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[archangel1996]

Ferretinabun wrote...

I've thought about this a bit - does it help to imagine the Hawke family flee Lothering a significantly long time after the Warden has passed through it?

I mean I know the warden can't actually return to Lothering after they've completed one of the treaty missions, but so what? We can just imagine that the Warden doesn't WANT to go back there. Is there anything in the DA:O story that indicates how far along it Lothering is destroyed?

It seems to me people assume the Darkspawn advance on Lothering straight after Ostagar and then just sit around waiting until the warden completes the treatie and the Landsmeet (as the plot demands) before continuing to Denerim. But why not just assume the Darkspawn did all their sitting around at Ostagar, and they didn't actually destroy Lothering until they were on their way to Denerim (and the vast majority of the Warden's adventures were over)?

Why is the Hawke family in a rush then? "Why do you lokk at me/us? We are running since/from Ostagar"--Carver
In my initial post i took this eventuality in cosideration anyway, even 6 months are not enough

[archangel1996]

The bottom line is: They didn't solve this problem in years, they could do something like this again and don't address it (again)
It comes to my mind the ME3 ending mess, the bugs in the console versions of DA:O-DA:A

Modifié par archangel1996, 07 juin 2013 - 06:15 .

[Boycott Bioware]

Let see...

Mage Warden, Duncan and Jowan left the tower--->Mage Warden and Duncan arrived at Ostagar, Loghain is already at Ostagar, Duncan said something about Arl Eamon---> Battle of Ostagar ---> Flemeth Hut ----> Lothering

At Lothering we have some news

i. Arl Eamon is sick, his knights are on a quest of finding the ash
ii. Ser Henric have a letter about Brother genitivi and about to give it to Arl Eamon Knight
iii. Mage Tower having a rebellion and Right of Annulment being called
iv. everybody are run away from Ostagar destruction, meaning it just happen

While in Lothering Arl Eamon already being poisoned and in coma. If Mage Warden going to Red Cliff first, we have another news

i. the town is overrun by undead
ii. Civil war already happened and Bann Teagon cannot call for help
iii. Isolde having an AFFAIR with a tutor from Velanna and his father account
iv. Isolde have hired a tutor that believed to be the culprit of everything
v. that Mage turn out to be Jowan who already teach Connor magic and become the secret tutor
vi. Arl Eamon Knight have been spreading everywhere

- When Jowan going to Denerim meeting with Loghain?
- how long Jowan being in Red Cliff as Connor secret tutor that Arl Eamon don't know about it "all these time"?
- how long Arl Eamon in coma state?
- how long the Knights are searching for the urn?
- how long they find out about brother Genitivy? But according to Isolde, she's the one who fund that brother, when and how come?
- how long Jowan being in the dungeon?

then

- when Circle Mages returned to the Tower? Waynne said she helping the peoples at Ostagar before return to the Tower meaning some time at Ostagar before returning, then the rebellion happen
- when the Tower rebellion take place?
- how long Wynne and those surviving Mages got trapped?
- how long Cullen got trapped?
- how long the Tower is in that condition?
- when gregoir sent the request of Right of annulment? gregoir also mention about Civil War

These two happen at the same time, both mention Civil War...when the Civil War happened? Surely not right after Ostagar because at that time Loghain retreat to Denerim and rebuilding his army as according to Lothering villagers

edit : another question is when Brother Genitivy got kidnapped by Dragon cult and how long he being in Haven? If Isolde who the one funding the research of the Urn, meaning Arl eamon have been poisoned and in coma FAR TOO LONG

edit 2 : how come Isolde sent the knights in blind search while she's already funding the research of the Urn to Bro Genitivy, and what the hell a Templar Ser Henric is the one who give info to Arl Eamon Knight about that Bro whereabout in Denerim?

Modifié par Qistina, 07 juin 2013 - 06:45 .

[LoonySpectre]

The Warden and Alistair actually seem to have spent quite a lot of time near Ostagar, being tended to by Flemeth and Morrigan. Loghain managed to go all the way from Ostagar to Denerim and summon Landsmeet before the Warden, Alistair and Morrigan even set off to Lothering. With the logistics involved (returning to Denerim and getting all the banns of Ferelden to the Landsmeet), it could have easily been two weeks or even a month between Ostagar and Warden and Alistair waking up.
So it actually becomes even more confusing: with all the time spent in Flemeth's hut, Warden and the party still reach Lothering way faster than Carver (and possibly Hawke), who have been "running since Ostagar".

