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[Lulupab]

Dave of Canada wrote...


I'd like to see evidence of Templar being paid "royally".

They are paid more than other jobs mundanes have, those with full knight status anyway. Like how Meredith could purchace that uber expensive idol.

Dave of Canada wrote...

Which is proven to give them powers, of course they'd be given lyrium. That's not really paying them, that's letting them do their job.

Lyrium is expensive. The only way the rouge Templars can get their hands on lyrium is to pillage or steal. Well I mean good quality lyrium, unless you want all templars go crazy with bad lyrium.

Dave of Canada wrote...

Provided they become disciplined in their training and learn from the education which they're provided, sure.

If someone as stupid as wilmod who spends more time in brothel than in gallows can become a Templar, anyone can.

Dave of Canada wrote...

He's worried about losing his pay because he can't support his family without it, his father is an alcoholic and he's deep in debt if you expell him because his income becomes completely zero.

Yes that's what I meant. He is worried about losing his income. Templars codes and honor means less than **** to him.

Dave of Canada wrote...

He joins the Templar to spite Hawke after Hawke coddled him. How does this change anything?

Just like Keran, Templar honor and codes means less than **** to Carver. If any other groups like Grey wardens were looking for members in Kirkwall I'm sure Carver would choose them as he is opposite of Bethany who hates Grey Warden life, Carver pretty much loves it. A friend Carver who joined grey wardens will apologize for everything at the end of act 3 and before fighting with orsino and will swore he will never leave Hawke's side again and will say he is proud to have Hawke as brother/sister. And a friend Carver during Legacy DLC totally changes his view on mages and understand why they need support and sympathy not more oppression. I'm kinda sure you failed to raise Carver's friendship to maximum as its a pretty hard thing to do. I only could do it on my 3rd playthrough after knowing how he reacts to eveything.

Dave of Canada wrote...

Haha, oh wow. He doesn't "throw away his Templar status", not anymore than Cullen does. He fights against Hawke until he's forced to kill him/her, he stands up to Meredith's insanity with Cullen and defends his sibling. He still isn't any less Templar, he's got the training and is still addicted to lyrium and his feelings on mages aren't any different.

He openly says he will not fight his own brother for Meredith or Order's sake. and if your party is not full he immediately joins the party as full member. SO MUCH LOVE FOR THE ORDER ITS OVERWHELMING.

Dave of Canada wrote...

Did you ever do the conversation? He's more upset that you're siding with the Templar because you're a mage yourself.

Yes I have. Have you ever did the Conversation where he galdy helps Hawke FREE mages and damns the Templars? Its totally obvious that Carver just joins the Templar order out  his own stupidty and not to fight mages. Of course Hawke can make him feel hate against mages. Don't forget a rival character is so much diferent than the same character who is a friend. You don't know friend Carver at all, its obvious from the way you talk about him.

Dave of Canada wrote...

This thread has truly convinced me that only selfish bastards, rapists and pedophiles join the Templar Order and the Chantry.

Them plus poor people who don't want to become a mercenary and become a Templar instead.

Dave of Canada wrote...

Chantry Order won't support the Templar or Mages but it's people and followers are likely to support the Templar over the mages.

Well we really don't get to explore Templar abilities outside of what Hawke can learn or what we saw in DA:O's templar spec, but holy smiteworked on everyone and it was magic. We had the spell both in DAO and DA2. A well armed army of massively devout, drug addicted borderline magic users (confirmed by Alistair, Templars use magic to hunt magic) condemned by the chantry itself? At least as dangerous as mages. I can see many people supporting either chantry's peace or the mages. Also as some mages didn't want to rebel and stick with the chantry (not the Templars) I'm sure many Templars called Lambert stupid and didn't gone rouge.

Modifié par Rassler, 08 juin 2013 - 09:24 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Rassler wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
I'd like to see evidence of Templar being paid "royally".

They are paid more than other jobs mundanes have, those with full knight status anyway. Like how Meredith could purchace that uber expensive idol.

I don't think we ever hear what Bartrand sold it for precisely, though Meredith does state that it wasn't exactly cheap. Still, it could have been roughly the same as ordinary lyrium. Also, I strongly doubt Knight-Commanders are paid a normal salary relative to the other templars.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 08 juin 2013 - 09:35 .

[Xilizhra]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm somewhat curious as to why you consider me touched in the head, I admit.

I wouldn't say you're touched but you come off very strong. Like Malcolm X.

