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[Hazegurl]

After this trailer the Templar love is strong. Good bye Mage school.

I still hope to save some decent mages though but now i'm unsure about the Circle's effectiveness. In the Trailer it says you can either join in the destruction or stand against it. So I'm assuming mages(or the more radical ones) have to be for the destruction.

[Dave of Canada]

Depends what having demons in the physical realm means for mages, demons originally wanted a mage because that's how they'd gain access to the material world and they'd become stronger. Who knows, the weaker ones might abandon their pursuit of mages?

I'm curious if we'll see Vengeance come out of the rift if we killed Anders or how Anders would react to the fact that the Fade is right there. Wouldn't be surprised if Vengeance assumed full control and the Anders personality was totally destroyed.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 11 juin 2013 - 03:22 .

[Xilizhra]

Hazegurl wrote...

After this trailer the Templar love is strong. Good bye Mage school.

I still hope to save some decent mages though but now i'm unsure about the Circle's effectiveness. In the Trailer it says you can either join in the destruction or stand against it. So I'm assuming mages(or the more radical ones) have to be for the destruction.

Er, why in the world would you think that?  It's almost certainly one of those rhetorical statements that means that the PC will always be standing against the destruction regardless of which side they take.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 11 juin 2013 - 03:30 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Xilizhra wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

After this trailer the Templar love is strong. Good bye Mage school.

I still hope to save some decent mages though but now i'm unsure about the Circle's effectiveness. In the Trailer it says you can either join in the destruction or stand against it. So I'm assuming mages(or the more radical ones) have to be for the destruction.

Er, why in the world would you think that?  It's almost certainly one of those rhetorical statements that means that the PC will always be standing against the destruction regardless of which side they take.

I think you're wrong there. Knowing Bioware, I'll just bet there's an option to side with whatever's causing this.

That said, I think you're probably right in that the mages of the Mage-Templar war are probably not causing this. Or, not the group as a whole anyway. Adrian?... maybe.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 11 juin 2013 - 03:39 .

[Xilizhra]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

After this trailer the Templar love is strong. Good bye Mage school.

I still hope to save some decent mages though but now i'm unsure about the Circle's effectiveness. In the Trailer it says you can either join in the destruction or stand against it. So I'm assuming mages(or the more radical ones) have to be for the destruction.

Er, why in the world would you think that?  It's almost certainly one of those rhetorical statements that means that the PC will always be standing against the destruction regardless of which side they take.

I think you're wrong there. Knowing Bioware, I'll just bet there's an option to side with whatever's causing this.

That said, I think you're probably right in that the mages of the Mage-Templar war are probably not causing this. Or, not the group as a whole anyway. Adrian?... maybe.

The Adrian hate goes a shade far on this forum, I feel. As for the rest... no, why would there be? You couldn't side with the darkspawn in DAO, you couldn't side with the Reapers in ME as a whole or Cerberus in ME3, and you couldn't side with, well, anyone for long in DA2.

[Hazegurl]

Xilizhra wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

After this trailer the Templar love is strong. Good bye Mage school.

I still hope to save some decent mages though but now i'm unsure about the Circle's effectiveness. In the Trailer it says you can either join in the destruction or stand against it. So I'm assuming mages(or the more radical ones) have to be for the destruction.

Er, why in the world would you think that?  It's almost certainly one of those rhetorical statements that means that the PC will always be standing against the destruction regardless of which side they take.

Well, who else is tearing open veils? And you can aid them so I assume that it must be some sort of radical mage group.

[Xilizhra]

Hazegurl wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

After this trailer the Templar love is strong. Good bye Mage school.

I still hope to save some decent mages though but now i'm unsure about the Circle's effectiveness. In the Trailer it says you can either join in the destruction or stand against it. So I'm assuming mages(or the more radical ones) have to be for the destruction.

Er, why in the world would you think that?  It's almost certainly one of those rhetorical statements that means that the PC will always be standing against the destruction regardless of which side they take.

Well, who else is tearing open veils? And you can aid them so I assume that it must be some sort of radical mage group.

Flemeth? Tevinter? The templars themselves who want to throw the blame on mages? Qunari trying to soften up Thedas? It could be a lot of people, and your assumption that they can be aided is wholly unfounded.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Xilizhra wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

I think you're wrong there. Knowing Bioware, I'll just bet there's an option to side with whatever's causing this.

That said, I think you're probably right in that the mages of the Mage-Templar war are probably not causing this. Or, not the group as a whole anyway. Adrian?... maybe.

The Adrian hate goes a shade far on this forum, I feel. As for the rest... no, why would there be? You couldn't side with the darkspawn in DAO, you couldn't side with the Reapers in ME as a whole or Cerberus in ME3, and you couldn't side with, well, anyone for long in DA2.

