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[Bekkael]

Angrywolves wrote...

I though it was prosecute like the jodi arias trial. As it is I killed Anders twice so he shouldn't show up in DAI for me.

Do you think you can get rid of him so easily? You have to kill him at least three times, minimum. :innocent:

[Mykel54]

This is the short story, written by Jennifer Hepler as introduction for DA2
http://na.llnet.biow...ries/anders.pdf

Edit: already posted

Modifié par Mykel54, 06 juin 2013 - 02:15 .

[KENNY4753]

@schalafi thanks for the link

[Mr.House]

Nowhere in that short story did it say the Commander of the Grey left. Also thanks for reminding me why I hate Anders >.>

Modifié par Mr.House, 06 juin 2013 - 04:30 .

[IanPolaris]

I think the reason the Wardens haven't bothered with Anders is:

1. There aren't that many wardens to start with especially since the blight.

2. Of the top 100 things for the wardens to worry about, tracking down one troublemaking warden deserter (that was never completely happy in the wardens to begin with) ranked about a thousand and one on the priority list.

For what it's worth, you saw that a lot with armies and Orders of Knighthood even as late as the late 19th century. While the punishments for desertion were often severe, most armies didn't have the paperwork, or administrative records and skill to keep track of deserters let alone track them down. In the 30 years wars, there were peasents who would make a living out of joining and then deserting various merc armies (and often rejoining the same army they deserted earlier)!

-Polaris

[Nightdragon8]

erilben wrote...

DuskWarden wrote...

I don't quite remember, but does Anders show any hint of being an abomination to Stroud or Nathaniel anyway?

The Anders short story has Wardens agreeing with the templars that they can't have an abomination in the Wardens, so they send some Wardens after him. Anders kills them. It doesn't make any sense that Nathaniel wouldn't know about that.

then isn't it safe to assume that has nothing to do with the game at all, and IMO should be considering a Fanfic

[LobselVith8]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

erilben wrote...

The Anders short story has Wardens agreeing with the templars that they can't have an abomination in the Wardens, so they send some Wardens after him. Anders kills them. It doesn't make any sense that Nathaniel wouldn't know about that.

then isn't it safe to assume that has nothing to do with the game at all, and IMO should be considering a Fanfic

Considering that there's no reason for the Warden-Commander to capitulate to the templars about letting in an obvious spy into their ranks or for the templars cause a fuss about Anders being in the Grey Wardens (especially when Greagoir completely caves to the new ruler of Ferelden telling him that the mages will be free in the US Ending for the Hero of Ferelden from the Circle), and Anders in Kirkwall isn't an invincible cannibal like he was written in the short story, I'm inclined to agree.

[Ieldra]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

erilben wrote...

DuskWarden wrote...

I don't quite remember, but does Anders show any hint of being an abomination to Stroud or Nathaniel anyway?

The Anders short story has Wardens agreeing with the templars that they can't have an abomination in the Wardens, so they send some Wardens after him. Anders kills them. It doesn't make any sense that Nathaniel wouldn't know about that.

then isn't it safe to assume that has nothing to do with the game at all, and IMO should be considering a Fanfic

Indeed. It makes no sense that the Wardens would object to Anders' state of being unless it made him unable to function as a Warden. If it was - as hinted - a move to appease the Templars, then it makes perfect sense that the Wardens didn't do anything after Anders fled. After all, for most of them it must be galling to give the Templars even the little finger. As it is, the Wardens brought the problem unto themselves when they started appeasing the Templars. If they hadn't, they wouldn't have lost a competent Warden who had much more to lose than to gain by leaving them. And the Kirkwall Chantry might still be standing.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 juin 2013 - 11:02 .

[St. Victorious]

Anyone think that in DA:I if Anders is alive you'll get a brief quest regarding his Calling? It's getting to be about that time for his abominable arse to charge the darkspawn headlong.

[9TailsFox]

Bekkael wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

I though it was prosecute like the jodi arias trial. As it is I killed Anders twice so he shouldn't show up in DAI for me.

Do you think you can get rid of him so easily? You have to kill him at least three times, minimum. :innocent:

Yes. And add +2 or 3 times because of justice/vengeance. He is most important in Thedas just after Flemeth and before Leliana.

[9TailsFox]

St. Victorious wrote...

Anyone think that in DA:I if Anders is alive you'll get a brief quest regarding his Calling? It's getting to be about that time for his abominable arse to charge the darkspawn headlong.

I don't think justice care much about calling more about freeing magis and even this goul is twisted.

