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[scoopapa1]

Duration is less useful than Damage, that doesn't make it useless. Being less useful would lead many people here to use the classic BSN misuse of the term "outclassed" for it, but really "less useful" is the appropriate description.

Duration cloak is basically just useful for the more difficult objectives (and targets if you're using your missiles on them) and for reviving your teammates. Damage, on the other hand, is better for killing things faster. It's also the one that helps you in an ideal scenario (whereas duration helps when things are going poorly). I would call "classic BSN" again in this regard, favoring the thing that helps you in a points race rather than the one that helps you when you're up against the ropes, but in this case I have to admit that the duration is significantly more situational than damage.

Maybe Duration would be good on a human or quarian that wants to land accurate sticky nades, giving you the time to, say: release chargeup acolyte>use cryoblast or sabotage>run up close enough to land lots of sticky nades>run away, switch to harrier>unload with harrier. Even the shadow can land two attacks under the damage cloak, so I don't particularly like duration on that, either.

[ASmoothCriminalx]

Platinum PuGs say otherwise. If I only played gold, then I would do things differently with a lot of classes, but I rarely play gold. Who needs fitness for classes with DR and/or high base shields? etc.

Also, Enemies don't see through your cloak if you know what you are doing, in very short range they will hear you. Don't get close then..

Modifié par ASmoothCriminalx, 06 juin 2013 - 01:27 .

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Ok, so from what I'm reading;

Duration: Teamfiltrators

Damage: Deee-Peee-Esss.


To be fair, Platinum is just a middle finger to every class that isn't putting out insane DPS. Since I don't play Platinum that often, I'd say Duration might look a tad bit better to me than to the BSN 3l337, who solo for the hell of it.

[Tallgeese_VII]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

Ok, so from what I'm reading;

Duration: Teamfiltrators

Damage: Deee-Peee-Esss.


To be fair, Platinum is just a middle finger to every class that isn't putting out insane DPS. Since I don't play Platinum that often, I'd say Duration might look a tad bit better to me than to the BSN 3l337, who solo for the hell of it.

The bottom line is, duration is far from being useless.

It`s just that some of those who choose only damage (believing it`s way better than duration) somehow want to make fool out of people who choose duration and want some recognition for doing so. (I have no idea why)

Anyway, any infiltrator who is duration specced and I notice it during device hacking objective gets automatic respect from me.

[FeralJester616]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

Ok, so from what I'm reading;

Duration: Teamfiltrators

Damage: Deee-Peee-Esss.


To be fair, Platinum is just a middle finger to every class that isn't putting out insane DPS. Since I don't play Platinum that often, I'd say Duration might look a tad bit better to me than to the BSN 3l337, who solo for the hell of it.

Exactly what I'm seeing too.
Also my duration cloak SI has no problem getting to the top of the scores either, especially in pugs. 
If I really feel the need to play plat then I run other classes, but the SI has always been one of my faves (Widow, Black Widow or Indra, with Scorpion as backup).

[The Rainbow Reaper]

I don't use duration, simply because I've never wiped due to a bad 4 devices. (Maybe once or twice, its hard to remember every game)

[Endorlf]

I exclusively PUG, so I need the insurance that duration provides.

[Titus Thongger]

Endorlf wrote...

I exclusively PUG, so I need the insurance that duration provides.

[Taritu]

Duration is great for the four activation challenge.

I like duration, don't take it on most of my infils, but I have it on my Shadow and one of my shotgun infis, and they both rack up kills just fine.

[KalilKareem]

quebra wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

quebra wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

If you want to solo devices just play a volus mercenary sentinel. Cloak + decoy > duration cloak. To get guys soloing devices with duration cloaks; has it ever occured to you that if you didnt spec a useless evolution on your most important ability you might not have to solo so much?

Perhaps consider that I'm soloing the objective because everyone else is dead?  Consider that properly equipped, I can still remain cloaked and 2 cut almost anything (brute) on GOLD properly speced.  Granted extended duration makes NO sense what so ever on say the HUNTRESS, but on a SHADOW it makes perfect sense.