I don't know what she's capable of. She framed her friend for murder, and despite your explanations she really didn't come off well when we were discussing that inn thing.

As whether or not you get to take control of that rift, Awakenings did let you side with the darkspawn who started the Fifth Blight. You were allowed to help the Templars with a really shady Annulment in DA2.  You were allowed to hand Cerberus the Collector base, you were allowed to sell them Legion. At the end of the last NWN1 expansion, you were allowed to do essentially exactly what I'm suggesting here, though adjusted for setting differences. And I'm given to understand you're allowed to destroy the world in Jade Empire. The choice Bioware implies in that trailer wouldn't be all that far out of left field, really.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 11 juin 2013 - 03:59 .

[Xilizhra]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

I think you're wrong there. Knowing Bioware, I'll just bet there's an option to side with whatever's causing this.

That said, I think you're probably right in that the mages of the Mage-Templar war are probably not causing this. Or, not the group as a whole anyway. Adrian?... maybe.

The Adrian hate goes a shade far on this forum, I feel. As for the rest... no, why would there be? You couldn't side with the darkspawn in DAO, you couldn't side with the Reapers in ME as a whole or Cerberus in ME3, and you couldn't side with, well, anyone for long in DA2.

I don't know what she's capable of. She framed her friend for murder, and despite your explanations she really didn't come off well when we were discussing that inn thing.

As whether or not you get to take control of that rift, Awakenings did let you side with the darkspawn who started the Fifth Blight. You were allowed to help the Templars with a really shady Annulment in DA2.  You were allowed to hand Cerberus the Collector base, you were allowed to sell them Legion. At the end of the last NWN1 expansion, you were allowed to do essentially exactly what I'm suggesting here, though adjusted for setting differences. And I'm given to understand you're allowed to destroy the world in Jade Empire. The choice Bioware implies in that trailer wouldn't be all that far out of left field, really.

What all of those (in more recent games) have in common is that none of them affect the main plot all that much. The first three take place at the very end of the game, and in the second one, it doesn't matter to anyone except the mages you murder in the long run. Selling Legion only screws you out of a way to make peace in the next game. And as Dragon Age, unlike Jade Empire, is a continuing series, destroying the world seems highly implausible.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Xilizhra wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...


As whether or not you get to take control of that rift, Awakenings did let you side with the darkspawn who started the Fifth Blight. You were allowed to help the Templars with a really shady Annulment in DA2.  You were allowed to hand Cerberus the Collector base, you were allowed to sell them Legion. At the end of the last NWN1 expansion, you were allowed to do essentially exactly what I'm suggesting here, though adjusted for setting differences. And I'm given to understand you're allowed to destroy the world in Jade Empire. The choice Bioware implies in that trailer wouldn't be all that far out of left field, really.

What all of those (in more recent games) have in common is that none of them affect the main plot all that much. The first three take place at the very end of the game, and in the second one, it doesn't matter to anyone except the mages you murder in the long run. Selling Legion only screws you out of a way to make peace in the next game. And as Dragon Age, unlike Jade Empire, is a continuing series, destroying the world seems highly implausible.

Who says they want to destroy it? It might be just a world conquest scheme, for all we've seen. If that's the case, why wouldn't Bioware let us help them? Even assuming the rift's makers want to destroy the world, I seem to recall reading somewhere that Bioware's not sure how long they'll keep the save import system anyway. In fact, I think they're not entirely sure they'll make a Dragon Age IV.

Furthermore, I seem to recall a bad ending in Mass Effect 2 where you messed up so badly Shepherd dies, and you can't import that game. So, there's precedent for a decision that messes the world up so bad you can't import, too. I really don't think this is that far out of their common way.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 11 juin 2013 - 04:16 .

[Xilizhra]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...


As whether or not you get to take control of that rift, Awakenings did let you side with the darkspawn who started the Fifth Blight. You were allowed to help the Templars with a really shady Annulment in DA2.  You were allowed to hand Cerberus the Collector base, you were allowed to sell them Legion. At the end of the last NWN1 expansion, you were allowed to do essentially exactly what I'm suggesting here, though adjusted for setting differences. And I'm given to understand you're allowed to destroy the world in Jade Empire. The choice Bioware implies in that trailer wouldn't be all that far out of left field, really.

What all of those (in more recent games) have in common is that none of them affect the main plot all that much. The first three take place at the very end of the game, and in the second one, it doesn't matter to anyone except the mages you murder in the long run. Selling Legion only screws you out of a way to make peace in the next game. And as Dragon Age, unlike Jade Empire, is a continuing series, destroying the world seems highly implausible.

