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[Mykel54]

Writers love to employ undetermined amount of time in their stories, because it allows to revisite the story later on. They can add new things between events if they feel they need to, without having the timeline look ridiculously filled. This is also why the timeline of the world of thedas is so damn long (if we make a real world comparison, Thedas is a world in stasis where things remain the same for thousands of years, unlike the real world), there are many years so that the writers never go out of room to place their stories.

Modifié par Mykel54, 07 juin 2013 - 01:06 .

[Rawgrim]

The coronation at the end of DA:O takes place 2 months after the Archdemon is killed.

[archangel1996]

Rawgrim wrote...

The coronation at the end of DA:O takes place 2 months after the Archdemon is killed.

Edited the initial post with
Oghren baby, and he sayes he was in the surfice for two years and the coronation

Thanks ^^

[Sutekh]

_Dana_ wrote...

According to Varric: "Two weeks they spend in that dark hold, packed with the fearful and the desperarte".

Dang! You're right. That's what two years of rationalization did to poor headcanoning me.

On the other hand, 

LoonySpectre wrote...
Flemeth explicitly told them to go to Gwaren and flee Ferelden altogether.

Nope. The decision is taken way before the Flemeth encounter:

www.youtube.com/watch

[Heidenreich]

Wittand25 wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

But can we at least start by getting the facts straight? I mean, what does the actual timeline say? What are the dates we know about?

Estimates on how long this and that should take are utterly useless, and not in any way at all indicative that bioware has botched the timeline. So, discounting personal theories on how long stuff should take, is there still an issue with the timeline?

DA:O 9:30-31
DA:A and most DLC for DA:O 9:31
Hawke expedition to deep roads 9:31
DA:WH 9:32

So Anders fled to Kirkwall in 9:31 after DA:A, but before the Warden Commander faced Morrigan during Witch Hunt.

As the timeline above states, DA:A happens the same year as the Deep Roads expidition. Okay.

Let's break it down.

9:29-30

• The Blight.
• Hawke family escape from Lothering,
• They go south to the wilds, are led through by Flemith to Guarren.
• Take a ship to Kirkwall
• Spend remaining half-year in servitude.
• The Blight Ends
• Sandal and Bodan go to the Circle in Fereldan

9:31 - January to June

• DA:A
• Hawke finished up other half-year of servitude
• DA:A finishes, Warden leaves to go on DA:WH

9:31 - June to Augest

• Anders hops a boat from Ameranthine.
• DA:WH Ends
• Hawke finishes his servitude and spends the next few weeks looking for work. Bartrand's expidition is a last ditch effort. They've run out of options, and they're hiding from the templars nipping at their heels..

9:31 - September - December

• Hawke meets Anders and various companions.
• Does things around Kirkwall to gather money
• Leaves on Expedition
• Expedition takes roughly one month -- Two weeks down, A week before Idol is found/Bartrand Betrayal, A week and a half back up/Two weeks if detour is needed for Sibling.

9:32-35

• Three year Gap.

... You get the point.

The only muddling of the timeline is for Sandal and Bodhan and seriously "A bout a year" is not a solid timeline from them. It's an exageration. More then likely they were probably only there for about 7-8 months, seeing as how they went to the circle at the very end of The Blight, and were encountered there by the Warden durring WH, which happens durring the time that Anders is on the boat and getting settled in Kirkwall and Hawke is finishing his/her Servitude.

STATIC TIME LINE wise, Anders gets to Kirkwall in late June and Hawke doesn't encounter him till closer to September.

Thus, the time line fits.

EDIT: Also, no where does it state that Witch Hunt happened durring the 7 years in Kirkwall AT ALL. Sandal and Bodhan could have very easily gone to the Circle Tower AFTER the stuff in Kirkwall went down. There is almost a year gap between when the Chantry Booms and when Varric is Interigated. Which means that durring THAT YEAR the Warden could have gone on WH and "Disapeared", as lent to the final words of Leliana in DA2.  If you HAVEN'T done WH when you start DA2, Bodhan doesn't mention HOW LONG they were at the tower, just that they spent some time there.

Modifié par Heidenreich, 07 juin 2013 - 02:09 .

[LoonySpectre]

@Heidenreich: this doesn't fit with DA: WH taking place "nearly two and a half years since the Archdemon's death".

[Heidenreich]

LoonySpectre wrote...

@Heidenreich: this doesn't fit with DA: WH taking place "nearly two and a half years since the Archdemon's death".

Right, so then WH happens durring the gap, and Sandal is the Maker. It still doesn't conflict with Anders' time line at all. Just Sandal/Bohdan ;p

[LoonySpectre]

Though, on the other hand, the 2.5 years interval fits in between DA2 Acts 1 and 2, so Hawke could have just given Bodahn and Sandal leave to return to Ferelden.

