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[errant_knight]

And I'm thinking that it would be a really bad idea to put Morrigan in something called 'Robes of Possession' that belonged to Flemeth and were found with her grimoire. I notice they lower her willpower while increasing her magic. So not good. That makes me a lot more sure that I did the right thing.

[packardbell]

I think there is actually some preparation in the art of possession, don't think just wearing the robes cuts it.

Or Flemeth could of done the whole thing while we were out doing our quests, it's very ambiguous to say the least.

Modifié par packardbell, 17 janvier 2010 - 08:09 .

[Lenimph]

Hmm yes the first time I did the quest I didn't "kill" Flemeth, and I sure felt guilty about it. I didn't have the heart to put Morrigan in the robes of Possesion knowing that Flemeth was still alive.... Yeah the rest of the game was a big guilt trip for my pc and Morrigan... but in the end she got a god baby so I didn't really feel bad at all.

[SusanStoHelit]

packardbell wrote...

I think there is actually some preparation in the art of possession, don't think just wearing the robes cuts it.

Or Flemeth could of done the whole thing while we were out doing our quests, it's very ambiguous to say the least.

But Morrigan tells you the grimoire describes all the preparation - and that she recognises it. Her whole life has been 'preparation'.

[errant_knight]

It's made pretty clear that even if you kill Flemeth, she's not actually dead. Morrigan is just guessing that it will take years for her to come back, so...no new robe for Morrigan, I think.

[packardbell]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

packardbell wrote...

I think there is actually some preparation in the art of possession, don't think just wearing the robes cuts it.

Or Flemeth could of done the whole thing while we were out doing our quests, it's very ambiguous to say the least.

But Morrigan tells you the grimoire describes all the preparation - and that she recognises it. Her whole life has been 'preparation'.

Yes but I would of thought she needs to be within the immediate vicinity for it to have any affect on her and that is why she declines coming to support you in killing her.

[Spitz6860]

if you examine that robe you'd get the impression that it is actually harmless, whether it's true or not remain to be seen.

[DalishRanger]

If it does anything at all, it doesn't happen during the game. I've always killed Flemeth (even though I actually like the crazy old crone...), and sometimes I put the robes on Morrigan, sometimes I don't. There's no difference other than her stats, from what I've seen.

[errant_knight]

It's not the results in the game so far that I'm concerned about.

[The Gay Warden]

So I had sex with Flemeth?



*Ponders this for a moment*



I'd still tap that.

[Xetirox]

Lenimph wrote...

Hmm yes the first time I did the quest I didn't "kill" Flemeth, and I sure felt guilty about it. I didn't have the heart to put Morrigan in the robes of Possesion knowing that Flemeth was still alive.... Yeah the rest of the game was a big guilt trip for my pc and Morrigan... but in the end she got a god baby so I didn't really feel bad at all.

Congrats, you pretty much put Flemeth's entire plan into action. Not only is Morrigan most definitely doomed now, but you've given the Witch of the Wilds access to the power of an Old God.

[CalJones]

Heh well, I didn't trust Morrigan in my first playthrough and given Flemeth was the one who saved the Warden and Alistair, I didn't kill her. I gave Morrigan the robes - I never really did anything but look at them as an upgrade. Oops.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

I wonder if the robes have a label on them that says they are the 'Robes of possession', meh I think that is just a name given to them by the devs just to screw with peoples minds and it appears to have done its job.



My personal belief is that they are in cahoots on the whole thing. Morrigan to some extent pretty much owns up to this during the whole 'god baby' discussion.



Besides the whole story Morrigan cooks up as to how Flemeth has managed to live so long, could just very well be just that... a story/tale.



"It is a tale Flemeth has heard before... and has often told."

[Pigbin]

I just assumed that Morrigan and Flemeth have plotted the whole thing. Morrigan is the vessel to let Flemeth get the Old God baby. Flemeth is going to possess the baby Morrigan is going to look after it for a bit, and in a later expansion/game we are gonna have a whole load of trouble on our hands.

[errant_knight]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

I wonder if the robes have a label on them that says they are the 'Robes of possession', meh I think that is just a name given to them by the devs just to screw with peoples minds and it appears to have done its job.

My personal belief is that they are in cahoots on the whole thing. Morrigan to some extent pretty much owns up to this during the whole 'god baby' discussion.

Besides the whole story Morrigan cooks up as to how Flemeth has managed to live so long, could just very well be just that... a story/tale.

"It is a tale Flemeth has heard before... and has often told."

My first time through, I walked away from the fight after that speech, but it later occurred to me the Flemeth could be talking about other daughters making the same discovery. Or Flemeth and Morrigan are one and the same and this scenario repeats. Or many other things. But I don't  think the name is just there to screw with you. From a character point of view, there's no reason to give Morrigan the clothes. She likes her own just fine. From a gameplay point of view, I think they're just there to let you know that there was something to Morrigan's story, although we don;'t know the details. Still, no sense taking chances. I also don't give Zevran or Leiliana the dagger whose owners have all died badly.

