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Lotion Soronarr

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We need something like this in DA:I:


Brother

I decided to write this letter to you, for I won't be able to come visit as expected. I know I visit rarely and mother will be dissapointed, but duty demands that I stay. No doubt you heard that the mages are getting more restless and it is true. Ever since the Kirkwall incident, tensions have been high and more attacks keep happening.

I know that you look up to me and have expressed interest to join the templars yourself. I also know that I rarely talked about my work, but I fear now is the time to do it, if I am to talk you out of it.

This is not an easy job. It carries many sacrifices with it and it's geting more and more thankless each day.
I have been a templar for 10 years now, and I've seen many things, but even those pale before the stories and experiences of some of our older members.
As a templar you watch over the mages, and in doing so you get to know them real well. Some you know from when they were children, and you watch them grow, learn and change. You will from bonds, both with brother templars and mages - and you will see those bonds broken and you will see blood.

Many are such stories.
Templars falling in love with a mage, only for that mage to fail the harrowing and become a monster intent only on killing. The templar may end up killing the one he loved and will have to live with that. Or he may hesistate and end up dead.
Mages secretly plotting against you, or trying to kill you. Trying to summon demons of control your mind.
Children setting houses on fire or destroying entire villages on accident. Sometimes we arrive on time and take the child away before anyone gets hurt. Sometimes we arrive too late and either the child killed someone or the villagers killed the child. Usually both. Sometimes we have to tear the child from a weeping mother, knowing that the Circle tower is probably too far away for her to visit. Sometimes the mother denounces the child.
Even stories of templars raping mages or otherwise oversteppign their boundries.

This job takes a toll. A toll on your soul and mind, even without the lyrium. Few of us will ever live to see old age. Most will die fighting a mage or abomination in some remote location, our deaths and names forgotten by history.
Those that do reach old age are mere shells of their former selves.
All those events and memories haunt us, and we have different ways of dealing with them. Some have hardened their heart to prevent it from being hurt again, others turn to their faith to an extreeme degree, other again try to deal with it with humor. Some focus all of the blame and rage on the mages, but it's dark path to walk on.
Mages try to deal with it in their own, similar ways.

I tell you this so you know what to expect.
But for all the horrors, for all the tragedy that you will witness...there are bright spots. The smile of a mage child as you show him kidness.. the appreciation of the people when you slay an abomination... the respect and friendship from a mage... The knowledge that even tough there is so much pain and suffering, that there is still good and that we do make a difference.

For as harsh as our duty is on us and the mages, it has to be done. Unlike the mages, we take on this burden willingly, knowing our life, our very sanity is at risk. For them there is no choice, as demons will prey on them their whole lives - that is the price they pay for their power. The task of the templar is to help them with their burden, protect them from themselves and the mundanes, and protect this world from the demon of the fade.
I have no regrets as it is the path I chose to follow.

But you are still young and there is time to choose another path. Think well about it brother, and guard our mother. Darker times may be ahead of us and I fear the worst.





Too much mage perspective, too little templar one.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 07 juin 2013 - 06:13 .


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Well if all the speculation about Cullen as a companion is correct, I guess we'll get plenty of that sort of thing.

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Well don't make me cry, man.

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 oh sht we know what time it is 


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I'm impressed.

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Well ****. Very good. 

Modifié par iPoohCupCakes, 06 juin 2013 - 04:16 .


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I've no doubt that good templars exist, and I've no doubt that the life of a templar can be difficult. That  doesn't stop me from wanting the templar order as a whole to be destroyed and a less totalitarian, less corrupt organisation of "mage cops" to take their place.

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OP, I love that!

It would certainly be interesting to get more of a perspective from the templars POV. In DA2 there were some good ones, but the majority of them were foolish enough to get themselves killed or worse. I'd like to see some of the hardships the reasonable templars face, like witnessing one suffering after having to kill a mage that he/she once considered a friend/lover, the lyrium withdrawal etc. We've seen little glimpses, but not as much as we've seen the mages plight.

I'd just like to see it from all sides so that the mage/templar issue feels more grey instead of one-sided. Sure, we saw mages doing some bad things, but when it boiled down to it they were only doing said things because they'd been backed into a corner.

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You know......

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I would actually love to see that in Inquisition. We have plenty of corrupt and bad templars in DA2, and almost every bad mage in DA2 was either insane or driven to desperation by the corrupt templars.

In Origins, we had Ser Otto, Gregoire, and Ser Bryant as positive examples of the good templars. Ser Bryant overlooking Morrigan and possibly a mage Warden, more intent on protecting the villages (and the Chantry) from the darkspawn. Ser Otto for volunteering to help out the alienage even though he had been blinded in battle long before, or Knight-Commander Gregoire willingly taking Irving's word over Cullen's and calling off the Right of Annulment, and only called it when he felt the Circle couldn't be saved as there were abominations everywhere.

If the ending had a couple of mages turning into abominations sporadically in the final battle as we charged the archdemon, I'm sure more people would've sided with the templars in subsequent playthroughs. David Gaider said that the mages were overdone, but it was designed to make people want to side with templars more often because nearly everyone sided with the mages in Origins....probably because there wasn't any negative side-effects of doing so at the time.

If we could have a balance of good templars and corrupt ones (like Meredith vs Gregoire), good seekers and corrupt ones (like Lambert vs Cassandra), good mages and bad ones (like Grace or a more developed Quinten vs Irving or Wynn) then we'd probably have a lot more arguments here on the forums, but have a lot more context to form an opinion on the groups rather than based on the anomaly of Kirkwall and the novels....which is something not everyone would've read.

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This job takes a troll. A troll on your soul and mind....