"The templars are corrupt and have always been corrupt, and always will be. Even if we wanted to compromise with them (which we don't) we can't because I've decided there are too many bad apples in the Order. And their demise is imminment."

They parallel in some ways his remarks about the white race. That they were white devils and that was fact because history proved the white man was a devil. That there demise was imminment, and blacks should use any means necessary to fight for equality and justice.

He would never back off advocating civil rights, self-determinism, or protecting yourself when others won't, but he would later reconsider a lot of what he said and believed in. Ultimately, I think someone as critical of America's views and policies as he was was necessary to the movement. You need a Malcolm X figure-- just not leading the revolution.

Just my two cents.

Interesting, and probably complimentary. However, I should probably point out that the white race was not consciously waging war to the last member against the black one.

[Lulupab]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
I'd like to see evidence of Templar being paid "royally".

They are paid more than other jobs mundanes have, those with full knight status anyway. Like how Meredith could purchace that uber expensive idol.

I don't think we ever hear what Bartrand sold it for precisely, though Meredith does state that it wasn't exactly cheap. Still, it could have been roughly the same as ordinary lyrium. Also, I strongly doubt Knight-Commanders are paid a normal salary relative to the other templars.

There isn't much evidence, its just a safe guess from the way Templars live. Through the events of DA2 one thing is certain though, Templars are paid more than city guards.

Modifié par Rassler, 08 juin 2013 - 09:50 .

[Hazegurl]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...


A templar who has lost his loved one in a mage rebellion. But later its revealed that the loved one if his child who was a mage. So he's conflicted between his duties as a Templar and grief stricken at the lost of his child. Although I don't want it to be a Thrask thing where his solution is automatically side with mages. I would want more conflict with the character. Perhaps his child weren't killed by Templars but by Mages. Like the mages rebelled, his child stepped forward to protect his father and was killed. It could show how a mage supporting Templar who was working on the inside because of his son or daughter could then be conflicted by the entire ordeal because of his loss.

this is not make sense for many reasons, and still this will not change situation with Templar Order

I don't think anyone here is asking to change that situation. Lotion just seems to want it driven home that the Templars are human with human emotions, fears and desires, and I think I see where he's coming from.

And I think Hazegurl's idea is a good one, in that it also paints the mages as less monolithic.

Right, just a bit of humanity would do. Actually mage and templar supporters are asking for the same thing. But for some reason one side thinks the other shouldn't have it.

Thanks! I was reading Youth4Ever's blog post. She came up with a character profile of a mage woman who enters the circle and her husband follows her by becoming a Templar. It made me think of other possiblities of Mage and Templar families within the Circle and even perhaps the relationships forged in secret between a templar and Mage. We already have mages who don't want to go to war but it is usually them being afriad of the big bad Templars. What if some mages don't want a war because it would endanger the life of someone they love.  i wouldn't seeing conflict on both sides with that.

[Xilizhra]

I don't think anyone here is asking to change that situation. Lotion just seems to want it driven home that the Templars are human with human emotions, fears and desires, and I think I see where he's coming from.

And this is already blatantly obvious. They're acting in incredibly human manners, all of them. Relatively few are even outright crazy.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

1)Grey Wardens have and thats all, Andrefells would never go agains Wardens and Wardens will never support Chantry and Templars especially Templars may rather see them as enemy because of Fiona and Anders(i am not talking about our Mage Warden who decided to free Ferelden circle)

"The Anders, too, are a people of extremes: The most devout priests and
the most deadly soldiers, the poorest nation in the world and the most
feared."  - Codex Entry: The Anderfels - dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_Anderfels

"Emperor Drakon is given the opportunity to expand northward. Instead, he
chooses to swing his armies west and relieve the siege of Weisshaupt in
1:33 Divine. The Grey Wardens are impressed enough to convert to the
worship of the Chantry, and together the Grey Wardens and Drakon save
the badly weakened nation of Anderfels from destruction, bringing it to a
devout worship of the Maker that continues to this day."  - dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Ages#Divine

Dark Korsar wrote...
2)if they will never support Orlais they will never support Orlais Chantry and Templars

3)Ferelden changes according to our Protag actions and yet they have Arl Eamon Connor or mage daughter(if you kill Connor) and they hate Orlais

What you seem to fail to realize is that being rivals of Orlais doesn't mean they are enemies of Andrastianism or that they hate the Chantry.

Dark Korsar wrote...
4)ORLY??? they are and they still officially trade with Tevinter Empire:D

I'm pretty sure the first game mentions that Orzammar trades lyrium exclusively with the Chantry.