Modifié par LoonySpectre, 07 juin 2013 - 07:03 .

[Amirit]

Do not see any problem with Jowan.

First of all, we do remember that Jowan was taken from Templars (and "lucky" Templar that cought him was locked in the dungeon). It means, Templars found Jowan very fast after his escape, I bet long before Warden got to Ostagar.
It also tells us, that Logain's men were ready and waiting in the area for a mage (or searching for an apostate mage and simply followed Templars, who made their job of finding that mage easier).
An explanation for the presence of Logain's men is easy as well - you do not expect Isolde to run around advertising her need for an apostate? Sure she asked for help someone. And since Logain's spies are everywhere (especially in the hose of his number one enemy) he knew about Isolde's search. And used that opportunity. Keep in mind, Logain is very mobile and sure could visit Arl Eamon to check the readiness of the troops.

So, timeline here is something like that:

1. Logain's men are searching for an apostate mage. (whenever)
2. Jowan runs from the Circle
3. Big mage hunt attracts Logain's men attention, they follow Templars and get the mage. (2-3 days)
4. Either Jowan is transported to Denerim or Logain meet him somewhere else and gives the order to poison Arl Eamon. (with Denerim can take up to 5 days, but might be shorter if everyone is ready)
5. AFTER that Jowan comes to Isolde as a tutor for her son and very soon poisons Arl.
6. Nothing helps, Isolde panics and sends knights to search Ashes.
7. Conar makes pact with the demon and undead army is raised (days - there were only few attacks on the village as we know)

Modifié par Amirit, 07 juin 2013 - 07:47 .

[Mr.House]

Aaleel wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

. He stayed in the Grey Wardens after Awakenings and the Wardens made a templar a Grey Warden just to keep an eye on Anders.

you're quoting the "short story". You'd better not, because even without it there is not enough time for Anders to get to Kirkwall. It has a lot of vivid details, but I can not accept it as a "pure" part of lore. They, probably, intended to show more of Ju-nders in action in DA2, but they did not. This story does not really fit anywhere.

It's on Anders character page on the official DA2 site under the word "Lore", what else should we take it as lol.

Because not all Gray Warden Commanders(PC) would do that or think Anders was a threat. Also Anders is soooooooooo OOC it's not even funny. Drinking human blood? Ripping heads off? wtf.

Modifié par Mr.House, 07 juin 2013 - 08:26 .

[Abraham_uk]

Am I the only person who recalls events of my own life in a messed up manner.

Like an event that I think took place in 1995 actually took place in 1996.
An event that I think took place in 1997 actually took place in 1998.

Not only that but I sometimes get the order of events happening wrong.


So I'm just saying. Perhaps the characters in Dragon Age have that same issue of not correctly remembering the exact chronological placing of past events. So perhaps that's why there is inconsistency over the Anders and Sandal timeline.

[Fredward]

archangel1996 wrote...

The bottom line is: They didn't solve this problem in years, they could do something like this again and don't address it (again)
It comes to my mind the ME3 ending mess, the bugs in the console versions of DA:O-DA:A

BSN: For all the hyperbolic bitterness you could ever need (or want)!

[NRieh]

Also Anders is soooooooooo OOC it's not even funny. Drinking human blood? Ripping heads off? wtf.

Uhm...Have you ever tried to merge with a Fade spirit? Was your experience much different? 8) I'm mostly fine with "rampage" part, it does not break anything, it's entirely possible that Ju-nders may sometimes be a big trouble for anyone that really-really makes him angry. Rest of the story, however...is problematic. There is barely any spare time for him to unite with Justice and leave to Kirkwall, even without all those Templar spy games.

Perhaps the characters in Dragon Age have that same issue of not correctly remembering the exact chronological placing of past events. So perhaps that's why there is inconsistency over the Anders and Sandal timeline.

[Chiramu]

Zenor wrote...

Both mass effect & Dragon age seem to suffer from being so vague on how long the game itself took that they end up forgetting all the small details themselves

They don't seem to concern themselves with small details, they prefer to concern themselves with the big picture. It is good sometimes, but they do need to concern themselves with the finer aspects of the story once and a while.