[PlasmaCheese]

Unless DA:I is taking place 20-ish years after 9:40, then Anders's Calling isn't for awhile.

[St. Victorious]

PlasmaCheese wrote...

Unless DA:I is taking place 20-ish years after 9:40, then Anders's Calling isn't for awhile.

I believe DG once said that 20 years is an usually long time for a Warden to resist the taint. The Alistair comment was actually an oversite and that 10 years is about average for a Warden.

9TailsFox wrote...

St. Victorious wrote...

Anyone think that in DA:I if Anders is alive you'll get a brief quest regarding his Calling? It's getting to be about that time for his abominable arse to charge the darkspawn headlong.

I don't think justice care much about calling more about freeing magis and even this goul is twisted.

Shambling Anders ghoul FTW.

Modifié par St. Victorious, 06 juin 2013 - 12:20 .

[NRieh]

I think there are a lot of issues, if you try to use DAA as a plot "bridge" from DAO to DA2. And timeline is much worse than what OP mentions, imo. I'm talking about timeline.

Anders escapes Circle before Uldred does what he does. Warden and Hawke both take part in Ostagar and start their journey at ~same time. Note, that Warden gets to Lothering before Hawke does.

Anders is found in Amaranthine ~6 month after Warden defeats Archdeamon, Anders becomes a Warden, Anders helps Warden with Architect. Anders teaches Warden mages (while Justice stays in knight's corpse untill it's about to decay completely) - that's few years(according to epilogues).

Hawke meets Anders in Kirkwall ~1 year after Hawke gets to Kirkwall, and Hawke moves straight from Ostagar via Lothering with a little help from one old dragon lady. Either Hawkes were having some very looong sightseeing tour around the Ferelden, or Warden (and Anders) used some time travelling.

Also,afair, DA2 marks the moment of defeating Archdemon after the prologue. Which means no way Anders can be in Kirkwall by that moment (he did not even become a Warden or met Justice, you know).

Modifié par Nrieh, 06 juin 2013 - 12:46 .

[St. Victorious]

Nrieh wrote...

I think there are a lot of issues, if you try to use DAA as a plot "bridge" from DAO to DA2. And timeline is much worse than what OP mentions, imo. I'm talking about timeline.

Anders escapes Circle before Uldred does what he does. Warden and Hawke both take part in Ostagar and start their journey at ~same time. Note, that Warden gets to Lothering before Hawke does.

Anders is found in Amaranthine ~6 month after Warden defeats Archdeamon, Anders becomes a Warden, Anders helps Warden with Architect. Anders teaches Warden mages (while Justice stays in knight's corpse untill it's about to decay completely) - that's few years(according to epilogues).

Hawke meets Anders in Kirkwall ~1 year after Hawke gets to Kirkwall, and Hawke moves straight from Ostagar via Lothering with a little help from one old dragon lady. Either Hawkes were having some very looong sightseeing tour around the Ferelden, or Warden (and Anders) used some time travelling.

Also,afair, DA2 marks the moment of defeating Archdemon after the prologue. Which means no way Anders can be in Kirkwall by that moment (he did not even become a Warden or met Justice, you know).

For me, you have to look at DA2 this way; it's Varric's story. I have my own head-canon where because he's telling the story, he's grouping all the important events together. if you look at it that way it's not Year 1, it's Years 1-3. Followed by 3-5 and 5-7. It makes the way all the events fall in place seem to make much more sense. 

Under this theory, Anders could of potentially not gotten there until well into year 2, making the entire timeline issue plausible.

[PlasmaCheese]

I'll have to find that. Duncan was way past due, then.. I know Alistair said Duncan felt like his time was coming, but he was already well past the 10 year mark. He was there when Alistair was a newborn, and by the time Origins starts, Alistair is like 20.

[edeheusch]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I don't think Anders is a particularly well written character. I think his appearance in DA2 was shoehorned in a number of ways. I think that explains most issues with him.

For me this is the best explanation.
Let’s be honest the Anders short story is really hard to explain for many (most?) of the DAO:A games.
Anders should have moved to Kirkwall shortly* (less than half a year) after the end of DAO:A and all information I saw suggest that the hero of Ferelden is still the warden commander of Ferelden.