[garrusfan1]

the sandal one was bad but the anders one isn't totally impossible just unlikely. and witch hunt took place two years after the darkspawn weren't a problem anymore. so it is two years after awakening not two years after the archdemon fell. remember witch hunt was the last dlc for origins so awakening was already out

[garrusfan1]

LoonySpectre wrote...

@Heidenreich: this doesn't fit with DA: WH taking place "nearly two and a half years since the Archdemon's death".

actually two and a half years after the darkspawn weren't a problem so that means witch hunt took place nearly two and a half years after awakening

Modifié par garrusfan1, 07 juin 2013 - 02:21 .

[LoonySpectre]

Hm... strangely, DAWiki gives "two and half years" in the official description, but the official site now says this:  "Nearly a year has passed since the Archdemon's death". So I stand corrected, Heidenreich is right.

Modifié par LoonySpectre, 07 juin 2013 - 02:33 .

[Ferretinabun]

I've thought about this a bit - does it help to imagine the Hawke family flee Lothering a significantly long time after the Warden has passed through it?

I mean I know the warden can't actually return to Lothering after they've completed one of the treaty missions, but so what? We can just imagine that the Warden doesn't WANT to go back there. Is there anything in the DA:O story that indicates how far along it Lothering is destroyed?

It seems to me people assume the Darkspawn advance on Lothering straight after Ostagar and then just sit around waiting until the warden completes the treatie and the Landsmeet (as the plot demands) before continuing to Denerim. But why not just assume the Darkspawn did all their sitting around at Ostagar, and they didn't actually destroy Lothering until they were on their way to Denerim (and the vast majority of the Warden's adventures were over)?

[LoonySpectre]

All we can really say is that "Lothering was destroyed before the Warden confronted Flemeth on Morrigan's request".

[erilben]

archangel1996 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

The coronation at the end of DA:O takes place 2 months after the Archdemon is killed.

Edited the initial post with
Oghren baby, and he sayes he was in the surfice for two years and the coronation

Thanks ^^

I thought he said it has been one and half years that he's been on the surface in Awakening. If you execute Nathaniel, you get that the current date is 17th of Ferventis in 9:31 Dragon. If both are those things are true, Oghren left Orzammar around at the start of 9:30 Dragon, which would mean DAO actually started in 9:29.

Modifié par erilben, 07 juin 2013 - 03:27 .

[IanPolaris]

BasilKarlo wrote...

Several devs, including Gaider and Laidlaw, have said that there are no timeline issues and just ignore the actual numbers any time they're brought up.

Pfft.  Please ignore the actual game lore in the corner.  The actual lore doesn't matter (paraphrased from the Wizard of Oz).

Really Laidlaw and DG?  That's the best you can do?

-Polaris

[EmperorSahlertz]

People actually care about some minor timeline discrepancy? Those discrepancies are some of the easiest to fix, and yet some a still trying to make mountain out of molehills.... ::sigh::

[IanPolaris]

Wittand25 wrote...

legbamel wrote...

The timeline is a mess, and that's without factoring in BioWare's penchant for compressing travel time into unrealistic quantum tunnels that transport our characters in physically impossible ways so fast that Captain Kirk would be jealous. That holds true for DA and ME, just on different scales. The way our Wardens zigged and zagged around Ferelden they'd have needed a semi truck just to cover the distance in a year with all their junk much less actually do all that in the deep roads.

Would you rather have it so that you can only visit the places in linear order ?

BioWare games are plot heavy, so they decided that every place exists in it´s own little "time bubble", so that the player can always arrive just in time to witness the plot.
This gives the player freedom to complete a notable part of the main quest in the order they like, and does not force them into following a strictly linear path throughout the whole game. This is part of the tried and tested BioWare way and has remained unchanged sine BG times.

I don't think it's either-or.  There is no reason why the individual quests couldn't be somewhat time sensitive or at least sensative to the order in which we did them (and this is a fault I have with DAO).  For example you can leave Conner possessed early in the game, and then go get magical help months later knowing nothing bad will happen in the meantime.  That sort of thing should not happen.

-Polaris

[Sith Grey Warden]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

People actually care about some minor timeline discrepancy? Those discrepancies are some of the easiest to fix, and yet some a still trying to make mountain out of molehills.... ::sigh::

We just want to see them fixed. If they're so easy to fix, that just makes it worse that they've never been adequately addressed.

