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[legbamel]

The timeline is a mess, and that's without factoring in BioWare's penchant for compressing travel time into unrealistic quantum tunnels that transport our characters in physically impossible ways so fast that Captain Kirk would be jealous. That holds true for DA and ME, just on different scales. The way our Wardens zigged and zagged around Ferelden they'd have needed a semi truck just to cover the distance in a year with all their junk much less actually do all that in the deep roads.

[Plaintiff]

BasilKarlo wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

more over reactions to small-ish details? lovely

If you're really into the lore these are not small details, they're glaring mistakes that BioWare actively denies exist.

Of course they seem that way, that's the whole point of being an irrationally obsessive fan.

What's the point? You should work on your reading comprehension.

My reading comprehension is fine.

You said "these are not small details if you're really into the lore".

Translation: "If you loved Dragon Age as much as I love Dragon Age, these minor discrepancies would seem enormous. Since they don't seem enormous, you're not a real fan."

Being "really into the lore" means making a mountain out of every molehill you stumble on. Expecting the writers to sift through everything they've written and double or triple check every single imaginary date on the fictional calendar of Thedas, just to appease a minority of people who've focussed all their energies on becoming walking encyclopedias for a non-existent world, is completely unreasonable.

[AxeloftheKey]

I think the thing is, it takes much longer for Hawke to travel upwards to Kirkwall than we think. So, he probably reaches Kirkwall by the time the Blight is over but before news reaches it. Another year of that and we have 6 months for Awakening to start, it takes a few months of time, and that gives Anders a smidgen of time to get to Kirkwall.
It's tight, but even still...

[Steppenwolf]

Plaintiff wrote...

My reading comprehension is fine.

You said "these are not small details if you're really into the lore".

Translation: "If you loved Dragon Age as much as I love Dragon Age, these minor discrepancies would seem enormous. Since they don't seem enormous, you're not a real fan."

Being "really into the lore" means making a mountain out of every molehill you stumble on. Expecting the writers to sift through everything they've written and double or triple check every single imaginary date on the fictional calendar of Thedas, just to appease a minority of people who've focussed all their energies on becoming walking encyclopedias for a non-existent world, is completely unreasonable.

Except those are things that you decided to make up and are in no way reflective of what I actually wrote. You're being transparently pissy because I pointed out that you're an angry, abrasive person.

[Mr.House]

Plaintiff wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

more over reactions to small-ish details? lovely

If you're really into the lore these are not small details, they're glaring mistakes that BioWare actively denies exist.

Of course they seem that way, that's the whole point of being an irrationally obsessive fan.

What's the point? You should work on your reading comprehension.

My reading comprehension is fine.

You said "these are not small details if you're really into the lore".

Translation: "If you loved Dragon Age as much as I love Dragon Age, these minor discrepancies would seem enormous. Since they don't seem enormous, you're not a real fan."

Being "really into the lore" means making a mountain out of every molehill you stumble on. Expecting the writers to sift through everything they've written and double or triple check every single imaginary date on the fictional calendar of Thedas, just to appease a minority of people who've focussed all their energies on becoming walking encyclopedias for a non-existent world, is completely unreasonable.

I expect the writers to have a timeline that is consistant and not all over the place. It's not hard to do.

[Steppenwolf]

AxeloftheKey wrote...

I think the thing is, it takes much longer for Hawke to travel upwards to Kirkwall than we think. So, he probably reaches Kirkwall by the time the Blight is over but before news reaches it. Another year of that and we have 6 months for Awakening to start, it takes a few months of time, and that gives Anders a smidgen of time to get to Kirkwall.
It's tight, but even still...

Why would it take the better part of a year for Hawke to make the trip to Kirkwall?

[legbamel]

Plaintiff wrote...
My reading comprehension is fine.

You said "these are not small details if you're really into the lore".

Translation: "If you loved Dragon Age as much as I love Dragon Age, these minor discrepancies would seem enormous. Since they don't seem enormous, you're not a real fan."

Being "really into the lore" means making a mountain out of every molehill you stumble on. Expecting the writers to sift through everything they've written and double or triple check every single imaginary date on the fictional calendar of Thedas, just to appease a minority of people who've focussed all their energies on becoming walking encyclopedias for a non-existent world, is completely unreasonable.