Who says they want to destroy it? It might be just a world conquest scheme, for all we've seen. If that's the case, why wouldn't Bioware let us help them? Even assuming the rift's makers want to destroy the world, I seem to recall reading somewhere that Bioware's not sure how long they'll keep the save import system anyway. In fact, I think they're not entirely sure they'll make a Dragon Age IV.

Furthermore, I seem to recall a bad ending in Mass Effect 2 where you messed up so badly Shepherd dies, and you can't import that game. So, there's precedent for a decision that messes the world up so bad you can't import, too.

I just am not sure I see much being added to the game this way; it's a choice branch that diverges too strongly to make a single clean story.

[IanPolaris]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Furthermore, I seem to recall a bad ending in Mass Effect 2 where you messed up so badly Shepherd dies, and you can't import that game. So, there's precedent for a decision that messes the world up so bad you can't import, too.

The difference is that if you messed up that badly in ME2, you knew you weren't going to be able to import it to ME3.  It was blatently obvious.  I am not seeing any possible ending to DA2 (or DAO/DAA) that qualifies.

-Polaris

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

IanPolaris wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Furthermore, I seem to recall a bad ending in Mass Effect 2 where you messed up so badly Shepherd dies, and you can't import that game. So, there's precedent for a decision that messes the world up so bad you can't import, too.

The difference is that if you messed up that badly in ME2, you knew you weren't going to be able to import it to ME3.  It was blatently obvious.  I am not seeing any possible ending to DA2 (or DAO/DAA) that qualifies.

-Polaris

This refers to a hypothetical, potential ending to DA3, which Xilizhra said isn't happening and I think Bioware is perfectly capable of doing.

[Dave of Canada]

Xilizhra wrote...

The Adrian hate goes a shade far on this forum,

So does the Templar/Cerberus/Bhelen/Loghain/Udina/Cullen/Meredith/Orsino/Anders/Merrill/Alistair/Morrigan/Zevran/Isabela/Leliana/Shale/Oghren/Velanna/Sten/Qunari/Hawke/Mage/Fenris hate. 

[IanPolaris]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Furthermore, I seem to recall a bad ending in Mass Effect 2 where you messed up so badly Shepherd dies, and you can't import that game. So, there's precedent for a decision that messes the world up so bad you can't import, too.

The difference is that if you messed up that badly in ME2, you knew you weren't going to be able to import it to ME3.  It was blatently obvious.  I am not seeing any possible ending to DA2 (or DAO/DAA) that qualifies.

-Polaris

This refers to a hypothetical, potential ending to DA3, which Xilizhra said isn't happening and I think Bioware is perfectly capable of doing.

Oh, nvrmd.  I agree that Bioware is indeed capable of a "rocks fall; everyone dies" ending.

-Polaris

[Ausstig]

Xilizhra wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

After this trailer the Templar love is strong. Good bye Mage school.

I still hope to save some decent mages though but now i'm unsure about the Circle's effectiveness. In the Trailer it says you can either join in the destruction or stand against it. So I'm assuming mages(or the more radical ones) have to be for the destruction.

Er, why in the world would you think that?  It's almost certainly one of those rhetorical statements that means that the PC will always be standing against the destruction regardless of which side they take.

Well, who else is tearing open veils? And you can aid them so I assume that it must be some sort of radical mage group.

Flemeth? Tevinter? The templars themselves who want to throw the blame on mages? Qunari trying to soften up Thedas? It could be a lot of people, and your assumption that they can be aided is wholly unfounded.

Flemeth or Tevinter maybe, mostly cause Tevinter is full of dumb people with a lot of power (see until we sleep) and Flemeth cause we don't know what her deal is any way. But the Templars? Where would they get the power, how would they do it? Templars don't use magic and I doubt they would have too many non-tranquil mages with them. The Qunari do  have mages but don't like/trust them, I think the main reason they have them is because Thedas does, so it doesn't really fit their mo.

I think it is due to the war, lots of death, lots of magic rituals either weaken it to the point where the break happens or some bright mage (how would not speak for their whole faction) dceides that the best way to win is to make everyone a mage and the best way to do that is to open the veil. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Qistina wrote...

YET.
It's a constant danger, not a test you pass at a specific date and then onward you're allways free.

Of course, if he does go abomination in Tevinter it would be ....interesting.

But he doesn't, he become confident on his ability and become more careful with demons and such things, that is the whole point, he will not fall to demons prey because he have confidence.

The objective of Harrowing is to make an apprentice confidence facing a demon and not fall. Fenriyel can do that without going to Harrowing, then there is no need for Harrowing.

This is the silliest thing I read on the entire thread, and given who is posting, that is a high record to beat.

Confidence is irrelevant. There is no magical "you are now immune to possesion" bottun.
Harrowing is nothing more than a live-fire excercise. A mage surviving a harrowing doesnt' mean he won't or can't be possesed - as evidenced many, many times.

