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[Seival]

HiddenInWar wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

Seival wrote...

Killing a Reaper is a crime. Crime equal to the genocide. And total disrespect of the ones who came before us.

what

what

what

Does it surprise you at this point?

I literally do not get it.

ME has, rightfully, an anti-reaper narrative. Seival is pro-reaper (and pro-leviathan considering how his canon ending had the leviathans dominate the galaxy again). Why play a game where you're trying to stop the very thing you agree with? I mean, play it all you want, just curious.

ME has very deep and instructive narrative. It raises very interesting philosophical questions, as any really good sci-fi should. Your problem is that like some other players, you prefer to see only action side of the narrative.

ME is not a Star Wars. If you came here for some "pew-pew-pew-pew-boooooom! I WON!", then you definitely chose the wrong place.

Modifié par Seival, 07 juin 2013 - 09:03 .

[ElSuperGecko]

Seival wrote...
To be harvested by the Reapers is not to be killed.

No.

Seival wrote...
The essence of Harvested people is still alive, preserved in the Reaper form.

No.

[Ravensword]

Dextro Milk wrote...

Seival wrote...

According to the Synthesis ending, that "goo" can come back to life.

Where is this shown? I'll wait here for a bit while you take your time making up some long answer proclaiming the reapers are nice cuddly bears.

They're cute and cuddly cuttlefish.

[KaiserShep]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Seival wrote...
To be harvested by the Reapers is not to be killed.

No.

Seival wrote...
The essence of Harvested people is still alive, preserved in the Reaper form.

No.

Don't you see the ascension? Are you BLIND, sir?

[Ravensword]

KaiserShep wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Seival wrote...
To be harvested by the Reapers is not to be killed.

No.

Seival wrote...
The essence of Harvested people is still alive, preserved in the Reaper form.

No.

Don't you see the ascension? Are you BLIND, sir?

These assorted fruits are ready for ascension.

[KaiserShep]

Seival wrote...
ME has very deep and instructive narrative. It raises very interesting philosophical questions, as any really good sci-fi should. Your problem is that like some other players, you prefer to see only action side of the narrative.

None of this is reflected in anything regarding the reapers. Mass Effect, most of all, is about humanity's place in the galaxy, your (Shepard's) relationship with [non-reaper] beings from other worlds, and how your actions affect them. The stories of Mass Effect are not complex. The characters you interact with as well as the histories behind both them and their entire species are what add to the complexity, not the stories themselves. 

Anyway, instructive about what? What is it instructing you? This seems like a random adjective just thrown in there for no reason. 

ME is not a Star Wars. If you came here for some "pew-pew-pew-pew-boooooom! I WON!", then you definitely chose the wrong place.

Yeah, it would be easy enough to assume that you never played the first and second games, because this is precisely how both of those games ended. Amid all the characterization and moral quandaries, the end game of Mass Effect has been "pew pew pew pew boom! I WON!" since the very beginning. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 07 juin 2013 - 09:19 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Seival wrote...
ME has very deep and instructive narrative. It raises very interesting philosophical questions, as any really good sci-fi should. Your problem is that like some other players, you prefer to see only action side of the narrative.

ME is not a Star Wars. If you came here for some "pew-pew-pew-pew-boooooom! I WON!", then you definitely chose the wrong place.

"ME has very deep and instructive narrative. It raises very interesting philosophical questions, as any really good sci-fi should. Your problem is that like some other players, you prefer to see only action side of the narrative."


"ME has very deep and instructive narrative."


"ME has very....instructive narrative."

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 07 juin 2013 - 09:20 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Submitting to the Leviathan's is unacceptable. Submitting to the Reapers is unacceptable and suicide.

Seival lives in the world where black is white and everyone is a clone of a fat guy named Steve.

Harvesting is death. You're forcing a person to take a form they did not choose and are repulsed by, then put in agony to be made into a unthinking clump of genetic paste where the collective memory of the person is assimilated into a form of being that's sole purpose is to destroy and harvest.

It's not preservation.

[KaiserShep]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
It's not preservation.

Oh, it's preserve alright. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 07 juin 2013 - 09:30 .

[Dextro Milk]

"with a name like smucker's it has to be good..."

Sevial, how is a pile of goo alive? Does my milk become "alive" post-synthesis? Is it a crime for me to drink it?

[IceHawk-181]

Bah, what does Mordin know?
 
I cannot trust a scientist who sings Gilbert & Sullivan....

[Eterna]

In other news, I'm a Homosexual.

Which begs the question, If my essence was broken down and dispersed throughout the galaxy would the Geth be fabulous? 

Modifié par Eterna5, 07 juin 2013 - 09:46 .

[Ravensword]

We need to get Auldie's perspective on this. He needs to come in here and tell us how we refuse to see the truth and are willfully ignorant as if some of us are devoutly religious people living in trailers in the middle of nowhere. We need Auldie to run up in here and preach down to us of how we need to open our eyes to the truth and embrace his idea of perfection. 

Rather than using examples from the lore within the game, he'll cite his own headcanon to justify his arguments like he usually does. I'm sure he would be here enlighten us, but he's too busy running his own suicide, space cult IRL, which is unfortunate b/c he's really an amusing guy.:innocent:

Also, I wish Seival would post more as well to liven things up here. You guys [Seival and Auldie] bring joy and happiness to the rest of us sinners. Facepalming is a sign of affection.

