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[M-Taylor]

archangel1996 wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

But can we at least start by getting the facts straight? I mean, what does the actual timeline say? What are the dates we know about?

Estimates on how long this and that should take are utterly useless, and not in any way at all indicative that bioware has botched the timeline. So, discounting personal theories on how long stuff should take, is there still an issue with the timeline?

DA:O 9:30-31
DA:A and most DLC for DA:O 9:31
Hawke expedition to deep roads 9:31
DA:WH 9:32

So Anders fled to Kirkwall in 9:31 after DA:A, but before the Warden Commander faced Morrigan during Witch Hunt.

Thanks! So is it Witch Hunt that's causing the problems? The rest of it seems to work.

Is it stated that the Hawke family went straight from Ostagar to Lothering to Kirkwall? "We've been running since Ostagar" indicates as much, but is it conclusive or is it just something people say? My sister claimed just yesterday to have been "living in a box for two years" which isn't actually true at all. She's moved three times during that period and, similarly, the Hawke's might not have been running nonstop.

Now, regarding the trip in itself the way I remember it no one had any belongings at all when fleeing Lothering. Did we have any money? It took us a year to get from the gallows to lowtown after all, how long would it have taken to get from Gwaren to Kirkwall?

These points have been brought up already, but I'm guessing since they haven't been addressed (that I've seen) that they have been somehow overlooked. Repeating them will probably do a world of good. 

Actually
Blight 9:30-31 - 6 months to arrive in Kirkwall(it is false, it's 1-2 months at best anyway....)
6 months Awakening starts(oghren baby, devs) - 1 year servitude

Let's say Awakening 3-4 months, when Hawke hears about Anders he is still in Amaranthine or at the very best at the Siege of Vigil's Keep, if we take into account the 6 months Lothering-Kirkwall as a valid interpretation

And then there is the whole merging with Justice that, for timeline's sake, i think happens when both Anders and justice are left behind(Justice's head cut off, Anders merges with him)

Sutekh wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

@Sutekh:
As i already sayed Hawke could have taken 6 months to arrive in
Kirkwall, still with everything we know, everything the devs sayed and
everything the characters say it's not enough time for Anders to merge
with Justice, run from the Warden-Commander, go to Kirkwall and become
famous enough to build a "proper" clinic

???

I wasn't
talking about Anders (since I happen to agree with you, but, as I said,
don't really think it's a big deal), but Nrieh's point that the Warden
did all the Blight and Awakening quests during the time it took for
Hawke to get from Lothering to Kirkwall.

My mistake, English is not my first language so sometimes i happen to misinterpret

Eh? What makes you so sure?

Hawke and co were traveling from Lothering to Gwaren on foot. With no supplies.

That's a ****ing long walk with no supplies, so obviously they had to stop of somewere, or search for fresh water/animals to hunt. The walk alone would honestly take 1 - 2 months, one would imagine.

Then there's the sailing. There's two problems with this:

Firstly, when Hawke and family finally get to Kirwall, the guard literally says 'we've been taking in Fereldan refuges for months'.  It wouldn't be a massive asumption that Hawke had to wait for a ship in Gwaren first.

Secondly, that's a lot of water volume to sail. I mean a lot. It's not just like the English channel, it's around a massive country. I would say that the sailing itself would take around 2 - 3 months.

So factoring in walking, waiting and sailing, the voyage to Kirwall is a lot longer than a measly 1 - 2 months... >.>

[LoonySpectre]

Secondly, that's a lot of water volume to sail. I mean a lot. It's not just like the English channel, it's around a massive country. I would say that the sailing itself would take around 2 - 3 months.

Varric explicitly said it was two weeks from Gwaren to Kirkwall.

[archangel1996]

M-Taylor wrote...

That's a ****ing long walk with no supplies, so obviously they had to stop of somewere, or search for fresh water/animals to hunt. The walk alone would honestly take 1 - 2 months, one would imagine.

Then there's the sailing. There's two problems with this:

Firstly, when Hawke and family finally get to Kirwall, the guard literally says 'we've been taking in Fereldan refuges for months'.  It wouldn't be a massive asumption that Hawke had to wait for a ship in Gwaren first.

Secondly, that's a lot of water volume to sail. I mean a lot. It's not just like the English channel, it's around a massive country. I would say that the sailing itself would take around 2 - 3 months.

So factoring in walking, waiting and sailing, the voyage to Kirwall is a lot longer than a measly 1 - 2 months... >.>

2 weeks for the sailing, as Varric sayed
I always tought that Flemth took them to Gwaren (or at least near the city) in dragon-form
Timeline would work if Hawke arrived in Kirkwall in 1 year/1 year and 1/2

[LoonySpectre]

Flemeth only said she would get Hawke "past the horde". And when Hawke says "Roast a few more darkspawn", she replies "My charity is at an end". Most probably, it means "no more dragon form for you".
Moreover, if Flemeth could just fly them wherever they desired, Aveline would surely insist that they absolutely must find the last Grey Wardens of Ferelden and save Wesley.

Modifié par LoonySpectre, 09 juin 2013 - 10:10 .