Dark Korsar wrote...
5)we still have a lot of Old God worchipers in every Thedas Kingdom

According to who?

1)and after Dracon death they separeted forever as many of Orlais territoryes, this is very different situation about their jouning to Oralis empire, and Orlais with Orlais Chantry do not have their Circles and Templar Order in this moment and war with Dales with Exalted Marches what they do later

2)they hate Orlais and this is the main thing, faith in Maker not change this and they will rather have their own Chanrty and teachings as Tevinter and Nevarra already did

3)Chantry propaganda, as we see they trade only with Carta and smuglers who still have connections with Carta....this is illegal Lyrium and Orzammar do not have any official agreements or trade relationship with Orlais Chantry and as we see with Orzammar Circle or Chanty situation they never have even secret relationship

4)we see them and we know how they work in DA and DA 2, comics 

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 08 juin 2013 - 10:23 .

[lil yonce]

Xilizhra wrote...

Interesting, and probably complimentary. However, I should probably point out that the white race was not consciously waging war to the last member against the black one.

I don't think that is the intent of the templars. I think its the other way around with the mages waging war.

[Sutamina]

SirGladiator wrote...
I think the Templars are generally 'good', at least in theory. Of course we meet some good and some bad, just like the mages, but I think the basic idea is good, keep a check on the mages unlimited powers. It's for everybody's good, including the mages, when they're doing things the right way. Obviously they sometimes have a tendency to abuse their power, nothing good about that, but again, so do the mages. I like the mages, I like playing as a mage, it's the most fun way of playing to me. But I think Templars are pretty cool too. I like the idea of the Templars and Mages finding some common ground and working out a more reasonable settlement to their differences, something that gives the Mages more freedom but that still helps keep them from turning evil and killing lots of innocent people, or getting together and trying to take over the world with their powers, or whatever. A compromise that works for everyone. Strong, fair-minded leadership from both sides would be required to get that done, perhaps with help from the Inquisitor. Sounds like fun to me!

Xilizhra wrote...
That would require the templars to have ever done anything the right way, something that we've never had evidence for.

Xilizhra seems to have made a glib statement here so I asked what would qualify as templars doing something right be.

At this point, stepping down from power.

Xilizhra seems to have made a glib statement here so I asked for something more persuasive.

Dragonflight288 correct me if im wrong but your post was about thier failings and being setup to fail
I was asking what Xilizhra would accept as evidence Templars doing right. Perhaps Dragonflight288 or someone else could provide evidence that would be acceptable as templars doing whats right for Xilizhra. I ask becuase I do not know.

[Xilizhra]

I don't think that is the intent of the templars. I think its the other way around with the mages waging war.

Utterly incorrect. The only action of the mages was to leave the Chantry. The Chantry did not militarily resist this; the templars had to betray the Chantry to attack the mages for themselves. This entire war has been provoked and started by the templars, but it'll be finished by the mages.

I was asking what Xilizhra would accept as evidence Templars doing right. Perhaps Dragonflight288 or someone else could provide evidence that would be acceptable as templars doing whats right for Xilizhra. I ask becuase I do not know.

It wasn't glib, I was completely serious.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Dark Korsar wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

1)Grey Wardens have and thats all, Andrefells would never go agains Wardens and Wardens will never support Chantry and Templars especially Templars may rather see them as enemy because of Fiona and Anders(i am not talking about our Mage Warden who decided to free Ferelden circle)

"The Anders, too, are a people of extremes: The most devout priests and
the most deadly soldiers, the poorest nation in the world and the most
feared."  - Codex Entry: The Anderfels - dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_Anderfels

"Emperor Drakon is given the opportunity to expand northward. Instead, he
chooses to swing his armies west and relieve the siege of Weisshaupt in
1:33 Divine. The Grey Wardens are impressed enough to convert to the
worship of the Chantry, and together the Grey Wardens and Drakon save
the badly weakened nation of Anderfels from destruction, bringing it to a
devout worship of the Maker that continues to this day."  - dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Ages#Divine

Dark Korsar wrote...
2)if they will never support Orlais they will never support Orlais Chantry and Templars

3)Ferelden changes according to our Protag actions and yet they have Arl Eamon Connor or mage daughter(if you kill Connor) and they hate Orlais

What you seem to fail to realize is that being rivals of Orlais doesn't mean they are enemies of Andrastianism or that they hate the Chantry.