You may be a wee bit defensive.  "If you're really into the lore" simply means "I'm really into the minutiae of the world of DA as opposed to simply the stories presented".  It's not some sort of judgement on how big a fan you are.  I'm only mildly "into the lore" but if I'm going to make sense of what my characters do and how they fit into the world the timeline has to facilitate that, not overlap in ways that put people in two places at once or teleport them a few hundred miles or more so that they can show up for an event they could never realistically have made.

BasilKarlo wrote...

AxeloftheKey wrote...
I think
the thing is, it takes much longer for Hawke to travel upwards to
Kirkwall than we think. So, he probably reaches Kirkwall by the time the
Blight is over but before news reaches it. Another year of that and we
have 6 months for Awakening to start, it takes a few months of time, and
that gives Anders a smidgen of time to get to Kirkwall.
It's tight, but even still...

Why would it take the better part of a year for Hawke to make the trip to Kirkwall?

Because she and her party had to travel from the south of the Kocari wilds all of the way to where they took the boat and then sail across the sea on a really shoddy-looking vessel.  Also, because it's the only way the timeline works.  (Sure, Flemeth said she'd get them there but she didn't say she was going to pick them all up in her talons and fly them across Ferelden.)  Maybe they ran out of money and had to stop and play mercenary for a few weeks here and there.

Modifié par legbamel, 07 juin 2013 - 03:52 .

[Mr.House]

Ok even if we add the time that it took the darkspawn to attack Lothering(Warden has either saved Redcliffe or recruited a faction) and start chasing the Hawke family, the trip to the boat and the boat trip. At best Hawke would have almost been done his servitude when the blight ended. DA:A takes place 6 months after DAO. Then there is a few weeks where Anders then leaves. That is not enough time. The only way the timeline will fit is if it took very very very long to get to the docks, and even that's cutting it.

I would like Bioware to explain this in detail instead of either ignoring it or say the timeline makes sense and not show hwy it makes sense.

[Plaintiff]

BasilKarlo wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

My reading comprehension is fine.

You said "these are not small details if you're really into the lore".

Translation: "If you loved Dragon Age as much as I love Dragon Age, these minor discrepancies would seem enormous. Since they don't seem enormous, you're not a real fan."

Being "really into the lore" means making a mountain out of every molehill you stumble on. Expecting the writers to sift through everything they've written and double or triple check every single imaginary date on the fictional calendar of Thedas, just to appease a minority of people who've focussed all their energies on becoming walking encyclopedias for a non-existent world, is completely unreasonable.

Except those are things that you decided to make up and are in no way reflective of what I actually wrote. You're being transparently pissy because I pointed out that you're an angry, abrasive person.

Again, you're projecting emotions on me that I don't feel. Not that telling you so will make any difference.

Not everybody gets upset over what happens on the internet.

[In Exile]

Mr.House wrote...
I would like Bioware to explain this in detail instead of either ignoring it or say the timeline makes sense and not show hwy it makes sense.

Why does it matter if they've somewhat fudged the dates? 

[Steppenwolf]

Plaintiff wrote...

Not everybody gets upset over what happens on the internet.

And I'm sure you wish you were one of those people who don't but here you are, butthurt as all hell.

[Steppenwolf]

In Exile wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
I would like Bioware to explain this in detail instead of either ignoring it or say the timeline makes sense and not show hwy it makes sense.

Why does it matter if they've somewhat fudged the dates? 

Because it means that the stories they're presenting make no sense. Anders and several other characters were in 2 places at the same time. If you were watching a television show or a movie and a character was in 2 places at the same time wouldn't it bother you?

[Plaintiff]

BasilKarlo wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Not everybody gets upset over what happens on the internet.

And I'm sure you wish you were one of those people who don't but here you are, butthurt as all hell.

I'm not the one throwing personal insults around. Again.

[Steppenwolf]

Plaintiff wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Not everybody gets upset over what happens on the internet.

And I'm sure you wish you were one of those people who don't but here you are, butthurt as all hell.

I'm not the one throwing personal insults around. Again.

That's just about all you do.

[Mr.House]

In Exile wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
I would like Bioware to explain this in detail instead of either ignoring it or say the timeline makes sense and not show hwy it makes sense.

