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[LobselVith8]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
I agree about Feynriel. Given his background in the Alienage, I think he could grow up to be a good man, and try to change Tevinter for the better. He certainly uses his power for good if he's sent to Tevinter - preventing the rape of a young woman named Orlanna by bandits who kidnapped her. 

Yes. Brainwashing her into falling in love with him, is such a noble move, and a true show of his righteous character.....

Feynriel didn't brainwash Orlanna to fall in love with him.

[Dave of Canada]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'm going to love seeing everyone blame the mages for the apocalypse.

I'm going to love being the blood mage everyone thinks is probably personally responsible.

You ARE responsible, you monster.

[EmperorSahlertz]

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
I agree about Feynriel. Given his background in the Alienage, I think he could grow up to be a good man, and try to change Tevinter for the better. He certainly uses his power for good if he's sent to Tevinter - preventing the rape of a young woman named Orlanna by bandits who kidnapped her. 

Yes. Brainwashing her into falling in love with him, is such a noble move, and a true show of his righteous character.....

Feynriel didn't brainwash Orlanna to fall in love with him.

People don't fall in love with persons they have only seen in dreams. And certainly don't talk and act like Orlanna, after she wakes. There is most certainly foulplay involved.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 11 juin 2013 - 12:27 .

[TK514]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
I agree about Feynriel. Given his background in the Alienage, I think he could grow up to be a good man, and try to change Tevinter for the better. He certainly uses his power for good if he's sent to Tevinter - preventing the rape of a young woman named Orlanna by bandits who kidnapped her. 

Yes. Brainwashing her into falling in love with him, is such a noble move, and a true show of his righteous character.....

Feynriel didn't brainwash Orlanna to fall in love with him.

People don't fall in love with persons they have only seen in dreams. And certainly don't talk and act like how Orlanna after she wakes. There is most certainly foulplay involved.

I thought she was just an idiot, actually.  Or suffering some temporary insanity after almost being violated and murdered, passing out, and then waking up with her virtue intact and a bunch of corpses all around her.

[LobselVith8]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Feynriel didn't brainwash Orlanna to fall in love with him.

People don't fall in love with persons they have only seen in dreams. And certainly don't talk and act like Orlanna, after she wakes. There is most certainly foulplay involved. 

Feynriel rescued Orlanna from the bandits who intended to rape her, and simply told her not to worry while he dispatched the bandits with his magical abilities. I don't see the point in vilifying Feynriel.

[EmperorSahlertz]

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Feynriel didn't brainwash Orlanna to fall in love with him.

People don't fall in love with persons they have only seen in dreams. And certainly don't talk and act like Orlanna, after she wakes. There is most certainly foulplay involved. 

Feynriel rescued Orlanna from the bandits who intended to rape her, and simply told her not to worry while he dispatched the bandits with his magical abilities. I don't see the point in vilifying Feynriel.

Because something unnatural was going on. The only one who had been inside her mind was Feynriel, who we know has the power to force her to fall in love with him. A person does not just fall in love with another person from their dreams. There is something fishy going on, and denying that, is just you trying to whitewash Feynriel.

[Il Divo]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'm going to love seeing everyone blame the mages for the apocalypse.

I'm going to love being the blood mage everyone thinks is probably personally responsible.

Pretty much this.

[LobselVith8]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Feynriel rescued Orlanna from the bandits who intended to rape her, and simply told her not to worry while he dispatched the bandits with his magical abilities. I don't see the point in vilifying Feynriel. 

Because something unnatural was going on. The only one who had been inside her mind was Feynriel, who we know has the power to force her to fall in love with him. A person does not just fall in love with another person from their dreams. There is something fishy going on, and denying that, is just you trying to whitewash Feynriel. 

People fall in love for many different reasons, and under different circumstances.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Feynriel didn't brainwash Orlanna to fall in love with him.

People don't fall in love with persons they have only seen in dreams. And certainly don't talk and act like Orlanna, after she wakes. There is most certainly foulplay involved. 

Feynriel rescued Orlanna from the bandits who intended to rape her, and simply told her not to worry while he dispatched the bandits with his magical abilities. I don't see the point in vilifying Feynriel.

Because something unnatural was going on. The only one who had been inside her mind was Feynriel, who we know has the power to force her to fall in love with him. A person does not just fall in love with another person from their dreams. There is something fishy going on, and denying that, is just you trying to whitewash Feynriel.