[Commander Kurt]

Heidenreich wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

But can we at least start by getting the facts straight? I mean, what does the actual timeline say? What are the dates we know about?

Estimates on how long this and that should take are utterly useless, and not in any way at all indicative that bioware has botched the timeline. So, discounting personal theories on how long stuff should take, is there still an issue with the timeline?

DA:O 9:30-31
DA:A and most DLC for DA:O 9:31
Hawke expedition to deep roads 9:31
DA:WH 9:32

So Anders fled to Kirkwall in 9:31 after DA:A, but before the Warden Commander faced Morrigan during Witch Hunt.

As the timeline above states, DA:A happens the same year as the Deep Roads expidition. Okay.

Let's break it down.

9:29-30

• The Blight.
• Hawke family escape from Lothering,
• They go south to the wilds, are led through by Flemith to Guarren.
• Take a ship to Kirkwall
• Spend remaining half-year in servitude.
• The Blight Ends
• Sandal and Bodan go to the Circle in Fereldan

9:31 - January to June

• DA:A
• Hawke finished up other half-year of servitude
• DA:A finishes, Warden leaves to go on DA:WH

9:31 - June to Augest

• Anders hops a boat from Ameranthine.
• DA:WH Ends
• Hawke finishes his servitude and spends the next few weeks looking for work. Bartrand's expidition is a last ditch effort. They've run out of options, and they're hiding from the templars nipping at their heels..

9:31 - September - December

• Hawke meets Anders and various companions.
• Does things around Kirkwall to gather money
• Leaves on Expedition
• Expedition takes roughly one month -- Two weeks down, A week before Idol is found/Bartrand Betrayal, A week and a half back up/Two weeks if detour is needed for Sibling.

9:32-35

• Three year Gap.

... You get the point.

The only muddling of the timeline is for Sandal and Bodhan and seriously "A bout a year" is not a solid timeline from them. It's an exageration. More then likely they were probably only there for about 7-8 months, seeing as how they went to the circle at the very end of The Blight, and were encountered there by the Warden durring WH, which happens durring the time that Anders is on the boat and getting settled in Kirkwall and Hawke is finishing his/her Servitude.

STATIC TIME LINE wise, Anders gets to Kirkwall in late June and Hawke doesn't encounter him till closer to September.

Thus, the time line fits.

EDIT: Also, no where does it state that Witch Hunt happened durring the 7 years in Kirkwall AT ALL. Sandal and Bodhan could have very easily gone to the Circle Tower AFTER the stuff in Kirkwall went down. There is almost a year gap between when the Chantry Booms and when Varric is Interigated. Which means that durring THAT YEAR the Warden could have gone on WH and "Disapeared", as lent to the final words of Leliana in DA2.  If you HAVEN'T done WH when you start DA2, Bodhan doesn't mention HOW LONG they were at the tower, just that they spent some time there.

[*]
[*]I don't see anyone refuting this. Good one! 

[Boycott Bioware]

Amirit wrote...
So, timeline here is something like that:

1. Logain's men are searching for an apostate mage. (whenever)
2. Jowan runs from the Circle
3. Big mage hunt attracts Logain's men attention, they follow Templars and get the mage. (2-3 days)
4. Either Jowan is transported to Denerim or Logain meet him somewhere else and gives the order to poison Arl Eamon. (with Denerim can take up to 5 days, but might be shorter if everyone is ready)

This is supposed to happen BEFORE Duncan and Mage Warden arrived at Ostagar isn't it?

So it takes 5 days journey from the Mage Tower to Ostagar? But Duncan said something about Arl Eamon to Cailan meaning they stopped at Red Cliff somehow, and this is for all Origins.

Amirit wrote...
5. AFTER that Jowan comes to Isolde as a tutor for her son and very soon poisons Arl.
6. Nothing helps, Isolde panics and sends knights to search Ashes.
7. Conar makes pact with the demon and undead army is raised (days - there were only few attacks on the village as we know)

This supposed to happen while Battle of Ostagar and the Warden and Alistair at Flemeth hut?

If journey from Circle Tower to Ostagar takes 5 days, how long from Denerim to Red Cliff?

