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[TK514]

BouncyFrag wrote...

I just figured they were as sick of him as I was.

[Angrywolves]

It's prosecute. However if still alive despite my champions stabbing him he should be executed for blowing up the chantry in any case.

[Lulupab]

David Gaider hinted there will be replacement characters in DA3. This is most likely about Anders as we are given a choice like an ultimatum to keep him alive or not. There is no one else coming to mind but Anders. So count on being disappointed when you see Anders in DA3 when a save that he was kept alive was imported.

[Chiramu]

Angrywolves wrote...

It's prosecute.

No, the OP had it right in the title, there is "persecute" and "prosecute" both are real and true words, look them up in the dictionary.

[Demx]

Rassler wrote...

David Gaider hinted there will be replacement characters in DA3. This is most likely about Anders as we are given a choice like an ultimatum to keep him alive or not. There is no one else coming to mind but Anders. So count on being disappointed when you see Anders in DA3 when a save that he was kept alive was imported.

You could send Fenris with Danarius and Isabela with the Qunari. Not to mention if you are not friends with someone and they choose to side against you, you can kill them.

[Angrywolves]

I though it was prosecute like the jodi arias trial. As it is I killed Anders twice so he shouldn't show up in DAI for me.

[Plaintiff]

The Grey Wardens are a big bag of dicks. Without the oversight of my warden commander, I wouldn't trust them to make any decision that wasn't utterly morally bankrupt. And if I'm required to kill some in order to save Anders, that's what I'm going to do.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 05 juin 2013 - 11:23 .

[Lulupab]

Siradix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

David Gaider hinted there will be replacement characters in DA3. This is most likely about Anders as we are given a choice like an ultimatum to keep him alive or not. There is no one else coming to mind but Anders. So count on being disappointed when you see Anders in DA3 when a save that he was kept alive was imported.

You could send Fenris with Danarius and Isabela with the Qunari. Not to mention if you are not friends with someone and they choose to side against you, you can kill them.

Yet none of them are as important is Anders. All other encounters you mentioed are ignorable. Anders's situation is not and is forced.

[Wulfram]

Chiramu wrote...

They have blood mages in the Warden ranks, I don't think the Wardens would persecute someone over what Anders did. They do "whatever it takes" to stop the Blight, a quote Alistair himself forgot when it came to recruit Loghain.

Thing is, Anders fighting a war against the Chantry risks complicating their fight against a darkspawn.  Letting a Mage Warden, who they saved from execution by conscription, wage war against the chantry risks discrediting the Right of Conscription and casting doubt on their neutrality.

[TK514]

Rassler wrote...

David Gaider hinted there will be replacement characters in DA3. This is most likely about Anders as we are given a choice like an ultimatum to keep him alive or not. There is no one else coming to mind but Anders. So count on being disappointed when you see Anders in DA3 when a save that he was kept alive was imported.

I'd ask why someone who kept him alive would be disappointed to hear about him/see him again in DA:I.  I imagine most people who keep him alive actually like him.

Now me, If I support the mages, I kill him on the spot.  I figure being executed by the Mage who goes on to save the Mages of the Kirkwall Circle and who is pretty much credited with starting the Mage/Templar War guts any chance of him being viewed as a martyr, or remembered in any positive way.  I doubt anyone will revile him posthumously, but I can hope.  I won't really be disappointed regardless, because he'll still be dead.

If I support the Templars, I make sure to have him at 100% Rivalry, do his Act 3 Questioning Beliefs, then leave him alive and force him to help me Annul the Circle.  In which case I look forward to seeing him in DA:I.  Assuming he doesn't follow through and kill himself.

[Angrywolves]

I used the word contrived with Merrill and Anders. I don't have a DA2 save with him alive.

[Lulupab]

Yes the replacement character has to be Anders because if I say Anders plays a bigger role than Hawke you can't outright deny it and its debatable. There is no way to not recruit him and he is the most important companion because DA2 is simply about Mage vs Templar and Anders plays the biggest role in it. Hawke is only as important cause of his role in defeating the qunari.

Anyway to eyes of many mages Anders is indeed a martyr. Ironically one of his spells is named martyr. besides Anders is overpowered. He makes every party successful.

Anders + hawke + any party members you want is a successful party.

[Mr.House]

Um my Warden was still commander of the gray in DA2.....

Where is the OP getting this stuff about the warden leaving the order and a new warden coming in?

[LobselVith8]

Mykel54 wrote...

This is something that has been bothering me for some time, and after researching it i have no found any real answers.

First, a recap of the known events. Anders was an apostate who fled the templars and ended up in Amaranthine, there, he was conscripted by the wardens (either the player, or a npc), adopted a homeless cat, and met Justice in Kristoff´s body. After the darkspawn assault, he either fled again (died in the game) or he stayed with the wardens (survived in the game).

