its mostly the same thing and not so different from actual Old Gods..Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Haven is ruled by a Dragon Cult. That is not the same as the religion of the Old Gods. They worship a specific High Dragon that they think is Andraste. Otherwise point out specific quests or NPCS that explcitly worship the Old Gods, living or otherwise.
Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 08 juin 2013 - 11:42 .
you foget that Chantry knows about Templars Order and First Enchanters who still knows and use blood magic for the Order and Circlebilly the squid wrote...
Dark Korsar wrote...
1)ORLY? Divine later perfectly know about Templars and Chantry members who try to assasinate her and сircle mages who run from circle to protect her and city...she even made ex-circle-apostage mage as Enchanterbilly the squid wrote...
Whoa Hahahahaha
Yep, they just tried to assasinate a sympathetic Divine, murdered one of their own to manipulate a conclave of mages who had voted twice before not remove themselves, precipitating this entire conflict and escalating it. The inevitable outcome was the Templars would respond with force after that. The war was provoked by the mages and it will end when they're exterminated or on leashes.
2)ORLY? war was provoken by Templars who later was claimed as renegades
3)ORLY? even Orlais Chantry choose Mages so they think that they would win
See my previous post for more detailed explaination.
Modifié par Dark Korsar, 08 juin 2013 - 11:48 .
you forgot about Old God worchipers who adheres to the old ways of the Old GodsJedi Master of Orion wrote...
But it's not the same. The cult of the Old Gods worships 7 specific beings who aren't the same as regular dragons and have a specific theology. In the Codex Entry about Dragon Cult Genetivi mentions that in some places the Tevinter Imperium didn't touch, dragon cults still exist, even in places where people have never heard of the Old Gods.
Dragon Cults are fringe groups. Genetivi also mentions that they live in the caves with the dragons and that no cult has ever been taken alive to explain themselves. They can't make up a large part of any nations populations, especially since dragons themselves are so rare.
Modifié par Dark Korsar, 08 juin 2013 - 11:50 .
Well, I'll need to align with the mages and any who work with them. However, the mages are still standing strong in this war, even with their numerical disadvantage, so they've clearly got something going for them. More, I suspect, than you think.billy the squid wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
If the templars intend to declare their treaty void, then the true Inquisition will bury them, and sign a new treaty.
The Templars are the Inquisition. They are the militant arm of the Chantry. The higher echelons of the Templar Order are the Seekers, members of the Inquisition.
Edit: Lambert seperates the Seekers from the Chantry along with the Templars. The Seekers are overseers do you really think they have the numbers and military to take on the entire Templar Order. The system is now defunct.
Dark Korsar wrote...
Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
But it's not the same. The cult of the Old Gods worships 7 specific beings who aren't the same as regular dragons and have a specific theology. In the Codex Entry about Dragon Cult Genetivi mentions that in some places the Tevinter Imperium didn't touch, dragon cults still exist, even in places where people have never heard of the Old Gods.
Dragon Cults are fringe groups. Genetivi also mentions that they live in the caves with the dragons and that no cult has ever been taken alive to explain themselves. They can't make up a large part of any nations populations, especially since dragons themselves are so rare.
you forgot about Old God worchipers who adheres to the old ways of the Old Gods
Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 08 juin 2013 - 11:51 .
1)Fallstic band is from old ways Old God worshipersJedi Master of Orion wrote...
Dark Korsar wrote...
Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
But it's not the same. The cult of the Old Gods worships 7 specific beings who aren't the same as regular dragons and have a specific theology. In the Codex Entry about Dragon Cult Genetivi mentions that in some places the Tevinter Imperium didn't touch, dragon cults still exist, even in places where people have never heard of the Old Gods.
Dragon Cults are fringe groups. Genetivi also mentions that they live in the caves with the dragons and that no cult has ever been taken alive to explain themselves. They can't make up a large part of any nations populations, especially since dragons themselves are so rare.
you forgot about Old God worchipers who adheres to the old ways of the Old Gods
Who are where, exactly? You said there are everywhere but if so Name specific examples in Dragon Age Origins or Dragon Age 2 of people who follow the theology of the Cult of the Old Gods.
Modifié par Dark Korsar, 09 juin 2013 - 12:01 .
Dark Korsar wrote...
you foget that Chantry knows about Templars Order and First Enchanters who still knows and use blood magicbilly the squid wrote...
Dark Korsar wrote...
1)ORLY? Divine later perfectly know about Templars and Chantry members who try to assasinate her and сircle mages who run from circle to protect her and city...she even made ex-circle-apostage mage as Enchanterbilly the squid wrote...
Whoa Hahahahaha
Yep, they just tried to assasinate a sympathetic Divine, murdered one of their own to manipulate a conclave of mages who had voted twice before not remove themselves, precipitating this entire conflict and escalating it. The inevitable outcome was the Templars would respond with force after that. The war was provoked by the mages and it will end when they're exterminated or on leashes.
2)ORLY? war was provoken by Templars who later was claimed as renegades
3)ORLY? even Orlais Chantry choose Mages so they think that they would win
See my previous post for more detailed explaination.
and still some Templars tryed to assasinate Divine and now disobeyed Divine orders and be claimed as renegades and Chantry support mages
Xilizhra wrote...
Well, I'll need to align with the mages and any who work with them. However, the mages are still standing strong in this war, even with their numerical disadvantage, so they've clearly got something going for them. More, I suspect, than you think.billy the squid wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
If the templars intend to declare their treaty void, then the true Inquisition will bury them, and sign a new treaty.
The Templars are the Inquisition. They are the militant arm of the Chantry. The higher echelons of the Templar Order are the Seekers, members of the Inquisition.