[legbamel]

I find it suspicious that, even if you don't give Morrigan either grimoire, she still knows about the ritual. That leads me to believe that she and Flemeth were working together or that Flemeth has already possessed Morrigan when she joins you (or that Flemeth was always a part of her in the first place).

[prizm123]

personally i dont think Morrigan or Flemeth are bad guys or villains, in fact i think that they knew the outcome of all your actions and they plan to use the god baby to fight any future blights, and in the process saving the lives of a great many future grey wardens



as for Morrigan, she is seemingly taken by beauty and beautiful objects, how aproropo for her to give birth to an untainted old god of beauty to protect it so that the world does not lose the gift for which it gives

[errant_knight]

legbamel wrote...

I find it suspicious that, even if you don't give Morrigan either grimoire, she still knows about the ritual. That leads me to believe that she and Flemeth were working together or that Flemeth has already possessed Morrigan when she joins you (or that Flemeth was always a part of her in the first place).

I don't think this is the case, because I believe that she truly didn't want to go in the beginning, and that her interactions with you are truthful. At the end? Who's to say....

prizm123 wrote...

personally i dont think Morrigan or Flemeth are bad guys or villains, in fact i think that they knew the outcome of all your actions and they plan to use the god baby to fight any future blights, and in the process saving the lives of a great many future grey wardens

as for Morrigan, she is seemingly taken by beauty and beautiful objects, how aproropo for her to give birth to an untainted old god of beauty to protect it so that the world does not lose the gift for which it gives

As mentioned above, I don't think the ritual was Morrigan's plan from the beginning, but I don't think her goals are necessarily bad, or that the child is necessarily bad because it has the soul of an old god. Things may or may not work oyt as she plans. That doesn't mean that a warden would approve of what that plan might be, though. She's determined not to give any details.

Modifié par errant_knight, 17 janvier 2010 - 06:36 .

[Kepha]

legbamel wrote...

I find it suspicious that, even if you don't give Morrigan either grimoire, she still knows about the ritual. That leads me to believe that she and Flemeth were working together or that Flemeth has already possessed Morrigan when she joins you (or that Flemeth was always a part of her in the first place).

Flemeth gave Morrigan the ritual before she left.  It was the plan all along, Morrigan just didn't know the other stuff without the grimoires.  They just give Morrigan the knowlege to hopefully escape Flemeth's other plans.

I think they'd been planning on getting the Archdemon baby even before Ostagar.  Its just after Ostagar the best chance to get it was to travel with the two remaining Gray Wardens in Ferelden.

Modifié par Kepha, 17 janvier 2010 - 06:36 .

[Chas1024]

In game terms it seems to make no difference whether you kill Flemeth or let her go. Much the same as Marjolaine, Leliana's nemesis. If you look in the codex entry after finishing the quest without killing Flemeth it states that you 'dealt with her'. The description of the robe describes it as no longer a danger with Flemeth dead even if you did not kill Flemeth. Besides who has the heart to kill Captain Janeway?

[Joseph Silver]

Besides who has the heart to kill Captain Janeway?

I see what you did there.

[SusanStoHelit]

Kepha wrote...

Flemeth gave Morrigan the ritual before she left.  It was the plan all along, Morrigan just didn't know the other stuff without the grimoires.  They just give Morrigan the knowlege to hopefully escape Flemeth's other plans.

I think they'd been planning on getting the Archdemon baby even before Ostagar.  Its just after Ostagar the best chance to get it was to travel with the two remaining Gray Wardens in Ferelden.

This.

And, of course, none of the other Wardens, even if they'd survived would have been of any use in their plan. It has to be a new grey warden, otherwise the taint is too strong.

[errant_knight]

Chas1024 wrote...

In game terms it seems to make no difference whether you kill Flemeth or let her go. Much the same as Marjolaine, Leliana's nemesis. If you look in the codex entry after finishing the quest without killing Flemeth it states that you 'dealt with her'. The description of the robe describes it as no longer a danger with Flemeth dead even if you did not kill Flemeth. Besides who has the heart to kill Captain Janeway?

The codex says it's no longer a danger, huh? Then I guess it's no longer a danger. Doesn't mean it wasn't before you kill Flemeth, though.

[Zemore]

depending on how long it actually takes flemmeth to get back the fact remains you killed her in im assuming a non weakend state soo if morrigan finds her first it would take her some time to get back up to full strength so Morrigan can just keep killing her over and over until she posseses the Babys body and gains the power of an Old god



a question remains on that matter ... if a darkspawn touches the baby will it become an archdemon?