After the player warden or npc warden left, a new warden commander took over. This warden allowed Rolan, a former templar, to join the wardens. This was apparently a compromise between the chantry and the wardens because they did not trust Anders. In the end, they were right, because Anders was convinced to become a willing host by Justice, thus becoming an abomination.

Technically, the Hero of Ferelden as the default Arl of Amaranthine and the Warden-Commander, or the Orlesian Commander of the Grey, should have been in charge at this time, since the Commander doesn't leave until the events of Witch Hunt (and only then when the Hero of Ferelden leaves with a romanced Morrigan). It never made much sense to me that either potential protagonist would allow Rolan into the Grey Wardens, especially if the protagonist is pro-mage.

It also never made sense that Greagoir would stir things with the Grey Wardens when we already see how Greagoir capitulates to the Crown in the US Ending for the Magi Hero of Ferelden. The Knight-Commander who accepts the ruling of the new ruler of Ferelden to emancipate the mages and give them their autonomy is going to make demands from the Grey Wardens? Or do we assume that someone less powerful than Greagoir in the templar ranks is making demands from the Wardens, which is even more absurd.

I suppose I could see Stroud letting Rolan into the Wardens if the Warden-Commander never recruited Anders, with Rylock still alive and causing a fuss.

Mykel54 wrote...

When the wardens found out, they brought the templars to capture him, and while fleeing Anders ended up killing several templars and wardens. Among them was Rolan, which was a grey warden by then. All right, so the question that arise is the following:

Anders claims in DA2 that he is fleeing the wardens, supposedly because they want him back. Yet when he meets Stroud in the deep roads/the qunari attack, or in the legacy dlc, they show no intention at all in capturing him. Duncan killed Jory because he was not allowed to turn back on being a warden, he knew too much. How is that Anders is not a threat to keeping the warden´s secrets, well, secret?

The short story for Anders never made much sense, especially with an invincible Anders eating human flesh being as far removed as possible from the actual Anders we encounter in Kirkwall, who certainly isn't invincible or a cannibal.

Mykel54 wrote...

If Anders "died" in awakening, it could make some sense as a reason why he managed to evade the wardens, because they though he was dead. Accepting this however breaks the continuity of the story, as he must have merged with justice in a different way, and dislike the wardens for different reasons other than being ****s and forcing him to give up his cat.

I fail how Ander´s story can be explained in the context of what we know about the wardens. I just find hard to believe that they would allow him to get away with:
- murder of rolan and other wardens
- betraying the wardens and going rogue
- breaking the warden neutrality and attacking chantry agents (templars)
- allowing himself to become an abomination and thus threatening the warden´s relations with the authorities

Considering that Anders can fake his death if he's left behind in Vigil's Keep (the rectonned explanation for how Anders is alive if he was killed in a non-upgraded Vigil's Keep), some of those events wouldn't even be a factor. Although even that scenario calls into question why he gave up Sir Pounce-A-Lot - there are many inconsistencies with Anders' storyline.

Mykel54 wrote...

He does all these things, and yet when one warden that knows him (Stroud) meets Anders, he never accuse him of anything just saying "i thought you were done fighting darkspawn". 

Stroud mentions that they are "even" if he accepts Hawke's brother or sister into the Wardens. I guess there's something more between them than we know.

[Mr.House]

Shroud and Anders had a debt. The debt is never fully explored but one can assume the debt ties with Anders slaughter when he merged with Justice and went on the run.

[ShadowLordXII]

Act I: By the time the wardens met Anders, it seems that they thought he was dead.

Act II: Between Anders' own elusiveness and the escalating qunari tension in Kirkwall...they couldn't find enough conclusive proof to send anyone to bring him in.

Act III: Again Kirkwall's harsh tension made direct/indirect warden activity unwise. Plus, Anders is either dead or on the run in the middle of an embroiling Mage-Templar war spreading throughout Thedas.

[KENNY4753]

I feel stupid for asking but where did that Anders short story come from?

But to this threads question...It is quite simple. Anders is still working for the Wardens. I am not saying they told him to blow up the chantry. A lot of the reasons are similar to the ones in the thread I made a while back about how Bodahn is still working for the Wardens as a spy (http://social.biowar.../index/14503941).

[TK514]

Huh. In my pro-Mage games he's a few cameo appearances before I kill him. I do a mission with him for my maps, insult him in a conversation or two, kill some Templars in Dissent then tell him he's an abomination and kick him out of my party so hard he leaves his clinic and the character select screen. I see him once more in a Varric scene where he tucks tail and runs when I enter the room, then I don't see him again until I kill him. He's hardly more important than Hawke, since he basically does 1 thing of note the entire game.

And I refute your statement that DA2 is about Templars vs Mages. It isn't. DA2 is about the problems of Kirkwall, and the situation in the Kirkwall Circle is just one of many problems in the city. Which is why an entire Act, in my opinion the best section of the game, focuses directly on the Qunari.