In all my games both Anders and Justice were good friends of my Warden Commander.
In all these game my Warden Commander gave itself Ser Pounce-a-lot to Anders and would never have agree to force Anders to give him back. Actually, Anders never seemed weak because of Ser Pounce-a-lot when he had to help me during the events of DAO:A.
In all my game the Warden Commander killed the templar Rylock when she tried to capture Anders. My Warden Commanders would never have accepted that the Templar interfere with the Wardens and send a spy to watch Anders (especially after the events of DAO:A were Anders turned up to be a valuable Grey Warden).
A would add that Anders is one of the 2 first Grey Wardens of Ferelden to pass their Joining after the blight. With the exception of the Warden Commander and Alistair/Loghain (if he is still a Grey Warden), I don’t see who could be above Anders in the Grey Warden of Ferelden hierarchy.

To my point of view, bringing back Anders to DA2 was an extremely bad idea for which they provided a very poor explanation.
Actually I think that bringing back any main companion from one title (I don’t speak about temporary companions like Merill in DAO) is a really bad idea that will never be satisfying for most of the players (unless you invest a lot of resources just to import correctly the state of this companion alone).  

* And when I say shortly, it is if we forget about the fact that many players counted that Hawk should have met Anders before the end of DAO:A according to many elements.

Modifié par edeheusch, 06 juin 2013 - 01:52 .

[Mr.House]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

erilben wrote...

DuskWarden wrote...

I don't quite remember, but does Anders show any hint of being an abomination to Stroud or Nathaniel anyway?

The Anders short story has Wardens agreeing with the templars that they can't have an abomination in the Wardens, so they send some Wardens after him. Anders kills them. It doesn't make any sense that Nathaniel wouldn't know about that.

then isn't it safe to assume that has nothing to do with the game at all, and IMO should be considering a Fanfic

I'm inclined to agree because the commander of the grey is your warden if alive. Why would your warden agree to this if you allowed Anders in and befriended him? The short story is complete bullocks that DOES make Anders OOC(and I argue Anders in DA2 is not OOC) but that hsort story is just crazy and insane. Like really, Anders drinknig blood and ripping heads off? Come on.

[Lulupab]

That story is blasphemy :| Anders have only killed Templars and only those who chased him until he reached Kirkwall. And he definitely did not rip off their heads, it was mere lightning or fireball.

[Fast Jimmy]

Mr.House wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

erilben wrote...

DuskWarden wrote...

I don't quite remember, but does Anders show any hint of being an abomination to Stroud or Nathaniel anyway?

The Anders short story has Wardens agreeing with the templars that they can't have an abomination in the Wardens, so they send some Wardens after him. Anders kills them. It doesn't make any sense that Nathaniel wouldn't know about that.

then isn't it safe to assume that has nothing to do with the game at all, and IMO should be considering a Fanfic

I'm inclined to agree because the commander of the grey is your warden if alive. Why would your warden agree to this if you allowed Anders in and befriended him? The short story is complete bullocks that DOES make Anders OOC(and I argue Anders in DA2 is not OOC) but that hsort story is just crazy and insane. Like really, Anders drinknig blood and ripping heads off? Come on.

When in doubt, the original series format is the dominant canon. In this case, the DA games came first. So anything going on in the books/short stories/animes/web series that could possibly interfere with the story told in the game is trumped by the game experience.

[TK514]

Huh. I read the ops title as "Shouldn't the Wardens pursue Anders?" But that's neither here nor there. I agree that they've really got no reason to. He wasn't exactly the ideal Warden before he turned himself into an abomination, and he was only going to get more erratic from there. They probably wrote him off as more trouble than he was worth and considered themselves well rid of him.

[Lobos1988]

Anders died.

[schalafi]

Lobos1988 wrote...

Anders died.

Not in my game. After defeating Meridith, he and my Hawke disappeared into the night.
I wonder what the devs have done to reconcile the games that kept Anders alive. It should be interesting!

[Lobos1988]

schalafi wrote...

Lobos1988 wrote...

Anders died.

Not in my game. After defeating Meridith, he and my Hawke disappeared into the night.
I wonder what the devs have done to reconcile the games that kept Anders alive. It should be interesting!

He cannot get a big role... a cameo is the best thing that can happen to you... otherwise they'd have to ressurect that whimp and that would ****** off as many people as him not even getting emntioned if kept alive...

So if you kept him alive he might appear with some mages at some point maybe like the grey wardens appearance in DA2 during the Qunari assault

[Dova]

schalafi wrote...

Lobos1988 wrote...

Anders died.

Not in my game. After defeating Meridith, he and my Hawke disappeared into the night.
I wonder what the devs have done to reconcile the games that kept Anders alive. It should be interesting!

As did mine ~ Yay for Anders<3