have enough time to SS, melee,and shoot while having the damage boost ( as far as i observed ).

[Angry_Elcor]

I have this feeling this might be one of those thread titles that was designed to provoke a reaction. But, wait... no... no one around here would ever do such a thing.

[KalilKareem]

If you want to solo devices just play a volus mercenary sentinel. Cloak + decoy > duration cloak. To get guys soloing devices with duration cloaks; has it ever occured to you that if you didnt spec a useless evolution on your most important ability you might not have to solo so much?

[landylan]

I thought the same thing when GodlessPaladin got it changed like this. All the players with common sense will take damage. It didn't really change much.

[Qui-Gon Glenn]

Agree with OP with one exception: N7 Shadow. Especially on a Shadow Strike build, for the Bonus Power evolution.

Using Bonus Power evo with Damage on the 4th evo makes zero sense to me... very rare occasion where you can both get off the second power in time and actually be in a situation that can take advantage of it.

Modifié par Qui-Gon Glenn, 05 juin 2013 - 04:51 .

[Tallgeese_VII]

Everytime, It`s really no point telling people about duration because people claim only damage to be useful don`t really have any intention to listen but are prepared only for others to recognize their bad-ass epeen.

They need to leave duration alone and move one to "Bonust power evo is useless".
You guys have been at this for far too long. Move on guys.

[OuterRim]

Two reasons to use duration: Playing with PUGs and if you plan to spec into Bonus Power. Otherwise damage all the way.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I think Duration is the most useful of all evos, because it does the best thing ever: makes all the enemies go after you instead of me. 

[cronshaw]

I feel like if there were fewer people who felt a duration speced infiltrator was necessary for disabling devices, fewer matches would fail

[Zjarcal]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

I think Duration is the most useful of all evos, because it does the best thing ever: makes all the enemies go after you instead of me. 

That's only useful if you're a scrub who can't kill em like a baws.

[Nicegil2012]

My brother always goes for durations. I don't go for it but i am always grateful when we get devices and the can take care of those. He can also revive us when we get overwhelmed.

[Ziegrif]

It's good when starting out and yo don't know whe to stick your arse out of cover.
When you figure that out and add a little situational awareness to the mix duration becomes obsolete.
The enemy will see you anyway if you're the ´last one alive and will still keep shooting at your general direction when you cloak.

Modifié par Ziegrif, 05 juin 2013 - 05:29 .

[Red the Aloof]

My Asari Huntress runs duration because of it's utility. Most of my damage comes from warp ammo on primed targets while dark channel finishes them off. I frequently play pugs, so I find duration a more attractive option as it increases my survivability, as it allows me to safely revive teammates, and disable to awful devices in unholy areas of the map. Note, however, she's the only infiltrator I run duration.

As for my shadow, I run damage and bonus power. My reasoning being, I still get the damage boost from my shotgun immediately after I shadow strike (If I'm right). I would cloak/shadow strike, and with that small window of opportunity, kill another enemy with the raider. This essentially allows me to kill two enemies with just one cloak.
Alternatively, I can add more damage to armored enemies with the bonus power. Cloak, shadow strike a scion on the other side of the map, and unload two direct Raider shots right before cloak runs out.
Or I can put some points in Electric slash

Modifié par Red the Aloof, 05 juin 2013 - 05:30 .

[UnknownMercenary]

Zjarcal wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

I think Duration is the most useful of all evos, because it does the best thing ever: makes all the enemies go after you instead of me. 

That's only useful if you're a scrub who can't kill em like a baws.

Reminds me of pre-nerf TC days. I had my newbie friends play Silver with me when the game came out, and they found it really hard because I was using an infiltrator. :innocent:

[quebra]

KalilKareem wrote...

If you want to solo devices just play a volus mercenary sentinel. Cloak + decoy > duration cloak. To get guys soloing devices with duration cloaks; has it ever occured to you that if you didnt spec a useless evolution on your most important ability you might not have to solo so much?

Perhaps consider that I'm soloing the objective because everyone else is dead?  Consider that properly equipped, I can still remain cloaked and 2 cut almost anything (brute) on GOLD properly speced.  Granted extended duration makes NO sense what so ever on say the HUNTRESS, but on a SHADOW it makes perfect sense.

While the SHADOW so specd can actually contribute some DPS, the same cannot be said of that VOLUS.

Please don't mention a gun-crutch (ie. "if I were armed with a Harrier x, or a PPR, 10, etc.).  A gun-crutch can compansate for any crap build... it's more about the gun than it is the character/player.

[Nitrocuban]

RedJohn wrote...
The duration has no real purpose because the enemy can see you anyways

l2p LEL

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Zjarcal wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

I think Duration is the most useful of all evos, because it does the best thing ever: makes all the enemies go after you instead of me. 

That's only useful if you're a scrub who can't kill em like a baws.

Never attribute to incompetence that which can be explained by malice: Why do all the killing, when I can get some fool to do it for me? 

[oO Stryfe Oo]

I'm very fond of duration. Most of my infiltrators have it because 40% works fine. I have little problem killing anything with it, and contrary to popular belief the TC can hide you from enemies pretty well, even in a solo. The extra time is a nice ace up my sleeve to have for when **** gets real or when someone goes down across the map. The only time I'll consider damage over duration is for Plat. Everything else is easy enough.