DA:I might be about Mages vs Templars, but we don't have enough info yet to say if that's all it will be about. The subject of the upcoming novel suggests there will possibly be an Elves vs Orlais or an Orlais vs Orlais section as well, so the whole MvT conflict may not last more than an Act.

edit:  I thought I quoted, but this was a relply to Rassler.  I'll fix it when I'm not on my mobile.

Modifié par TK514, 06 juin 2013 - 12:07 .

[gangly369]

It`s also important to note that, as Anders himself puts it, you never truly leave the Wardens. Eventually, they all end up down in the Deep Roads, so it probably is not that big of an issue for Wardens if someone decides to go rogue and leave. One way or another, a Warden will fulfill their duty to fight Darkspawn, whether they want to or not.

[Demx]

Rassler wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

David Gaider hinted there will be replacement characters in DA3. This is most likely about Anders as we are given a choice like an ultimatum to keep him alive or not. There is no one else coming to mind but Anders. So count on being disappointed when you see Anders in DA3 when a save that he was kept alive was imported.

You could send Fenris with Danarius and Isabela with the Qunari. Not to mention if you are not friends with someone and they choose to side against you, you can kill them.

Yet none of them are as important is Anders. All other encounters you mentioed are ignorable. Anders's situation is not and is forced.

You can't say the rest are ignorable. People are stilled pissed that Leliana has plot armor.

[kinderschlager]

Mykel54 wrote...

This is something that has been bothering me for some time, and after researching it i have no found any real answers.

First, a recap of the known events. Anders was an apostate who fled the templars and ended up in Amaranthine, there, he was conscripted by the wardens (either the player, or a npc), adopted a homeless cat, and met Justice in Kristoff´s body. After the darkspawn assault, he either fled again (died in the game) or he stayed with the wardens (survived in the game).

After the player warden or npc warden left, a new warden commander took over. This warden allowed Rolan, a former templar, to join the wardens. This was apparently a compromise between the chantry and the wardens because they did not trust Anders. In the end, they were right, because Anders was convinced to become a willing host by Justice, thus becoming an abomination.

When the wardens found out, they brought the templars to capture him, and while fleeing Anders ended up killing several templars and wardens. Among them was Rolan, which was a grey warden by then. All right, so the question that arise is the following:

Anders claims in DA2 that he is fleeing the wardens, supposedly because they want him back. Yet when he meets Stroud in the deep roads/the qunari attack, or in the legacy dlc, they show no intention at all in capturing him. Duncan killed Jory because he was not allowed to turn back on being a warden, he knew too much. How is that Anders is not a threat to keeping the warden´s secrets, well, secret?

If Anders "died" in awakening, it could make some sense as a reason why he managed to evade the wardens, because they though he was dead. Accepting this however breaks the continuity of the story, as he must have merged with justice in a different way, and dislike the wardens for different reasons other than being ****s and forcing him to give up his cat.

I fail how Ander´s story can be explained in the context of what we know about the wardens. I just find hard to believe that they would allow him to get away with:
- murder of rolan and other wardens
- betraying the wardens and going rogue
- breaking the warden neutrality and attacking chantry agents (templars)
- allowing himself to become an abomination and thus threatening the warden´s relations with the authorities

He does all these things, and yet when one warden that knows him (Stroud) meets Anders, he never accuse him of anything just saying "i thought you were done fighting darkspawn".

link to info? as far as i know, if it didn't happen in a game, the devs have said it isn't cannon, soooo...

[berelinde]

Why haven't the Wardens persecuted Anders? They still might. Assuming that they don't have more important things to do, of course, like fighting darkspawn or ending Blights. And don't forget that not all Wardens abstain from politics. They all but rule the Anderfells, so the official policy of non-interference is not universally enforced. As for Roland's murder, Genvieve's reaction to Duncan's murder of her husband, a Grey Warden, was to conscript Duncan, so it seems that they do not go out of their way to punish people for killing other Wardens. I guess those of us who kept Anders alive will find out in the next game. Or maybe we won't.

[schalafi]

KENNY4753 wrote...

I feel stupid for asking but where did that Anders short story come from?

But to this threads question...It is quite simple. Anders is still working for the Wardens. I am not saying they told him to blow up the chantry. A lot of the reasons are similar to the ones in the thread I made a while back about how Bodahn is still working for the Wardens as a spy (http://social.biowar.../index/14503941).

I don't know what short story people are referring to either. Would someone be kind enough to enlighten us?
Never mind, I found it. http://social.biowar...0/index/6997022

oops!

Modifié par schalafi, 06 juin 2013 - 02:05 .

[PlasmaCheese]

Fifth person to ask. Who is Rolan and what is this "short story"?

Edit: Neverminnd. Thanks for the link.

Modifié par PlasmaCheese, 06 juin 2013 - 02:05 .