I think you're forgetting that Feynriel had just saved her from being raped. Notwithstanding that your explanation accounts for all the facts, (edit:except for the moral compass Feynriel hints at having in his letter) there is a plausible alternative reason for her to have fallen in love with him.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 11 juin 2013 - 12:45 .

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
I agree about Feynriel. Given his background in the Alienage, I think he could grow up to be a good man, and try to change Tevinter for the better. He certainly uses his power for good if he's sent to Tevinter - preventing the rape of a young woman named Orlanna by bandits who kidnapped her. 

Yes. Brainwashing her into falling in love with him, is such a noble move, and a true show of his righteous character.....

Feynriel didn't brainwash Orlanna to fall in love with him.

People don't fall in love with persons they have only seen in dreams. And certainly don't talk and act like Orlanna, after she wakes. There is most certainly foulplay involved.

Not really. Hero worship isn't that unheard of. If he had really brainwashed her, she would've talked about how she would've looked for him and tried to find him, then moved to where he was. 

Which still wouldn't discount the stalker/hero-worship/fall-in-love angle, but it'd be more supportive of the whole brainwashing schtick.

All she's doing is going to take a nap in the hopes she'll see him again, particularly because she was just saved from losing her maidenhood by gangrape. Seems pretty understandable for her to fall in love after something like that.

What the hell is Feynriel going to do from half the continent away any time he sees her in the Fade anyway? Bang her there? She's the daughter of a very unimportant figure in Kirkwall's political arena, which means there'd be no point to really controlling her mind.

Plus, Avernus who is also implied to be a Somniari by his comments in DAO was not able to mind control people. And of course, Feynriel is studying under a Somniari in Tevinter. Since his master is a Somniari, then why the hell isn't he mind controlling Tevinter to bow down to him? Or the rest of Thedas?

I really doubt mind control works unless you're up close and personal with someone.

And considering that's pretty much all we've seen of mind control, yeah.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 11 juin 2013 - 12:46 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Of course there is an alternative. Either is scenario is entirely plausible. I just don't trust Feynriel as far as I can throw him. And I strongly dislike when people takes his side unquestioned, especially considering the power he holds. I particularly dislike any form of whitewash of him, glorifying him as some sort of paragon of knightly virtue, when all we really have to go on, is a grand total of three (or is it four?) times we talk to him.

And even hero worship is about the fartherest of a stretch you can possibly make. The girl was barely miutes ago saved from a rape. The natural reaction that that, is NOT to take a nap, but to run scared for your life.... Something very fishy is going on, wether it is malicious or benign will hopefully be discovered in the future.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 11 juin 2013 - 12:50 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'm going to love seeing everyone blame the mages for the apocalypse.

I'm going to love being the blood mage everyone thinks is probably personally responsible.

You ARE responsible, you monster.

Not personally. (At least, I don't think Bioware will give me that option.)

[MisterJB]

If that rift was caused by the mages, I can't wait to see some of the pro-mages desperatelly trying to justify it.
"If it wasn't for the templars, the mages wouldn't have to open a portal into HELL itself and release an untold number of demons into Thedas. If the mages gain their freedom, it's totally worth it."

[LobselVith8]

MisterJB wrote...

If that rift was caused by the mages, I can't wait to see some of the pro-mages desperatelly trying to justify it.
"If it wasn't for the templars, the mages wouldn't have to open a portal into HELL itself and release an untold number of demons into Thedas. If the mages gain their freedom, it's totally worth it."

It seems like this thread can't go anywhere else but down at this point...

[TEWR]

If the Mages do cause that rift... I'm switching sides. But I will **** about how poor it is if it renders ALL Mages (or even most) as being the cause of that.

That is, if they did it knowingly. If it's just a byproduct of the war, that's fine. If it's just something a few ****** Resolutionists like Adrian did, that's also fine.

It'll ****** me off and endear me more to the Templars, but I'll be content with how it's portrayed.

Though I wonder if it's tied to Urthemiel, given Sandal's prophecy only appears in DR imported saves and what he says reflects what the trailer portrays.

[MisterJB]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Though I wonder if it's tied to Urthemiel, given Sandal's prophecy only appears in DR imported saves and what he says reflects what the trailer portrays.

He did left out the most important part "The skies will open wide and an army of demons will descend upon the land." We could have used that information some years ago.

[Dave of Canada]

Not only are mages hounded by demons mentally, they're both hounded by demons and Templar physically as well. That'll go over well.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

If the Mages do cause that rift... I'm switching sides. But I will **** about how poor it is if it renders ALL Mages (or even most) as being the cause of that.