So the Civil War happened when? Bann Teagon mentioned about Civil War, Gregoir mention about Civil War, surely the Civil War didn't happen while The Warden at Flemeth hut and Lothering.

Ser Bryant mention about "there is a rumors that Right of Annulment have been called, i hope i heard wrong", so how long "rumors" are supposed to spread? There is no internet at that time. When we arrived at Red Cliff, Bann Teagon is there and mentioned about Civil War. When we arrived at the Circle Tower Gregoir mention about Civil War.

At Lothering we are being told that the local leader with the army are moving to Denerim following Loghain. Bounty on the Warden head already started

[Boycott Bioware]

LoonySpectre wrote...
The Warden and Alistair actually seem to have spent quite a lot of time near Ostagar, being tended to by Flemeth and Morrigan. Loghain managed to go all the way from Ostagar to Denerim and summon Landsmeet before the Warden, Alistair and Morrigan even set off to Lothering. With the logistics involved (returning to Denerim and getting all the banns of Ferelden to the Landsmeet), it could have easily been two weeks or even a month between Ostagar and Warden and Alistair waking up.
So it actually becomes even more confusing: with all the time spent in Flemeth's hut, Warden and the party still reach Lothering way faster than Carver (and possibly Hawke), who have been "running since Ostagar".

Yes, and they arrived at Lothering while Lothering already destroyed and overrun by darkspawns. meaning The Warden already finished one major quest somewhere.

And if the Warden going to Denerim first, Lothering is not destroyed, until the warden finished one of the main quest. How long Hawke and Carver have been running from Ostagar? lol

[LoonySpectre]

One possibility is this: Warden, being, well, Warden, can sense (and presumably avoid) darkspawn, so, coupled with Morrigan's general knowledge of the area, it allowed their small group to move comparatively fast (and Flemeth probably also provided them with food rations enough to get to Lothering). And Carver(+warrior/rogue!Hawke) had to proceed very cautiously to avoid darkspawn, and, most probably, had to hunt and/or gather some plants to eat (and set up camp to prepare the food).

[IanPolaris]

LoonySpectre wrote...

One possibility is this: Warden, being, well, Warden, can sense (and presumably avoid) darkspawn, so, coupled with Morrigan's general knowledge of the area, it allowed their small group to move comparatively fast (and Flemeth probably also provided them with food rations enough to get to Lothering). And Carver(+warrior/rogue!Hawke) had to proceed very cautiously to avoid darkspawn, and, most probably, had to hunt and/or gather some plants to eat (and set up camp to prepare the food).

Let's also not forget that Carver and non-mage Hawke (if applicable) were likely wounded as well (and certainly without supplies).  The Wardens got a great deal of help from Flemeth and Morrigan, and have the innate advantage (as mentioned above) of sensing and thus avoiding Darkspawn, plus apparently Flemeth is keeping things clear for them as well (per Morrigan's mysteriuous...my mother has given them other things to 'smell').

We also know that Wynne remained in Ostagar (or it's general region) for at least a month or so after the battle because of similiar circumstances.

All that being the case, I can easily see the Wardens beating Carver (and maybe Hawke) back to Lothering.

-Polaris

[Boycott Bioware]

One possibility is this: Warden, being, well, Warden, can sense (and presumably avoid) darkspawn, so, coupled with Morrigan's general knowledge of the area, it allowed their small group to move comparatively fast (and Flemeth probably also provided them with food rations enough to get to Lothering). And Carver(+warrior/rogue!Hawke) had to proceed very cautiously to avoid darkspawn, and, most probably, had to hunt and/or gather some plants to eat (and set up camp to prepare the food).

But Lothering is not destroyed until the warden finish one of the main quest...how long the warden take to settle down one of these below

i. Dalish werewolf problem
ii. Red Cliff undead and abomination problem
iii. Circle Tower problem

Circle tower problem maybe take a short time because it just in one building, but the others surely not taking one or two days...Red Cliff attack is at night fall, the next day the Warden breach into the castle, we can assume 2 days there, then going to the Circle takes 2 days, maybe sttling the Circle problem takes 2 days, return to Red Cliff takes another 2 days...so the whole thing is about 2 weeks (plus the journey from Lothering to Red Cliff, and we not sure how long the Warden being in Lothering, time is freezed in Lothering)

BUT, remember that Jowan becomes a tutor for some time then poisoning Arl Eamon, we not sure how long Jowan hanging around at Red Cliff

So it is something questionable that Hawke and Carver running since Ostagar and arrived at Lothering when that place already destroyed

Modifié par Qistina, 08 juin 2013 - 08:47 .

