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[TheChris92]

Naughty Bear wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Naughty Bear your acting like a "cliché" plot can't lead to a good game

This generation, we have had too many zombie games. I wanted something different, try something new and not follow the really predictable plots.

The Last of Us is just an overblown hyped up zombie game. Again, don't get me wrong. I have enjoyed my purchase. I really did. But this game is nothing special.

You can guarantee that the reviews were boosted by Naughty Dog's reputation.

I'd hardly agree that the plot is bad - Is it original? Probably not, the game itself has taken inspiration from several works of fiction that involves a post-apocalyptic setting. I Am Legend or The Road, then there is City of Thieves which isn't as much of a post-apocalyptic book as it is about people trying to survive in a dead city. The Uncharted games had its share of cliché's too, but the likeable characters and superb writing of Naughty Dog made it feel really refreshing and enjoyable. I thought it was an interesting angle to have Cordyceps plants infect humans, and explore a rundown post-apocalyptic U.S.A and how it has costed a lot of people their humanity figurativly and physically speaking. Humanity will always struggle to survive, so when a last glimmer of hope shows up then they'll fight to make it happen even if it is highly unlikely. Naughty Dog's take on a post apocalyptic setting feels so incredible, and it really works as it puts the focus on what is most important - The humans who roam the dead world that is left.

Modifié par TheChris92, 17 juin 2013 - 08:38 .

[SlottsMachine]

Naughty Bear wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

How is the overall plot "good"? It's incredibly cliche.

I'm sorry but while I like this game, I can't stand when people praise it like this. Calling it a "masterpiece".

The game is good, very very good and he game is definitely worthy of praise and awards, but the plot is not good. The emotion, characters and emotion is good, but the plot in general is pretty bollocks.

Subjectivity, plain and simple. 

The same can be said for any game, like ME3 for example.  

Anyway, I'm about halfway through the game and one part that made me just smile, was right before seeing Uncle Tommy and you're going through that little forest area, basically Ellie ends up in the middle of a bunch of little fireflies and it was just such a nice scene.  Small and effective.  Overall, I'm loving the characters and game so far.   I also just got my headset today, so I can't wait to hear the Clickers again.  

Ellie is supposably the "cure"? You're easily amused if you think that is any good. It's pitiful for a plot hook. Why would Joel deliver her? Because of a silly little promise? Humanity is pretty much ****ed, extinct in TLoU. There is nothing to save.

A possible cure, just happens to pop up conveniently 20 years later?

At least The Walking Dead tried something that is to an extent, believable. Trying to survive, focusing onsolving  internal threats while trying to overcome external threats. Clementine is nothing special, just a lone girl. Which brings up a protective instinct.

Meh, I'm not gonna judge a plot to harshly that involves a zombie apocalypse. Although I was also disappointed by Joel's characterization.   

[Naughty Bear]

TheChris92 wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Naughty Bear your acting like a "cliché" plot can't lead to a good game

This generation, we have had too many zombie games. I wanted something different, try something new and not follow the really predictable plots.

The Last of Us is just an overblown hyped up zombie game. Again, don't get me wrong. I have enjoyed my purchase. I really did. But this game is nothing special.

You can guarantee that the reviews were boosted by Naughty Dog's reputation.

I'd hardly agree that the plot is bad - Is it original? Probably not, the game itself has taken inspiration from several works of fiction that involves a post-apocalyptic setting. I Am Legend or The Road, then there is City of Thieves which isn't as much of a post-apocalyptic book as it is about people trying to survive in a dead city. The Uncharted games had its share of cliché's too, but the likeable characters and superb writing of Naughty Dog made it feel really refreshing and enjoyable. I thought it was an interesting angle to have Cordyceps plants infect humans, and explore a rundown post-apocalyptic U.S.A and how it has costed a lot of people their humanity figurativly and physically speaking. Humanity will always struggle to survive, so when a last glimmer of hope shows up then they'll fight to make it happen even if it is highly unlikely. Naughty Dog's take on a post apocalyptic setting feels so incredible, and it really works as it puts the focus on what is most important - The humans who roam the dead world that is left.

Walking Dead, Fallout, The Road, World War Z, Day of the Triffids and Lord of The Flies all wrapped up and polished by Naughty Dog.

I'm not against this game, but it's only deemed amazing purely because of the Naughty Dog bias.

If this wasn't Naughty Dog, I bet the ratings would be lower. Shame that blind company loyalty has overshadowed an actual honest opinion, focusing not just on the highs, but the lows as well.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 17 juin 2013 - 08:47 .