That is, if they did it knowingly. If it's just a byproduct of the war, that's fine. If it's just something a few ****** Resolutionists like Adrian did, that's also fine.

It'll ****** me off and endear me more to the Templars, but I'll be content with how it's portrayed.

If they're responsible, I'd assume it's due to influence from outside sources and too much the fact that mages thin the Veil with their presence and abilities.

If they're not responsible, the mundanes will most definitely blame them anyways. They blame minor things on mages, imagine an entire demonic apocalypse.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Though I wonder if it's tied to Urthemiel, given Sandal's prophecy only appears in DR imported saves and what he says reflects what the trailer portrays.

Probably tied but not mandatory, I doubt we're only going to see rifts from hell in a playthrough where one made a choice. We know Dragons are partially responsible, though. An Old God? Can probably make it indefinitely worse.

[MisterJB]

LobselVith8 wrote...

It seems like this thread can't go anywhere else but down at this point...

What? We shouldn't comment on yet another marvellous example of the wondrous things magic can do for Thedas? Or rather, to Thedas?

[LobselVith8]

MisterJB wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

It seems like this thread can't go anywhere else but down at this point...

What? We shouldn't comment on yet another marvellous example of the wondrous things magic can do for Thedas? Or rather, to Thedas? 

I was thinking more along the lines of how pro-mage posters already address the failings of some mages, as well as the dangers of magic, but don't support the Chantry controlled Circles or the Order of Templars. Pro-mage posters already address that there are bad mages who do heinous things, but a small segment of the mage populace isn't going to cause us to vilify every man, woman, and child in Thedas with magical ability. If your proposal about the 'rift' was true, I'm still not going to support the Chantry of Andraste or the Order of Templars in condemning every single mage for the actions of a few.

[MisterJB]

The hat fit, did it? I wasn't even trying to say how DA3 is going to change people's opinions; some of us are already far too entrenched for that; only that I couldn't wait to see SOME pro-mages trying to justify opening a portal into Hell.
Was that a preview?

[LobselVith8]

MisterJB wrote...

The hat fit, did it? I wasn't even trying to say how DA3 is going to change people's opinions; some of us are already far too entrenched for that; only that I couldn't wait to see SOME pro-mages trying to justify opening a portal into Hell.
Was that a preview?

You let me know where I justified opening a portal to Hell, because I'm getting pretty damn tired of your asinine remarks.

[MisterJB]

Well, not responding to my posts would be a nice start if your intention is to avoid them, yes?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

LobselVith8 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

The hat fit, did it? I wasn't even trying to say how DA3 is going to change people's opinions; some of us are already far too entrenched for that; only that I couldn't wait to see SOME pro-mages trying to justify opening a portal into Hell.
Was that a preview?

You let me know where I justified opening a portal to Hell, because I'm getting pretty damn tired of your asinine remarks.

He didn't mention names. Though I am interested in knowing how Plaintiff would feel about it...

[Xilizhra]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Feynriel didn't brainwash Orlanna to fall in love with him.

People don't fall in love with persons they have only seen in dreams. And certainly don't talk and act like Orlanna, after she wakes. There is most certainly foulplay involved. 

Feynriel rescued Orlanna from the bandits who intended to rape her, and simply told her not to worry while he dispatched the bandits with his magical abilities. I don't see the point in vilifying Feynriel.

Because something unnatural was going on. The only one who had been inside her mind was Feynriel, who we know has the power to force her to fall in love with him. A person does not just fall in love with another person from their dreams. There is something fishy going on, and denying that, is just you trying to whitewash Feynriel.

She's like seventeen, and had a remarkably intense experience (and is also apparently prone to fainting spells). Additionally, in a more metagamish fashion, the quest is far too comedic in tone to strike me as some kind of foreshadowing of anything dark.

As for this rift, this could never be approved by the entire Circle, for both moral and strategic regions. I'm wholly unconcerned; this is probably the work of whatever third party is trying to stir up general chaos. Unless the rebels found a way to reliably control demons... in which case, kudos.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 11 juin 2013 - 02:51 .

[Boycott Bioware]

Funny how Templar supporters trying to demonize Feynriel....while he did a noble thing without asking a reward, riches or power...there is nothing that can demonize that character....If the one he help fall in love with him, is that wrong?

Mind control to get love? LOL

I am sure there are a lot of hot girls in Tevinter to mind controled and rape them if he want to