[Heidenreich]

Commander Kurt wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

But can we at least start by getting the facts straight? I mean, what does the actual timeline say? What are the dates we know about?

Estimates on how long this and that should take are utterly useless, and not in any way at all indicative that bioware has botched the timeline. So, discounting personal theories on how long stuff should take, is there still an issue with the timeline?

DA:O 9:30-31
DA:A and most DLC for DA:O 9:31
Hawke expedition to deep roads 9:31
DA:WH 9:32

So Anders fled to Kirkwall in 9:31 after DA:A, but before the Warden Commander faced Morrigan during Witch Hunt.

As the timeline above states, DA:A happens the same year as the Deep Roads expidition. Okay.

Let's break it down.

9:29-30

• The Blight.
• Hawke family escape from Lothering,
• They go south to the wilds, are led through by Flemith to Guarren.
• Take a ship to Kirkwall
• Spend remaining half-year in servitude.
• The Blight Ends
• Sandal and Bodan go to the Circle in Fereldan

9:31 - January to June

• DA:A
• Hawke finished up other half-year of servitude
• DA:A finishes, Warden leaves to go on DA:WH

9:31 - June to Augest

• Anders hops a boat from Ameranthine.
• DA:WH Ends
• Hawke finishes his servitude and spends the next few weeks looking for work. Bartrand's expidition is a last ditch effort. They've run out of options, and they're hiding from the templars nipping at their heels..

9:31 - September - December

• Hawke meets Anders and various companions.
• Does things around Kirkwall to gather money
• Leaves on Expedition
• Expedition takes roughly one month -- Two weeks down, A week before Idol is found/Bartrand Betrayal, A week and a half back up/Two weeks if detour is needed for Sibling.

9:32-35

• Three year Gap.

... You get the point.

The only muddling of the timeline is for Sandal and Bodhan and seriously "A bout a year" is not a solid timeline from them. It's an exageration. More then likely they were probably only there for about 7-8 months, seeing as how they went to the circle at the very end of The Blight, and were encountered there by the Warden durring WH, which happens durring the time that Anders is on the boat and getting settled in Kirkwall and Hawke is finishing his/her Servitude.

STATIC TIME LINE wise, Anders gets to Kirkwall in late June and Hawke doesn't encounter him till closer to September.

Thus, the time line fits.

EDIT: Also, no where does it state that Witch Hunt happened durring the 7 years in Kirkwall AT ALL. Sandal and Bodhan could have very easily gone to the Circle Tower AFTER the stuff in Kirkwall went down. There is almost a year gap between when the Chantry Booms and when Varric is Interigated. Which means that durring THAT YEAR the Warden could have gone on WH and "Disapeared", as lent to the final words of Leliana in DA2.  If you HAVEN'T done WH when you start DA2, Bodhan doesn't mention HOW LONG they were at the tower, just that they spent some time there.

I don't see anyone refuting this. Good one! 

[*]That's because it's logical! Yes theres quite a bit of fuzzy logic with Sandal/Bohdan, but not ONLY does Anders fit in the time line between DA:A and DA2, but theres even a couple of weeks wiggle room for replacement comander at Vigil's Keep and Justification between when DA:A ends and DA2 - One year into Kirkwall starts ;p
[*]But that can't possibly be true because REASONS!! right?

[Nightdragon8]

Aaleel wrote...

Anders also didn't go to Kirkwall right after the events of Awakenings. There is a story or why Anders was hunted so much by the Chantry. He stayed in the Grey Wardens after Awakenings and the Wardens made a templar a Grey Warden just to keep an eye on Anders.

Anders over time got sick of the Templar/Warden shadowing him and ended up killing him along with some Wardens.  Then he fled to Kirkwall.

Anders being established in Kirkwall at the start of DA2 is way off.

but that story can not be canon considering the fact Nethainal doesn't outright try to kill him.


@the above post

yea and if your Warden is married to Alister, he talks about her in the present tense. So she is still around.

Modifié par Nightdragon8, 08 juin 2013 - 12:45 .