While the SHADOW so specd can actually contribute some DPS, the same cannot be said of that VOLUS.

Please don't mention a gun-crutch (ie. "if I were armed with a Harrier x, or a PPR, 10, etc.).  A gun-crutch can compansate for any crap build... it's more about the gun than it is the character/player.

Perhaps if you specced properly your team wouldnt have beern overrun in the first place? 

"Gun-crutch" .... What kind of non-sense is that? Play with good guns. 

Oh I see it's a speccing problem on my part?

So yer saying, my saving the match round after round isn't good enuff, and that somehow my build causes 3 other people to die round after round, while I go on to carry the thing?  Try again ya gun-crutcher!

My profile is public.

Yes. This game is all about DPS, everything else is marginalized by its importance. If you have loads of DPS its totally easy and noone dies. Since loads of people (like yourself) fails to realize this the game becomes much harder in a PUG context. But as a team player you are contributing vastly more to your teams success by speccing your cloak for maximum DPS.

For you information: The difference between a harier I and a harrier X is 20% damage. Thats your precious "gun crutch". 20%. And you are causally speccing out of 40% damage buff to gain a minor survivability boost during one specific type of objective that is likely going to be ruined by you team mates rushing to the objective as well anyway. I am sorry, but duration cloak is just an awful choice, in PARTICULAR in PUG and in PARTICULAR on platinum difficulty.

For the record I run all my infiltrators damage specced, current favourite being SI with damage + bonus power to give a full 4 round from my crusader X under cloak + proxy damage buff. I very rarely fail to carry my platinum pugs to full extraction with this kit and full consumables. Call it "gun crutch" all you like. I call it "playing well".

Modifié par KalilKareem, 06 juin 2013 - 04:57 .

[RakeWorm]

Like others, Shadow is the only kit I use duration on.

[CitizenThom]

I used to spec duration... until Geth Anythings, Marauders, etc started shooting at me while I was cloaked, after I came around a corner. Duration was handy for doing disarm/deactivate objectives.

If Tactical Cloak actually worked correctly, sure there would be some virtue to the survivability that duration might add. But as the game is, hard to make any argument for duration.

[Scutshakes]

Duration works great on the Drell Infiltrator, for reviving and reactive/deactive runs, as well as keeping invisible while you launch mines and grenades. But it's still a matter of personal preference because that's a huge boost to very powerful explosions..

I also like duration/bonus power on the Shadow for when I need to relocate after a quick shadow strike. Again, it has a speed bonus so I use it as a runner like the Drell.

The others, I can see duration not being of very much use. More of a novelty for them.

[Angry_Elcor]

KalilKareem wrote...

Yes. This game is all about DPS, everything else is marginalized by its importance.

I think you mean that you marginalize everything else because of its perceived importance to you. This game is all about fun, to me, and if I can spec for duration, and still carry a PuG while enjoying myself, I'm perfectly happy. That's why people play all-Volus Sentinel Platinum Games. It isn't for the DPS.

[mol6x7]

RedJohn wrote...

I don't see a real use on it because there is no reason to take it over damage.

The duration has no real purpose because the enemy can see you anyways and hear you as well.

Besides, if you take the duration evo and don't kill ( or just hide for over 9 seconds ) you might be wasting time, giving the enemy time to surround you.

Of course, this is just my opinion.

But if IM not right then please show me the truth.

Okay, here goes:

Everyone has different play styles. I personally dislike playing Infiltrators, even though 90% of everyone else loves the crap out of their cheesy sniper/cloak stuff.

On the odd occasion that I do play one, I only buy cloak up to 4, and take duration, because that makes it the most effective for what I use it for, which is objectives, revives, and running away.

Also, if you use a power with a recharge while cloak is active, the recharge time becomes the one for the power, not cloak, so combine it with a low-speed power, and the extra duration gives you more time to fire off something else and get the lower recharge.

Hey, if you like it like you like, then have at, man. But that's why duration evo works for me.