[spirosz]

Naughty Bear, I'm not basing this off of Naughty Dog. I didn't like Uncharted 3 (which tends to be the most praised), compared to the previous two, but I still gave praise to certain aspects of it. I'm judging the game off of the experience I'm going through, regardless if Naughty Dog developed it, Bioware, CDPR, etc. I'm judging a game based off what the game is trying to deliver and so far, in terms of story and characters, nothing has disappointed me yet. There are minor flaws with certain AI issues, but otherwise, I'm loving it.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

 there's nothing bad about this game,nothing worth mentioning at least.It has a few flaws but nothing really important

[Naughty Bear]

spirosz wrote...

Naughty Bear, I'm not basing this off of Naughty Dog. I didn't like Uncharted 3 (which tends to be the most praised), compared to the previous two, but I still gave praise to certain aspects of it. I'm judging the game off of the experience I'm going through, regardless if Naughty Dog developed it, Bioware, CDPR, etc. I'm judging a game based off what the game is trying to deliver and so far, in terms of story and characters, nothing has disappointed me yet. There are minor flaws with certain AI issues, but otherwise, I'm loving it.

Just Mass Effect 3. That got slated to hell because of the predictable plot, ending, character development etc. Fuelled and propagated by the hate for EA.

Last of us comes out with predictably Joel starting as a brutal survivor to a father figure and an ending fanboys claim to be "deep".

The bias is ****ing stupid. Surely people can see this?

[TheChris92]

Naughty Bear wrote...


Walking Dead, Fallout, The Road, World War Z, Day of the Triffids and Lord of The Flies all wrapped up and polished by Naughty Dog.

I'm not against this game, but it's only deemed amazing purely because of the Naughty Dog bias.

If this wasn't Naughty Dog, I bet the ratings would be lower. Shame that blind company loyalty has overshadowed an actual honest opinion, focusing not just on the highs, but the lows as well.

I, myself, am not basing my opinion on the fact that it is a Naughty Dog game - I wasn't a big fan of Uncharted 3 - I thought the whole stick with Uncharted got very stale by the time of Uncharted 3. I like how this game feels less like a shooter, where Tomb Raider felt like the opposite, and more like a survival game. The emphasis on stealth and toned focus on fancy cinematics & inevitable chest-high-walls-mook-spawning-gun-battles.  Lots of reviewers I know of didn't like Uncharted, when rating this game with solid numbers, so something certainly has been done right. The plot feels like a great homage to post-apocalyptic works of fiction, with the good writing of Naughty Dog, which really isn't such a bad thing. It's all very subjective in the end. I find it to be my second favorite game from Naughty Dog, personally, next to Jak 2. 

EDIT: Just realized that my comment comes off as being a copy-pasted version of spiroz.' We must think a like 

Modifié par TheChris92, 17 juin 2013 - 09:05 .

[spirosz]

Was he not a father figure before the "outbreak". The card his daughter forget to give practically reinforces this, but who wouldn't lose themselves under such extremes? Ellie woke up was locked away.

Also, don't spoil anything with the ending though, since I'm halfway Anyway, certain arguments come down to straight subjectivity and others are "biased" as you stated, but you can certainly understand that more than a few are genuine, no?

[SlottsMachine]

^Yeah, I may weigh in more once I've actually finished it.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Naughty Bear wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Naughty Bear, I'm not basing this off of Naughty Dog. I didn't like Uncharted 3 (which tends to be the most praised), compared to the previous two, but I still gave praise to certain aspects of it. I'm judging the game off of the experience I'm going through, regardless if Naughty Dog developed it, Bioware, CDPR, etc. I'm judging a game based off what the game is trying to deliver and so far, in terms of story and characters, nothing has disappointed me yet. There are minor flaws with certain AI issues, but otherwise, I'm loving it.

Just Mass Effect 3. That got slated to hell because of the predictable plot, ending, character development etc. Fuelled and propagated by the hate for EA.

Last of us comes out with predictably Joel starting as a brutal survivor to a father figure and an ending fanboys claim to be "deep".

The bias is ****ing stupid. Surely people can see this?

it's not bias.If you don't like the game then don't play it.

[MegaSovereign]

I might wait till The Last of Us gets cheap so I can buy it along with every PS3 exclusive I've missed out on over the years. It's gonna be a frenzy.

[Naughty Bear]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Naughty Bear, I'm not basing this off of Naughty Dog. I didn't like Uncharted 3 (which tends to be the most praised), compared to the previous two, but I still gave praise to certain aspects of it. I'm judging the game off of the experience I'm going through, regardless if Naughty Dog developed it, Bioware, CDPR, etc. I'm judging a game based off what the game is trying to deliver and so far, in terms of story and characters, nothing has disappointed me yet. There are minor flaws with certain AI issues, but otherwise, I'm loving it.

Just Mass Effect 3. That got slated to hell because of the predictable plot, ending, character development etc. Fuelled and propagated by the hate for EA.