[seventh_sorrow]

When ever I see one of these, I just remember the sagely words of Lucy Lawless:

"Uh, yeah, well, whenever you notice something like that... a wizard did it" 

[BlazingSpeed]

IanPolaris wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Several devs, including Gaider and Laidlaw, have said that there are no timeline issues and just ignore the actual numbers any time they're brought up.

Pfft.  Please ignore the actual game lore in the corner.  The actual lore doesn't matter (paraphrased from the Wizard of Oz).

Really Laidlaw and DG?  That's the best you can do?

-Polaris

I'll just go with this...

[PsychoBlonde]

artsangel wrote...

Varric lied. Anders was never in the party, never blew up the Chantry. Varric just subbed in Anders (whom he met once, and didn't like) for the real mage, the real culprit, a friend of Varric's who he is trying to protect!

For some reason I find this idea hilarious.

[Boycott Bioware]

^^

Maybe Varric himself who blow up the Chantry, he did say "I am sick of Mages and Templars" if you ask his opinion about Anders.

Maybe the whole characters do not exist at all, he blown up the Chantry because he sick of both faction that don't make any profit

[LinksOcarina]

BasilKarlo wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

more over reactions to small-ish details? lovely

If you're really into the lore these are not small details, they're glaring mistakes that BioWare actively denies exist.

Um....correct me if i'm wrong, which I might be, but when did the blight begin? Also, when did it end? Did they say a year after Ostagar or not, I don't recall them saying that? 

It seems like the Warden's campaign came in rather late into the game, so to speak. I would presume that Cailen and Duncan were around beating the crap out of darkspawn in smaller engagements for at least a few months before the Warden became a part of the equation. Alistair sort of is emblematic of that in a way; he was recently recruited as well within the past year. 

I would think the logic goes like this. Let's use the months in the P&P game to fatten this out, which are as follows if no one has it.

Wintermarh
Guardian
Drakonis
Cloudreach
Bloomingtide
Justinian
Solace
August
Kingsway
Harvestmere
Firstfall
Haring

With this in mind, a speulative timeline...

From 9:29 Firstfall to 9:30 Bloomingtide I presume is when we see the first impetus of the Blight. Cailian gets the troops mustered, Duncan begins recruiting, Wardens see action and correspondence is made with Celene. Now I know I am giving a bit too much stock in how the game looks, but its fair to say that the enviorment is in the summer/fall months, correct? 

If that is the case, lets assume the Warden, and Ostagar takes place around Justinian/Solace sometime. Now after Ostagar we have our first look at Lothering. The impetus is that Hawke and family left just after the city was sacked, while stragglers were coming in from Ostagar, so we can assume they began their exodus around Justinian/Solace in this timeline, and would arrive in Kirkwall during those months or August. 

Now it takes about a year for the Darkspawn to be destroyed, so, 9:30 Firstfall in this case. Notice I am playing loose with the time a bit because the chances of it being caught in one year alone exact is difficult to say. Did all of Orgins take place in 9:30? I doubt it honestly, but well get to that...

9:31 Bloomingtide, the events of Awakening occur, takes place over a month in game time, until 9:31 Justinian I presume. If this is the case,  then Anders does fit into it fine, fleeing to Kirkwall just as Hawke and family are going on their own. I would presume this is when word reaches Kirkwall regarding the blight being destroyed six months prior, as Ferelden mops up the rest. 

So in this way I would argue that Anders is in the clear, it would be close but it would make sense for him to flee to Kirkwall and "hide" for a few weeks while Varric gathers intel on him before he confronts Hawke. Even if we compress it in a years time like this, the dates would sync up perfectly as there is always going to be a month lag because of the Sack of Lothering/travel to Kirkwall bit.  

So if we start events at Wintermarth in 9:30, we can make a same assumption that the warden is recruited half-way through the conflict, Lothering is lost a month or less after Ostagar, the warden defeats the blight five months later, and the events in Ameranthine occur about a month or two before Hawke leaves his servitude post. 

As for Sandal, I will try that one later when I am not so sleepy. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 10 juin 2013 - 03:51 .

[archangel1996]

Wynne:"It has been almost a year, hasn't it?"

[LinksOcarina]

archangel1996 wrote...

Wynne:"It has been almost a year, hasn't it?"

Here is the problem, when in the story does she say this? 

[archangel1996]

If you are an Amell and when you talk about the Circle i think

Besides the loading screen in DA2 which talks about the Hero of Ferelden and the Blight sayes that it lasted 1 year XD Found out today playing XD

Modifié par archangel1996, 10 juin 2013 - 06:28 .

[LinksOcarina]

archangel1996 wrote...

If you are an Amell and when you talk about the Circle i think

Besides the loading screen in DA2 which talks about the Hero of Ferelden and the Blight sayes that it lasted 1 year XD Found out today playing XD

No I get that.

What I mean though is when in the timeline does Wynne say it? Is it early int he game? Late in the game? right before the archdemon? etc. 

I think its one of those convos that varies because it can be triggered at any time, thats why I am asking because if thats the case its not exactly strong evidence of anything, really. 

[archangel1996]

This is way i wrote this "Besides the loading screen in DA2 which talks about the Hero of Ferelden and the Blight sayes that it lasted 1 year. Found out today playing"

I don't really rememebr if you need approval to trigger the discussion
Anyway, i think it's a good proof because the dialogues are a little messed up in the games