Dark Korsar wrote...
4)ORLY??? they are and they still officially trade with Tevinter Empire:D

I'm pretty sure the first game mentions that Orzammar trades lyrium exclusively with the Chantry.

Dark Korsar wrote...
5)we still have a lot of Old God worchipers in every Thedas Kingdom

According to who?

1)and after Dracon death they separeted forever as many of Orlais territoryes, this is very different situation about their jouning to Oralis empire, and Orlais with Orlais Chantry do not have their Circles and Templar Order in this moment and war with Dales with Exalted Marches what they do later

2)they hate Orlais and this is the main thing, faith in Maker not change this and they will rather have their own Chanrty and teachings as Tevinter and Nevarra already did

Well then so what if they hate Orlais?The teachings of the Chantry is that mages are too dangerous to let govern themselves. That wouldn't change. Tevinter is a place where magic and mages is are so intertwined with the social order and culutre that it wouldn't go on without it. That is not the case in Nevarra. It hasn't been a magocracy since the beggining of it's history.

Dark Korsar wrote...
4)we see them in DA and DA 2, comics

We see them where exactly?

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 08 juin 2013 - 10:26 .

[Asdrubael Vect]

1)and after Dracon death they separeted forever as many of Orlais territoryes, this is very different situation about their jouning to Oralis empire when they have Blight problem, and Orlais with Orlais Chantry do not have their Circles and Templar Order in this moment and war with Dales with their Exalted Marches what they do later

2)they hate Orlais and this is the main thing, faith in Maker not change this and they will rather have their own Chanrty and teachings as Tevinter and Nevarra already did

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Well then so what if they hate Orlais?The teachings of the Chantry is that mages are too dangerous to let govern themselves. That wouldn't change. Tevinter is a place where magic and mages is are so intertwined with the social order and culutre that it wouldn't go on without it. That is not the case in Nevarra. It hasn't been a magocracy since the beggining of it's history.

Dark Korsar wrote...
4)we see them in DA and DA 2, comics

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

We see them where exactly?

1)the teachings of ORLAIS CHANTRY and as you remember Ferelden nobles and Maric with Logain have support from mages without problem to beat Orlais forces(or when they have no problem with dalish and Mages help to stop blight) and now they have a bad relationship with Orlais and Templars

Nevarra have their own Chantry teachings and they have Mortalitaxi with dragonhunters-reaver nobles, they not fear magic with blood magic and rather use it more openly agaist Orlais especially now

all human kingdoms have Magocraty since the beginning of history and many powerful nobles even from Orlais Ferelden still have mages blood. its just a matter of time when they all return to this system

2)some in Ferelden,some in Free Marches, some in Tevinter, some in Antiva/Rivain, we know about their existense in Nevarra

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 08 juin 2013 - 10:53 .

[Hazegurl]

Xilizhra wrote...

Utterly incorrect. The only action of the mages was to leave the Chantry. The Chantry did not militarily resist this; the templars had to betray the Chantry to attack the mages for themselves. This entire war has been provoked and started by the templars, but it'll be finished by the mages.

The Chantry betrayed the Templars. The whole mess was done in a haphazard and sloppy manner by the Divine and it was designed to back the Templars against the wall.

The Divine should have had a meeting with the Templars, inform them of her plans, try to reach a compromise and so on.  You don't hire a guard dog, help a burglar sneak in, then get mad at the dog for doing the job you trained it for. All the Templars knew were that the mages were escaping, naturally they would try to stop them. Now the Divine lost the trust of the Templars by acting like a fool instead of someone with duties and responsiblities.

[Xilizhra]

Hazegurl wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Utterly incorrect. The only action of the mages was to leave the Chantry. The Chantry did not militarily resist this; the templars had to betray the Chantry to attack the mages for themselves. This entire war has been provoked and started by the templars, but it'll be finished by the mages.

The Chantry betrayed the Templars. The whole mess was done in a haphazard and sloppy manner by the Divine and it was designed to back the Templars against the wall.

The Divine should have had a meeting with the Templars, inform them of her plans, try to reach a compromise and so on.  You don't hire a guard dog, help a burglar sneak in, then get mad at the dog for doing the job you trained it for. All the Templars knew were that the mages were escaping, naturally they would try to stop them. Now the Divine lost the trust of the Templars by acting like a fool instead of someone with duties and responsiblities.

A wall of the templars' own choosing. They should have listened to the Divine. They now act under no authority or mandate whatsoever but their own dreams of subjugation and possible genocide. In any case, this betrayal was by no means spontaneous; it happened when the Chantry decided not to declare war.