Last of us comes out with predictably Joel starting as a brutal survivor to a father figure and an ending fanboys claim to be "deep".

The bias is ****ing stupid. Surely people can see this?

it's not bias.If you don't like the game then don't play it.

Can't you read? Am I talking to a wall? You're profile username says you're intelligent, so surely you can decipher what I am saying.

I enjoyed the game, but I disagreed with the plot. Not hate, not enjoyed just disagreed. It seems that everyone here does not understand what I am trying to say, and I'm easily being seen as a villain here. Going against the majorty, I'm done.

I'm not here to get banned.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 17 juin 2013 - 09:16 .

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Naughty Bear wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Naughty Bear, I'm not basing this off of Naughty Dog. I didn't like Uncharted 3 (which tends to be the most praised), compared to the previous two, but I still gave praise to certain aspects of it. I'm judging the game off of the experience I'm going through, regardless if Naughty Dog developed it, Bioware, CDPR, etc. I'm judging a game based off what the game is trying to deliver and so far, in terms of story and characters, nothing has disappointed me yet. There are minor flaws with certain AI issues, but otherwise, I'm loving it.

Just Mass Effect 3. That got slated to hell because of the predictable plot, ending, character development etc. Fuelled and propagated by the hate for EA.

Last of us comes out with predictably Joel starting as a brutal survivor to a father figure and an ending fanboys claim to be "deep".

The bias is ****ing stupid. Surely people can see this?

it's not bias.If you don't like the game then don't play it.

Can't you read? Am I talking to a wall? You're profile username says you're intelligent, so surely you can decipher what I am saying.

I enjoyed the game, but I disagreed with the plot. Not hate, not enjoyed just disagreed. It seems that everyone here does not understand what I am trying to say, and I'm easily being seen as a villain here. Going against the majorty, I'm done.

I'm not here to get banned.

but you are the villain.One does not simply hate Naughty Gods.You shall burn for this atrocity:devil:

[spirosz]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I might wait till The Last of Us gets cheap so I can buy it along with every PS3 exclusive I've missed out on over the years. It's gonna be a frenzy.

Journey, Heavy Rain, Last of Us, God Of Wa, Uncharted, Beyond Two Souls later in the upcoming months.

Lucky dude, haha. 

[SlottsMachine]

@Naughty Bear 

No don't leave. Just wait a few days, till more people have finished.

Modifié par General Slotts, 17 juin 2013 - 09:27 .

[Naughty Bear]

So, what do people think of multiplayer? I got bored within the first few seconds, I'm going to give it another go though on day.

For now, I want to see this single player DLC, for everything I complained about, I was upset that the game ended and thoroughly enjoyed it.

[spirosz]

Haven't tried it personally, waiting to finish the story before I dive in. If it's anything like Uncharted's MP, I'll probably pass.

[HiddenInWar]

I heard MP is intense.

[Naughty Bear]

I think it's the same, I only played a little of Uncharted 3 multiplayer but it wasn't really my taste.

Four vs four but I heard random events happen during the game. The menu is confusing as well. Being in a clan, I have no friends at all so what do I do? What's with the sickness counter?

[goofyomnivore]

My girlfriend bought this game played it was amazed and told me I had to play it. So I cranked it out this past weekend. It was a good game. Predictable twists and turns what not, but the great cinematic and voice acting are well worth the average plot.

Graphics - 10, Presentation(Cinematics/Voice Acting) - 10, Sound - 9, Story/Characters - 7, Gameplay - 7
So an 8.6 for me which is a good game but not game of the year IMO. It took me about 15 hours to beat it for those wondering about time.

*****Spoilers incoming******

It appeared in the ending they're going for Joel has grown as character and isn't a complete bitter a-hole and can care about someone again, and that Ellie doesn't have to fear about being left alone or not loved again. Because to me it is quite obvious she knew Joel was lying to her when she said ok.

[huntrrz]

SPOILER discussion:




I'm not sure it matters whether Ellie believes him or not. If "not" she must realize that Joel brought her back to protect her - it's not as if he would sabotage a cure (after all that effort to get there) on a whim. And if he's lying, it's only to spare her the pain of the truth, so "Okay (I can live with that)" instead of "Okay (I absolutely believe you)", which leads to her living her life the same either way with maybe a lingering curiosity about the details.

[DukeOfNukes]

Just finished it, posted a link to the review in my sig.

SPOILERS:
I think Joel was kind of shown as the villain to a certain extent. He killed Marlene in cold blood while she was begging for her life, and he robs humanity of salvation, all because he has his own survivor guilt about his daughter. I think that's why they had Ellie tell the story, because it showed her guilt as a reflection of his own.