Xilizhra wrote

No, it's because of their actions. Those with mental disorders who don't
prove by their behavior to be dangers to anyone else aren't locked up.
As for quarantine, either it's a temporary measure, or the quarantined
one is going to die soon in any case and nothing can be done about it.
Neither one is comparable to the Circle.

And the behavior is determined by the mental condition. Go figure.
There are mental disorders that are considered flat out unstable/dangerous, and if there is no treatment, you lock such people up.

Quarantine being a temporary measure is irrelevant..because a quarantene is in effect for as long as it's necesssary.
Both are comparable to the circle.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 11 juin 2013 - 07:21 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Father.

It has been a long time since my last visit and when we parted, it wasn't on good terms.
My decision to request transfer out of the tower was not something we agreed on. I knew getting assigned to some remote outpost would mean I could barely get to see you or mother at all, but I had to do it. I just had to get away from the tower, at least for a while.
I've seen a lot of disturbing things and lost my best friend there. After that, the atmosphere was poison to my mind, and I was afraid I might do something stupid. I had to get some distance to come to terms with it. Besides, I didn't want to deal with so many mages anymore.
Some of the older templars told me that duty at such remote places is mostly boredom, and one deals more with bandits and petty crimes than mages.I thought that was exactly what I needed, for surely dealing with bandits would be better than watching over the mages. It felt more right. Or so I thought.

Well, they were mostly right. Mage incidents are rare out here and most of the time we just patrol among the few vilalges. The people come to us occasionally with their grievances, like crimes of thievery or petty disputes. The local lords do little to enforce the law here. 
On a few occasions we fight or scare away brigands, who rarely match the image people have.  Desparate and underequipped would be the best description. People who fell on hard times and barely know how to use a sword. Part of me feels sorry for them. I had begun to doubt my purpose. I had begun to doubt everything.

Then, rouhgly a month ago, we heard reports of mages in the village of Relov, about 3 days north of our outpost. We set out immediately, but were waylaid in one of the villages along the way by a family feud. When we arrived in the village, it was too late.

Twins father. Children. One of them lost control and set a house of fire. The people panicked. We arrived just in time to see the child become possesed and attack the villagers. Seventeen lives were lost that day, including my superor Ser Byron and the other twin. She was torn limb from limb by her former brother. The scene haunts me more than you can imagine.
After the battle we found out that the mother had another child and sure enough, it showed signs of magic. You should have seen her father. She lost two of her children and now my duty was to take the third one away. She pleeded, begged, and with every word I felt my heart break a bit more. I knew the distance meant she would probably never see her child again. But we had to take it. As she grew hysterical I did the only thing I felt I could - I hugegd her tightly and tried to console her, promising her that I would watch over her child and bring her news.

That is why I'm transfering back to the tower. I intend to keep that promise. I finally feel like I have a purpose again.
By the time this letter reaches you I will already have arrived there with the child, and Maker willing, will come visit you by the winters end.

your son
Ser William Calen

[LobselVith8]

MisterJB wrote...

Well, not responding to my posts would be a nice start if your intention is to avoid them, yes?

My intent was to avoid having someone lie about me. I'm still waiting for you to point out where I justified opening a portal to Hell.

[KiwiQuiche]

So mages can't even do good deeds like save people from getting violated without being accused of an ulterior motive now?

Andraste's flaming knickers, mages just can't win.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 11 juin 2013 - 08:50 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Personally he situation with Feynriel struck me as suspicious but not explicitly wrongful yet.

[Lotion Soronarr]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

So mages can't even do good deeds like save people from getting violated without being accused of an ulterior motive now?

Andraste's flaming knickers, mages just can't win.

Well, it goes both ways you know.

Assigning motivations based on preconceptions is the standard modus operandi of humantiy and the BSN in particular.

[KiwiQuiche]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

So mages can't even do good deeds like save people from getting violated without being accused of an ulterior motive now?

Andraste's flaming knickers, mages just can't win.

Well, it goes both ways you know.

Assigning motivations based on preconceptions is the standard modus operandi of humantiy and the BSN in particular.

Hey if a Templar saves someone from being brutally assulted I'm not going to shoot him if he remains civil about it.

[Lotion Soronarr]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Well, it goes both ways you know.

Assigning motivations based on preconceptions is the standard modus operandi of humantiy and the BSN in particular.

Hey if a Templar saves someone from being brutally assulted I'm not going to shoot him if he remains civil about it.

I wouldn't know.
But I do know some here (not saying you) would immediately look for sinister motivations behind any action - especially if given any reason to doubt.

[Xilizhra]

Why are you writing letters that have nothing to do with the current situation? There are no more Circles.

It's also on the disingenuous side to write of events like that as though they were common occurrences, of course.