[Heidenreich]

Qistina wrote...

One possibility is this: Warden, being, well, Warden, can sense (and presumably avoid) darkspawn, so, coupled with Morrigan's general knowledge of the area, it allowed their small group to move comparatively fast (and Flemeth probably also provided them with food rations enough to get to Lothering). And Carver(+warrior/rogue!Hawke) had to proceed very cautiously to avoid darkspawn, and, most probably, had to hunt and/or gather some plants to eat (and set up camp to prepare the food).

But Lothering is not destroyed until the warden finish one of the main quest...how long the warden take to settle down one of these below

i. Dalish werewolf problem
ii. Red Cliff undead and abomination problem
iii. Circle Tower problem

Circle tower problem maybe take a short time because it just in one building, but the others surely not taking one or two days...Red Cliff attack is at night fall, the next day the Warden breach into the castle, we can assume 2 days there, then going to the Circle takes 2 days, maybe sttling the Circle problem takes 2 days, return to Red Cliff takes another 2 days...so the whole thing is about 2 weeks (plus the journey from Lothering to Red Cliff, and we not sure how long the Warden being in Lothering, time is freezed in Lothering)

BUT, remember that Jowan becomes a tutor for some time then poisoning Arl Eamon, we not sure how long Jowan hanging around at Red Cliff

So it is something questionable that Hawke and Carver running since Ostagar and arrived at Lothering when that place already destroyed

It also has to be stated, that the trip TO Ostigar takes quite a bit longer then is expressed in game. Duncan is looking for recruits, and the bannermen of Ferelden are calling in all their troops. These things take time. It stands to reason that Duncan (And the warden) made a few stops along the way -- To each "Warden" space most likely, only to have gotten there to late. To Highever to see the city had been sacked, to Denerim to see the Aliange locked down, to Orzimarr to hear that the city has been closed to everyone, to the Circle to see that the promising Mage had turned to blood magic.

 If the Warden (of your choosing) is the first recruited, then any stops made to any of the other places would have letf Duncan to be turned away at the gates, if not the hills outside (via highever). And none of this the Warden saw, because  Not a Warden Yet was left at camp.


As per the discussion quoted -- It takes at least a month before Lothering is sacked. Carver (and non-mage Hawke) leave Ostigar the same night that the Warden/Alistair are rescued by Flemith. Carver (and non-mage Hawke) are not in lothering by the time the Wardens get there. They could have very well returned some days after the Warden and company left. Presumably injured.

If it takes the warden half-a-month to deal with some of the longer quests (Orzimmar/Dalish Camp) and half-a-week to deal with the shorter ones (Redcliff, Circle Tower) then that gives the Hawke family pleanty of time to get the frig out of Lothering.

It should ALSO be noted that they were one of the last people to leave. Which means more then likely Carver (and non-mage Hawke, or void, even Mage Hawke) were assisting in the evacuation. Bethany and Leandra going to lenghts to help families pack etc.

Just because WE know that Lothering is gone by the time the first Main quest is complete, does not mean that  it was actually GONE untill the Start of the next. It's a game device keeping you from returning there. I'm pretty sure you don't hear talk about it from the "Rumors" guys till after you start up the second quest. Which, again, travel time included.. is probably closer to a Month after the Warden and Co. left.

And Honestly, Unless you hit up Orzimmar or Denerim second, you won't even hear about the loss of Lothering untill your Third or Fourth quest, seeing as how the Dalish Camp/Circle Tower/Redcliff does not have Rumor guys.


I need more coffee

[Boycott Bioware]

Heidenreich wrote...
It also has to be stated, that the trip TO Ostigar takes quite a bit longer then is expressed in game. Duncan is looking for recruits, and the bannermen of Ferelden are calling in all their troops. These things take time. It stands to reason that Duncan (And the warden) made a few stops along the way -- To each "Warden" space most likely, only to have gotten there to late. To Highever to see the city had been sacked, to Denerim to see the Aliange locked down, to Orzimarr to hear that the city has been closed to everyone, to the Circle to see that the promising Mage had turned to blood magic.

So they are traveling the whole Ferelden before going to Ostagar?