Modifié par Ravensword, 07 juin 2013 - 09:42 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Eterna5 wrote...

In other news, I'm a Homosexual.

...cool?!

[GreyLycanTrope]

Eterna5 wrote...

In other news, I'm a Homosexual.

Which begs the question, If my essence was broken down and dispersed throughout the galaxy would the Geth be fabulous? 

One can hope

[TheRealJayDee]

Eterna5 wrote...

In other news, I'm a Homosexual.

Which begs the question, If my essence was broken down and dispersed throughout the galaxy would the Geth be fabulous? 

Every being would be fabulous!!

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 07 juin 2013 - 09:57 .

[Gewehr_fr]

I don't know about you but I'd rather take a bullet to the head than being "preserved" as a husk, or be turned into goo inside a giant killing machine. I'm quite sure Liara would rather die than be turned into a monster and Garrus and Wrex woudln't appreciate very much being turned into conjoined brute brothers either. Ouch, the mental images...

More to the point, the catalyst is an A.I. and it suffers of the very problem of synthetics, it fails to understand the values of organic life, what makes us human, what makes each of us unique and valuable. Therefore it disregards our individualities completely only to save the "essence of our species" in reaper form. It has the perspective of a cold calculative A.I., nothing more. Innocent civilians burned by lasers aren't "preserved", all the people on small colonies who instead of being reaperized are bombed from orbit aren't "preserved" either, all of those who were working in those buildings on Vancouver aren't "preserved". The kid whose shuttle exploded isn't "preserved" (as much as I dislike this scene). All of them are straight up murdered as part of their massive extermination. All the catalyst needs to make its solution work is a great number of us to be used as killing machines for the next cycles.

What the "essence of our species" means,  we have no idea, but I suppose it does manage to keep the characteristics which are commun to all of us -once again disregarding our individualities entirely- just like the reapers seemed to inherite from the leviathans their arrogance and indoctrination abilities. 

My 2 cents. 

:innocent:

[spirosz]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

So Seival, let me get this straight. It's okay for the Reapers to commit genocide on us, but it's not okay for us to commit "genocide" on the Reapers?

Basically.  

[tanisha__unknown]

Seival wrote...

To be harvested by the Reapers is not to be killed.
The essence of Harvested people is still alive, preserved in the Reaper form.
Killing a Reaper is a crime. Crime equal to the genocide. And total disrespect of the ones who came before us.

I disagree.

Your life as you know is ended by the Reaper. intentionally, fully aware of what it is doing. That is called murder. Killing them is nothing but self defense.

[tanisha__unknown]

Seival wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Please explain to me (with logical reasing that is both sound and valid) how giant robots filled with organic goo equal life.

Besides, Since when does DNA carries memories?

Since when a baby fallen down into the river instinctively holds the breath even through it "doesn't know" that you can't breath underwater? We can't even imagine what exactly DNA may store in reality, and how to access all of this knowledge. But in MEU, considering Synthesis outcome, we can say that DNA stores much more than just forms and basic instincts.

Scientists are working on that, and I guess, that within the next 50 years we will largely know what is stored where and how.

[Ravensword]

More words from Seival:

Seival wrote...

Restart the Cycled Harvests. This is one of the most effective solutions that was tried on practice and proved itself as being valid. It might be not obsolete.

Source: http://social.biowar.../index/12263044

[tanisha__unknown]

Seival wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

"Turning people into goo isn't killing them, it's actually something positive"

According to the Synthesis ending, that "goo" can come back to life. Even husks become self-aware, remember?

Harvested people... their essence can't be considered as dead. They are alive.

Let's say someone you care about was heavily wounded, and lost consciousness. There were complications and the person fall into a coma. Doctors are able to save the person, but warned you the person will most likely lost all memories if survive. Doctors asked you to decide - let the person die, or help the person to survive even if the memories will be lost.

What will you choose? Do you consider the unconsciousness person who will lost the memories after awaking as dead? Personally, I consider the person alive, and I will ask the doctors to help.



Killing husks and Reaper ships is like killing unconsciousness persons who did nothing bad to your kind.

If I accepted your metaphor and your suggestion, you'd have to add that the doctor actually wounded healthy men, women and children and put them into  a coma.

I call this doctor a criminal who belongs into a prison. (I do not exactly favor death penalty) Since in the ME reality the doctor is a a two kilometres long being with enough firepower to wipe out entire armies, and he has proven his hostile attitude, I say killing him is a necessity.

[Gewehr_fr]

I've been thinking about something...

By your reasoning enslaved races, therefore Leviathans, will be freed post synthesis and will recover their initial mindset... right ?

From meeting them face to face, they aren't exactly sweet puppies, they didn't seem very kind or honorable, or expressing any form of empathy. They were as a matter of fact using the races of their cycles as puppets, watching over them and manipulating them to their will.

So.. basically by choosing Synthesis you're condemning the whole galaxy to a whole new reign of enslavement and indoctrination by the leviathans, aren't you ?

Or is there something I'm missing here ?

Modifié par Gewehr_fr, 07 juin 2013 - 10:36 .

[tanisha__unknown]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

If the blended remains of people are still alive, then this burger is a living, breathing, cow because it contain's it's 'essence':







*GASP*
Murder!

Don't pour fuel into the flame. You will make Seival a vegetarian