Edit: Lambert seperates the Seekers from the Chantry along with the Templars. The Seekers are overseers do you really think they have the numbers and military to take on the entire Templar Order. The system is now defunct.
billy the squid wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Well, I'll need to align with the mages and any who work with them. However, the mages are still standing strong in this war, even with their numerical disadvantage, so they've clearly got something going for them. More, I suspect, than you think.billy the squid wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
If the templars intend to declare their treaty void, then the true Inquisition will bury them, and sign a new treaty.
The Templars are the Inquisition. They are the militant arm of the Chantry. The higher echelons of the Templar Order are the Seekers, members of the Inquisition.
Edit: Lambert seperates the Seekers from the Chantry along with the Templars. The Seekers are overseers do you really think they have the numbers and military to take on the entire Templar Order. The system is now defunct.
For now they are. As of the events of Asunder the war has only just begun. And they're facing the entire Templar Order and the Seekers, who were once the Inquisition, before the formation of the Circle, their purpose was to hunt mages and cultists across Thedas, and they were far more ruthless than anything which came after the Chantry was established. So we'll see what happens.
Modifié par Rassler, 09 juin 2013 - 12:08 .
We will, and it won't be your fanboy slaughterhouse dreams, I assure you. For two prime reasons: first, mages are far easier to sympathize with by the general fanbase, especially if they're toned down from DA2 levels; second, it's narratively completely pointless to just return to the status quo or something similar, so either the mages will win or something else completely will happen. The templars will never and can never win.For now they are. As of the events of Asunder the war has only just begun. And they're facing the entire Templar Order and the Seekers, who were once the Inquisition, before the formation of the Circle, their purpose was to hunt mages and cultists across Thedas, and they were far more ruthless than anything which came after the Chantry was established. So we'll see what happens.
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1)the Inquisition become Orlais Chantry army and was separeted to founded Templars Order and Seekers(who as we can understand was the main core of Inquisition) ~700 years before, now we have new Inquisition who have mages who can not worship Makerbilly the squid wrote...
The Divine broke the accords which bound the Inquisition and Templars to the Chantry. She lost complete control of the situation and the Templars reverted to their original purpose when they were the Inquisition.
The Chanty has no power whatsoever. The Templars and Seekers were the militant arm of the Chantry and the Chantry ended the accords.
Modifié par Dark Korsar, 09 juin 2013 - 12:14 .
Because it's just a return to the status quo. It's a story that ultimately accomplishes nothing. That might be used in some artsy novels/movies, but not in a triple-A game series. Also, the fact that we can't have both a mage ending and a templar ending, the divergence would be too great; if they have to choose one (I'm not saying they will), it'll be mage, for both the reasons of narrative structure and those of general audience appeal. Many, many more people would consider a templar victory just another issue of stupid grimness after a whole game full of it that turned them off earlier.EntropicAngel wrote...
Why can't the Templars win, Xil? From a designing-the-story standpoint, not personal convictions.
Homebound wrote...
i think the templars and the mages need healthy doses of hatesex tbh.
This seems likely. I doubt the mages will have a conventional victory, but I do believe they'll be free by the end.Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Frankly I'm assuming the Mage-Templar was is going to be interrupted by something else and won't have a conventional end. The entire world is supposed to be spiraling out of control so I expect everyone to get caught up some part of it before the end.
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Xilizhra wrote...
Because it's just a return to the status quo. It's a story that ultimately accomplishes nothing. That might be used in some artsy novels/movies, but not in a triple-A game series. Also, the fact that we can't have both a mage ending and a templar ending, the divergence would be too great; if they have to choose one (I'm not saying they will), it'll be mage, for both the reasons of narrative structure and those of general audience appeal. Many, many more people would consider a templar victory just another issue of stupid grimness after a whole game full of it that turned them off earlier.
Me too. I doubt the entire game will be dedicated to Mage-Templar. Only a piece. And its outcome will be heavily influenced by other in-game events.Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Frankly I'm assuming the Mage-Templar was is going to be interrupted by something else and won't have a conventional end. The entire world is supposed to be spiraling out of control so I expect everyone to get caught up some part of it before the end.
Quite so. I don't even agree with the bolded point. However, it's a PoV that Bioware needs to keep in mind, as it was quite a common one.EntropicAngel wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Because it's just a return to the status quo. It's a story that ultimately accomplishes nothing. That might be used in some artsy novels/movies, but not in a triple-A game series. Also, the fact that we can't have both a mage ending and a templar ending, the divergence would be too great; if they have to choose one (I'm not saying they will), it'll be mage, for both the reasons of narrative structure and those of general audience appeal. Many, many more people would consider a templar victory just another issue of stupid grimness after a whole game full of it that turned them off earlier.
That's a fair point.
But the bolded is quite debatable.
Xilizhra wrote...
We will, and it won't be your fanboy slaughterhouse dreams, I assure you. For two prime reasons: first, mages are far easier to sympathize with by the general fanbase, especially if they're toned down from DA2 levels; second, it's narratively completely pointless to just return to the status quo or something similar, so either the mages will win or something else completely will happen. The templars will never and can never win.For now they are. As of the events of Asunder the war has only just begun. And they're facing the entire Templar Order and the Seekers, who were once the Inquisition, before the formation of the Circle, their purpose was to hunt mages and cultists across Thedas, and they were far more ruthless than anything which came after the Chantry was established. So we'll see what happens.
Modifié par billy the squid, 09 juin 2013 - 01:07 .
before war it was as we can understand only ~30000-60000 Templars with 15 KC in ALL THEDASEntropicAngel wrote...
Why can't the Templars win? From a designing-the-story standpoint, not personal convictions.
Modifié par Dark Korsar, 09 juin 2013 - 12:42 .
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