Corrected :lol:

But i still don't see any justification of the existence of the Templars. It is because Mages are naturally born as intended by the very nature of the world. What give them right to control Mages?

Like Cullen said in DA2 that Mages are born everyday, the one who born years ago comes into power today. Isn't their children also can be born as Mages? DA2 also showing about that, Ser Trask daughter. It is all nonsense.

Will the Templars stab their own babies with sword in the chest because of failing Harrowing?

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Things like that would be very nice indeed, a human face to the templars. Showing us that they're normal people too... with dreams, regrets, guilt and hopes. Regardless of whether they're a faction we can support or end up being enemies exclusively, I hope we get plenty of this.
It's probably far more efficient in making them seem less morally wrong than repeatedly showing mages losing control/abuding their powers too.

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I always thought that the real "sacrifices" that templars make are overlooked...
Their job sucks , they have to take drugs that melts their brains as years go by , the chantry ask they perform their job with a level of empathy ...but they also have to put mages down like rabid dogs...

Oh and you work in places like the gallows and don't get me started on tranquils ...I mean it sounds as fun as the movie "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".

No wonder ,Templar Carver gets really depressed .

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Plaintiff wrote...

Well don't make me cry, man.



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Qistina wrote...

This job takes a troll. A troll on your soul and mind....

Corrected :lol:

But i still don't see any justification of the existence of the Templars. It is because Mages are naturally born as intended by the very nature of the world. What give them right to control Mages?

Like Cullen said in DA2 that Mages are born everyday, the one who born years ago comes into power today. Isn't their children also can be born as Mages? DA2 also showing about that, Ser Trask daughter. It is all nonsense.

Will the Templars stab their own babies with sword in the chest because of failing Harrowing?


What's that got to do with anything?

OP was just stating that he/she would like to see things from the templars POV in-game. Whether their existence is justified or not is a moot point. They exist in the DA world whether we like it or not, so we may as well get the chance to see things from their side too, if only out of curiosity.

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LookingGlass93 wrote...

I've no doubt that good templars exist, and I've no doubt that the life of a templar can be difficult. That  doesn't stop me from wanting the templar order as a whole to be destroyed and a less totalitarian, less corrupt organisation of "mage cops" to take their place.


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This.

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Dear brother,

Last week an apostate killed a boy just one year younger than me. Do you remember Edwin? We used to sit behind the smithy to sneak a peak at Bella. Or play with wooden sticks, pretending to be Templars. Well he was my best friend and he was killed by this Mage who happened to pass through. 

There were many Templars that came after that. I saw them passing through again on their way back. The Mage had been caught and they had shackled him. I was looking at them ride by, I was hoping one of them might be you. They where magnificent! So brave to go up against the most terrifying thing in the world. 

I talked to Mother and she finally agreed to let me train to become a Templar. I will be leaving on the morrow. I can hear her crying in the other room. She said she is very proud of both us. 
When the darker times comes we will be prepared. 

Modifié par Scr0ll, 06 juin 2013 - 07:30 .


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Sir JK wrote...

Things like that would be very nice indeed, a human face to the templars. Showing us that they're normal people too... with dreams, regrets, guilt and hopes. Regardless of whether they're a faction we can support or end up being enemies exclusively, I hope we get plenty of this.
It's probably far more efficient in making them seem less morally wrong than repeatedly showing mages losing control/abuding their powers too.

For me, what they've done so far already gave me that feeling about templars. Notice that I've read the novels/comics and that might make a difference.

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Wow! That was great! We do need more of that in the new game.

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well we had Evangeline in asunder. she talks about her duty being to protect mages, I really liked that, it kind of changed my outlook on the Templars. if we have a Templar in da3 I would hope it would be her and not Cullen.

Modifié par MR_PN, 06 juin 2013 - 08:28 .


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This is a very nice perspective, one that would be nice to explore. Granted in my latest Templar Supporter PT I do feel much more sympathetic to the Templars, but an even deeper insight would be fascinating.

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Don't worry, they don't become heartless monsters when they're a love interest ;). Evangeline, since Rhys wanted her so bad she couldn't be evil :P.

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The whole mage storyline and to a certain extent, the elves, is just a reframing of modern terrorist issues.

The mage story is that they can become monsters, well, how did they get to the point where the world felt it needed an order specifically dedicated to stamping on them? They didn't police themselves well enough, or the upper crust become corrupt, thus the Black City and the Darkspawn.

The Templars are there for a reason, the history of the mages shows they are unwilling or unable to police their own population. True they may have become more corrupt over time and their methods are harsh, this reflects reality.

The Elves, well, that's a different issue I won't get into.

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Finally, someone who gets it. I've always felt that Templars got way too much hate from fans considering most of them are probably only doing their job, a job that in itself is pretty thankless, dangerous and from society's point of view: necessary. I don't think most templars are sadistic, power-hungry killers and rapists, rather I think most of them are good people trying to handle what they perceive as potential walking and talking time-bombs, as best as they can.

So to the original poster: 

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Very well written, and spot on good sir.

Modifié par sandellniklas, 06 juin 2013 - 10:29 .


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I love this so much, but it makes me a bit sad that people seem to forget or ignore how both sides, mages and templars, are just humans.

Humans are complicated, we do good deeds and bad deeds, and don't seem to have a natural draw towards one or the other, but a draw on an individual level. Shoving them into a single category like they were pugs fitting into a hole is just a disservice when talking about the issue beyond a basic understanding and level, because groups tend not to be completly hemogenous in their thinking. So many people seem to forget that when they call for all the mages or all the templars to be destroyed in their spats, it's ridiculous.

Excellent post, we need to have more of this type of either journal entries or stories told in the actual game.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 06 juin 2013 - 11:33 .