[billy the squid]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't think that is the intent of the templars. I think its the other way around with the mages waging war.

Utterly incorrect. The only action of the mages was to leave the Chantry. The Chantry did not militarily resist this; the templars had to betray the Chantry to attack the mages for themselves. This entire war has been provoked and started by the templars, but it'll be finished by the mages.

Whoa Hahahahaha

Yep, they just tried to assasinate a sympathetic Divine, murdered one of their own to manipulate a conclave of mages who had voted twice before not remove themselves, precipitating this entire conflict and escalating it. The inevitable outcome was the Templars would respond with force after that. The war was provoked by the mages and it will end when they're exterminated or on leashes. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Dark Korsar wrote...

all human kingdoms have Magocraty since the beginning of history and many powerful nobles even from Orlais Ferelden still have mages blood. its just a matter of time when they all return to this system

2)some in Ferelden,some in Free Marches, some in Tevinter, some in Antiva/Rivain, we know about their existense in Nevarra

1) What? No they don't. In Tevinter, mages exclusively make up the ruling class. That's why magic so unrestricted there. That's not the case in any other human kingdom.

2) I was asking for specific examples. Where are they in the games?

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 08 juin 2013 - 10:56 .

[Xilizhra]

Yep, they just tried to assasinate a sympathetic Divine, murdered one of their own to manipulate a conclave of mages who had voted twice before not remove themselves, precipitating this entire conflict and escalating it. The inevitable outcome was the Templars would respond with force after that. The war was provoked by the mages and it will end when they're exterminated or on leashes.

No one ever found the source of the assassin, and the Circle definitely didn't organize it. The only vote at the end was made when the Circle realized just how far the templars were willing to go, and it was a vote to secede from the Chantry. which accepted it insofar as they didn't declare war. The templars became a wholly new independent faction thereafter.

[Lulupab]

billy the squid wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't think that is the intent of the templars. I think its the other way around with the mages waging war.

Utterly incorrect. The only action of the mages was to leave the Chantry. The Chantry did not militarily resist this; the templars had to betray the Chantry to attack the mages for themselves. This entire war has been provoked and started by the templars, but it'll be finished by the mages.

Whoa Hahahahaha

Yep, they just tried to assasinate a sympathetic Divine, murdered one of their own to manipulate a conclave of mages who had voted twice before not remove themselves, precipitating this entire conflict and escalating it. The inevitable outcome was the Templars would respond with force after that. The war was provoked by the mages and it will end when they're exterminated or on leashes. 

By "they" you mean handful of blood mages who were supported by corrupt Templars, that is if we are talking about legend of the seeker.

Also, Anders provoked the whole thing and Meredith took his bait. He wanted to prove a point, no matter how extreme the method, he was successful. He proved that actions of 1 mage will affect all mages whereas it shouldn't. Meredith could have easily ordered Anders's death instead of calling annulment on the circle. What if instead of Anders a Templar did it? Would all Templars in the city get condemned for it? Obviously no. Or worse what if a Templar mass mureded a group of mages? Only that Templar would get the blame, and most likely he would go to prison and not killed.

If alive Anders will a instrument of Vengeance and if dead he is a martyr, a rallying call. Ironically one of his unqiue spells is named martyr.

Modifié par Rassler, 08 juin 2013 - 11:05 .

[Asdrubael Vect]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

all human kingdoms have Magocraty since the beginning of history and many powerful nobles even from Orlais Ferelden still have mages blood. its just a matter of time when they all return to this system

2)some in Ferelden,some in Free Marches, some in Tevinter, some in Antiva/Rivain, we know about their existense in Nevarra

1) What? No they don't. In Tevinter, mages exclusively make up the ruling class. That's why magic so unrestricted there. That's not the case in any other human kingdom.

2) I was asking for specific examples. Where are they in the games?

1)you forget that other human kingdoms was the part of Tevinter and nobles still share some mages blood in their veins more or less

2)in game we see them in Denerim, Heaven(yes they are) and Kirkwall with desert lands in Free Marches...and we see them in DA comics, damn anime about Cassandra

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 08 juin 2013 - 11:14 .

[billy the squid]

Xilizhra wrote...

Yep, they just tried to assasinate a sympathetic Divine, murdered one of their own to manipulate a conclave of mages who had voted twice before not remove themselves, precipitating this entire conflict and escalating it. The inevitable outcome was the Templars would respond with force after that. The war was provoked by the mages and it will end when they're exterminated or on leashes.