But anyway, funnily Cailan know when Duncan will arrive and greet him at the gate lol

As per the discussion quoted -- It takes at least a month before Lothering is sacked. Carver (and non-mage Hawke) leave Ostigar the same night that the Warden/Alistair are rescued by Flemith. Carver (and non-mage Hawke) are not in lothering by the time the Wardens get there. They could have very well returned some days after the Warden and company left. Presumably injured.

But Hawke dialogue to Wesley is something like this "strange time to hunt apostates his fellows leave with the Chantry priests", how come Hawke know if he'/she not at Lothering? This dialogue is true to all class

Meaning he/she know the Templars have left Lothering with the Chantry priests before he/she arrived at Lothering, that is another thing

If it takes the warden half-a-month to deal with some of the longer quests (Orzimmar/Dalish Camp) and half-a-week to deal with the shorter ones (Redcliff, Circle Tower) then that gives the Hawke family pleanty of time to get the frig out of Lothering.

It should ALSO be noted that they were one of the last people to leave. Which means more then likely Carver (and non-mage Hawke, or void, even Mage Hawke) were assisting in the evacuation. Bethany and Leandra going to lenghts to help families pack etc.

yes, but Lothering is not destroyed UNTIL one of the main quest completed, and thak you reminding me of Orzamar, completely forgot that.

It is a very long time to complete Orzamar if it is the first place the warden go after Lothering. And the Warden may wander to any areas without completing any main quests, so it take even longer.

The Lothering villagers left before the town destroyed, funnily, Hawke mom and Bethany did survive the darkspawns before Hawke and Carver arrived, surely Bethany is a baddass Mage ever

Just because WE know that Lothering is gone by the time the first Main quest is complete, does not mean that it was actually GONE untill the Start of the next. It's a game device keeping you from returning there. I'm pretty sure you don't hear talk about it from the "Rumors" guys till after you start up the second quest. Which, again, travel time included.. is probably closer to a Month after the Warden and Co. left.

And Honestly, Unless you hit up Orzimmar or Denerim second, you won't even hear about the loss of Lothering untill your Third or Fourth quest, seeing as how the Dalish Camp/Circle Tower/Redcliff does not have Rumor guys.

As i recall, we only get rumors about Lothering is destroyed through Bodhan, and that rumors only appear some time AFTER one of the main quest completed

[LoonySpectre]

But anyway, funnily Cailan know when Duncan will arrive and greet him at the gate lol

There are presumably other Grey Wardens in the camp that could sense Duncan's approach and inform the king.

[KcK__]

I love Dragon Age series (and ME) and have played through them many many times but I never notice these things... Am I a bad fan ?

[Boycott Bioware]

Another time-line problem

If the Warden is Lady Aeducan, she might go to Denerim first because of a promise to find Gorim, her forbidden lover, if she survive the Deep Road. So after Lothering she goes to Denerim and then she learned that Gorim already married to someone and expecting a baby....wtf?

That's one, now no 2

She may go straight to Orzamar (maybe after killing bandits and blood mages in Back Alley, finding missing person, joining Civil War, saving some refugees, beat up mercenaries...for money) as the first place to go after knowing about her father death or just want to kick Bhelen butt, meaning the Warden doing Orzamar quest first. The quest sure take long, very long because it involve many things including venture into Deep Road

So add up Lady Aeducan journey from Lothering to Denerim (edit : add also Gorim getting married and expecting a baby to born) and then to Orzamar and doing Orzamar quest, how long Hawke and Carver being running since Ostagar?

Modifié par Qistina, 08 juin 2013 - 06:06 .

[legbamel]

Somehow I always assumed Carver and non-mage Hawke to have been in Loghain's forces that marched right to and through Lothering, meaning that they got there before the Warden. We don't know that they weren't there outside of not having seen them, do we? I don't recall conversations to that end, at any rate. And why in Thedas did they run south? That seems like about the stupidest thing they could have done. It would have made far more sense to get on the ol' Royal Road and hoof it to Denerim in the first place.

[Conduit0]

Heres how these kind of things go and why Devs ignore them.

Lore Fanatic: I've been researching the lore and have discovered severe discrepancies in the time. *insert long winded explanation full of incomplete information and poor assumptions*

Bioware Dev: Actually you made several mistakes in your interpretation of the events. See, you made mistakes here, here, and here.

Lore Fanatic: OMG Bioware refuses to admit they screwed up the timeline!

Bioware Dev: *facepalm*