Why does it matter if they've somewhat fudged the dates? 

Because some of us like consistant stories with a timeline that is not an utter mess?

[PlasmaCheese]

Sandal/Bodahn being everywhere doesn't bother me because I love them. They can time travel forever. But Anders's timeline bothers me... Who the hell made him get rid of Ser Pounce a Lot THAT soon? He just got the damn thing. D:< Friggin' Orlesians.

[Fredward]

Pedantry, pedantry EVERYWHERE.

[Commander Kurt]

But can we at least start by getting the facts straight? I mean, what does the actual timeline say? What are the dates we know about?

Estimates on how long this and that should take are utterly useless, and not in any way at all indicative that bioware has botched the timeline. So, discounting personal theories on how long stuff should take, is there still an issue with the timeline?

[Wittand25]

legbamel wrote...

The timeline is a mess, and that's without factoring in BioWare's penchant for compressing travel time into unrealistic quantum tunnels that transport our characters in physically impossible ways so fast that Captain Kirk would be jealous. That holds true for DA and ME, just on different scales. The way our Wardens zigged and zagged around Ferelden they'd have needed a semi truck just to cover the distance in a year with all their junk much less actually do all that in the deep roads.

Would you rather have it so that you can only visit the places in linear order ?

BioWare games are plot heavy, so they decided that every place exists in it´s own little "time bubble", so that the player can always arrive just in time to witness the plot.
This gives the player freedom to complete a notable part of the main quest in the order they like, and does not force them into following a strictly linear path throughout the whole game. This is part of the tried and tested BioWare way and has remained unchanged sine BG times.

[Wittand25]

Commander Kurt wrote...

But can we at least start by getting the facts straight? I mean, what does the actual timeline say? What are the dates we know about?

Estimates on how long this and that should take are utterly useless, and not in any way at all indicative that bioware has botched the timeline. So, discounting personal theories on how long stuff should take, is there still an issue with the timeline?

DA:O 9:30-31
DA:A and most DLC for DA:O 9:31
Hawke expedition to deep roads 9:31
DA:WH 9:32

So Anders fled to Kirkwall in 9:31 after DA:A, but before the Warden Commander faced Morrigan during Witch Hunt.

[Rawgrim]

Its like Robb Stark being named as King of the North, at the same time as the Red Wedding takes place.

[ComfortablyNumb]

legbamel wrote...


Why would it take the better part of a year for Hawke to make the trip to Kirkwall?

Because she and her party had to travel from the south of the Kocari wilds all of the way to where they took the boat and then sail across the sea on a really shoddy-looking vessel.  Also, because it's the only way the timeline works.  (Sure, Flemeth said she'd get them there but she didn't say she was going to pick them all up in her talons and fly them across Ferelden.)  Maybe they ran out of money and had to stop and play mercenary for a few weeks here and there.

Hm, it doesn't convince me. It's said in DA:O, that it takes two days to get from Redcliffe to Denerim. Lothering is roughly in the same latitude as Redcliffe. And especially if we factor Flemeth's help, I'd expect Hawkes to travel maybe two weeks? And then those two weeks sea transit. Even if we make it a month, it still doesn't add up to half a year. 

Just my two cents.

[DatOneFanboy]

brb il come back with a meme

[NRieh]

I think the thing is, it takes much longer for Hawke to travel upwards to Kirkwall than we think. So, he probably reaches Kirkwall by the time the Blight is over but before news reaches it.

I just wrote about it in another thread. Hawke and Warden start moving at same time and from same place (Ostagar), and Hawkes even have some "boost" from Flemmeth, remember? How come Warden manages to gather forces, find Urn, defeat Archdeamon and end Blight, while Hawke only reaches Kirkwall?
Varric that mentions defeating Archdeamon between prologue and chapter 1 (during the year of servitude) also does not help.

And "unreliable narrator" - fine by me, I do love Varric and his arc (can't help seeing him as DG's "personal" character, by the way). But I think we should have some "official" timeline, that explains where our little beardless friend (with irresistible chest hair, yes) messed it.

E.g. "Hobbit" is written as Bilbo's story, but we have other sources about Hobbit-LotR timeline. Probably, DA3 is supposed to fix some gaps ( which would be nice), but I'm afriad DA3 has a lot of things to deal with.