No one ever found the source of the assassin, and the Circle definitely didn't organize it. The only vote at the end was made when the Circle realized just how far the templars were willing to go, and it was a vote to secede from the Chantry. which accepted it insofar as they didn't declare war. The templars became a wholly new independent faction thereafter.

Senior Enchanter of the Circle, member of the Libiterian faction, used blood magic. It's fairly obvious it came from within the Circle and vindicates the Templars assertion. Mages can't even restrain their own members and police themselves yet they want to secede from the Chantry entirely, just look at the tranquil's dabbling with demons which then over ran the entire fortress.

The vote was deliberately manipuated by the Libertarean faction who murdered a tranquil to place incriminating evidence within the chamber of a senior enchaneter to force them to move aginst the Templars who would try and prevent the vote to rebel, when it had initially been conviened to discuss treatment of mages within the cirle and the conditions. 

The Mages declared war by direct resistance, murder, assassination attempts and manipulation of the Divine's sympathy towards the Circle. Once they resisted and eclared themselves independent, then and only then, did the Templars break from the Chantry to establish order again, after the Divine's utter failure to bring the Circle into line and address the situation, in breach of the original treaty, which was now open rebellion. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Dark Korsar wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

all human kingdoms have Magocraty since the beginning of history and many powerful nobles even from Orlais Ferelden still have mages blood. its just a matter of time when they all return to this system

2)some in Ferelden,some in Free Marches, some in Tevinter, some in Antiva/Rivain, we know about their existense in Nevarra

1) What? No they don't. In Tevinter, mages exclusively make up the ruling class. That's why magic so unrestricted there. That's not the case in any other human kingdom.

2) I was asking for specific examples. Where are they in the games?

1)you forget that other human kingdoms was the part of Tevinter and nobles still share some mages blood in their veins more or less

2)in game we see them in Denerim, Heaven(yes they are) and Kirkwall with desert lands in Free Marches...and we see them in DA comics, damn anime about Cassandra

The fact that most peoples of Thedas used to be under Tevinter occupation doesn't mean the nations that rose after the decline of the Imperium were ever ruled by mages.

Haven is ruled by a Dragon Cult. That is not the same as the religion of the Old Gods. They worship a specific High Dragon that they think is Andraste. Otherwise point out specific quests or NPCS that explcitly worship the Old Gods, living or otherwise.

[Xilizhra]

If the templars intend to declare their treaty void, then the true Inquisition will bury them, and sign a new treaty.

[Asdrubael Vect]

billy the squid wrote...

Whoa Hahahahaha

Yep, they just tried to assasinate a sympathetic Divine, murdered one of their own to manipulate a conclave of mages who had voted twice before not remove themselves, precipitating this entire conflict and escalating it. The inevitable outcome was the Templars would respond with force after that. The war was provoked by the mages and it will end when they're exterminated or on leashes. 

1)ORLY? Divine later perfectly know about Templars and Chantry members who try to assasinate her and сircle mages who run from circle to protect her and city...she even made ex-circle-apostage mage as Enchanter

2)ORLY? war was provoken by Templars who later was claimed as renegades

3)ORLY? even Orlais Chantry choose Mages so they think that they would win

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 08 juin 2013 - 11:26 .

[billy the squid]

Xilizhra wrote...

If the templars intend to declare their treaty void, then the true Inquisition will bury them, and sign a new treaty.

The Templars are the Inquisition. They are the militant arm of the Chantry. The higher echelons of the Templar Order are the Seekers, members of the Inquisition.

Edit: Lambert seperates the Seekers from the Chantry along with the Templars. The Seekers are overseers do you really think they have the numbers and military to take on the entire Templar Order. The system is now defunct. 

Modifié par billy the squid, 08 juin 2013 - 11:39 .

[billy the squid]

Dark Korsar wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Whoa Hahahahaha

Yep, they just tried to assasinate a sympathetic Divine, murdered one of their own to manipulate a conclave of mages who had voted twice before not remove themselves, precipitating this entire conflict and escalating it. The inevitable outcome was the Templars would respond with force after that. The war was provoked by the mages and it will end when they're exterminated or on leashes. 

1)ORLY? Divine later perfectly know about Templars and Chantry members who try to assasinate her and сircle mages who run from circle to protect her and city...she even made ex-circle-apostage mage as Enchanter

2)ORLY? war was provoken by Templars who later was claimed as renegades

3)ORLY? even Orlais Chantry choose Mages so they think that they would win

See my previous post for more detailed explaination.