[Rawgrim]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

People actually care about some minor timeline discrepancy? Those discrepancies are some of the easiest to fix, and yet some a still trying to make mountain out of molehills.... ::sigh::

Its not minor when Anders, who dies\\can die in Awakening, shows up in Kirkwall before this happens, and manages to start a huge war.

[NRieh]

@Heidenreich: Nice try.

9:31 - January to June
DA:A
Hawke finished up other half-year of servitude
DA:A finishes
9:31 - June to Augest
Anders hops a boat from Ameranthine.

If not for epilogues, I'd say it makes sense. But then they merge with Justice asap after DAA within few months. Both epilogues and "short story" do not fit here.

Modifié par Nrieh, 07 juin 2013 - 04:37 .

[wiccame]

Ferretinabun wrote...

I've thought about this a bit - does it help to imagine the Hawke family flee Lothering a significantly long time after the Warden has passed through it?

I mean I know the warden can't actually return to Lothering after they've completed one of the treaty missions, but so what? We can just imagine that the Warden doesn't WANT to go back there. Is there anything in the DA:O story that indicates how far along it Lothering is destroyed?

It seems to me people assume the Darkspawn advance on Lothering straight after Ostagar and then just sit around waiting until the warden completes the treatie and the Landsmeet (as the plot demands) before continuing to Denerim. But why not just assume the Darkspawn did all their sitting around at Ostagar, and they didn't actually destroy Lothering until they were on their way to Denerim (and the vast majority of the Warden's adventures were over)?

Because as soon as you finish only 1 treaty, Lothering is already destroyed. Looking on the map it says it has been destroyed.

 OT  did anyone notice it took Fergus Cousland almost a year to escape the wilds? Just another timeline mess up that bugs me.

[Ferretinabun]

wiccame wrote...

Ferretinabun wrote...

I've thought about this a bit - does it help to imagine the Hawke family flee Lothering a significantly long time after the Warden has passed through it?

I mean I know the warden can't actually return to Lothering after they've completed one of the treaty missions, but so what? We can just imagine that the Warden doesn't WANT to go back there. Is there anything in the DA:O story that indicates how far along it Lothering is destroyed?

It seems to me people assume the Darkspawn advance on Lothering straight after Ostagar and then just sit around waiting until the warden completes the treatie and the Landsmeet (as the plot demands) before continuing to Denerim. But why not just assume the Darkspawn did all their sitting around at Ostagar, and they didn't actually destroy Lothering until they were on their way to Denerim (and the vast majority of the Warden's adventures were over)?

Because as soon as you finish only 1 treaty, Lothering is already destroyed. Looking on the map it says it has been destroyed.

True, but that's easy to work around. We only know Lothering's off-limits because of meta-gaming. The Warden doesn't actually try to head back there, so who's to say when it gets destroyed?

I think it's the most canon-friendly 'jiggle' we can pull if we need more wriggle-room to align the timelines.

Modifié par Ferretinabun, 07 juin 2013 - 05:11 .

[LoonySpectre]

did anyone notice it took Fergus Cousland almost a year to escape the wilds?

As far as I remember, Fergus was badly injured at Ostagar and spent a long time recuperating in a Chasind village. At least he has an excuse.

[Wickwrackscar]

I agree that the Bioware writers messed up the timeline here. But everything that is inconsistent can be justified with the help of one big loophole: The framed narrative. After all, DA2 is a story told by Varric. And we can't be certain, wether Varric's version of the events is accurate when it comes to details of timing. Of course you could argue, that Varric has no reason to lie about that, or that his memory couldn't be so bad.
It's pretty unsatisfying, but IMO it is a valid in-universe "solution" to these inconsistencies.

Just my 2 (euro)cents

Edit for Bio**** :happy:

Modifié par General Distress, 07 juin 2013 - 05:43 .

[Boycott Bioware]

KENNY4753 wrote...
The Magi Warden thing always had me confused since Wynne can say that it has been a year whether you went there right after Lothering or right before the Landsmeet. So it seems to suggest that it has been a year already between the origin story and Ostagar/Lothering.

It is because to justify Jowan end up in Red Cliff dungeon, but it messed up really

Jowan escape, Mage Warden left the Tower is at the same time, Mage Warden arrive at Ostagar, Battle of Ostagar, then Flemeth hut, then Lothering, then Red Cliff...what???? Jowan is in the dungeon

When did he going to Denerim to meet with Loghain and then going to red Cliff to become a tutor then poisoning Arl Eamon is a question mark

Arl eamon is assumed already sick when Mage Warden arrived at Ostagar, Duncan said Arl Eamon sent his regard and tell his army will be late, meaning Duncan and Mage Warden did hang out at Red Cliff before going to Ostagar with Mage Warden