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[frostajulie]

I really enjoyed her character Tallis and would enjoy seeing her reprise the role, I did not like how easily manipulated Hawke was but when you go along with her I quite liked her and wished she would have stuck around. Unlike Diana Allers crappy VA Felicia Day did a really good job and doesn't deserve even half the criticism she's given.

But I also really liked the Talis shorts that were on Youtube and enjoyed her portrayal of the character there as well.

[Sir George Parr]

syllogi wrote...


I do not like Tallis because I do not agree with her character's basic characterization, I think she is either confused or blatantly disregarding the Qun's own teachings in the way she behaves, and she is a hypocrite putting many more innocent lives in danger by being allowed to take the list at the end of MotA.  I find her quirky and cutesy Manic Pixie Dream Girl behavior to be annoying and offputting, given her role as someone who lies to Hawke and manipulates them into putting their life, and the lives of their friends, in danger, in order to protect spies who WILL cause the deaths of many people who will not want to submit to the Qun.  There is nothing cute or precious about that.

If Tallis's role in DA3 were similar to her role in MotA, I would not want her.  If anything, please put her into paid DLC again, so I can choose to avoid her.

I do agree.

[sandalisthemaker]

I would like to be able to show her the error of her ways and have her leave the Qun.
If she refuses, then she should be dealt with the way I wish we could have dealt with her in MotA instead of being forced to let her walk away.

[FINE HERE]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: No. No, no, no, no. Maker, NO.

Her MotA dlc part was bad enough, and I regret the cash I wasted on it. I don't mind Felicia Day or her other work, but Tallis was... bad. Just bad. They tried too hard to make Tallis be special, funny and amazing and she just came off as a Mary Sue. The whole dlc was about Tallis and you could do nothing to oppose her.

I don't want to see that character again unless it's with the ability to stop her via imprisoning her or killing her if that's the only option. Not letting us stop her again will be annoying, forcing us to take her in our group would be excruciating. And changing her character to not support the Qun and help the PC would be character-breaking, I wouldn't want to see that happen either. Please, just no more Tallis!

[NoForgiveness]

I really liked tallis and would really really like her to be a companion. but there were some flaws in mota, more with the way she was put into the game and not her actual character. that said, I think all the hate she gets is just extremely exaggerated, like it is for most everything else.

[Enigmatick]

Tallis is the literal definition of a self-insert character. God help whoever thought that it was a good idea to waste DLC on her.

Modifié par Enigmatick, 07 juin 2013 - 06:34 .

[Abraham_uk]

syllogi wrote...

For the millionth time:

I like Felicia Day, and I am not jealous of Felicia Day (if David Gaider actually said that I'm really sad, but I'm going to pretend it was a nasty rumor until I see a direct quote).

I do not like Tallis because I do not agree with her character's basic characterization, I think she is either confused or blatantly disregarding the Qun's own teachings in the way she behaves, and she is a hypocrite putting many more innocent lives in danger by being allowed to take the list at the end of MotA.  I find her quirky and cutesy Manic Pixie Dream Girl behavior to be annoying and offputting, given her role as someone who lies to Hawke and manipulates them into putting their life, and the lives of their friends, in danger, in order to protect spies who WILL cause the deaths of many people who will not want to submit to the Qun.  There is nothing cute or precious about that.

If Tallis's role in DA3 were similar to her role in MotA, I would not want her.  If anything, please put her into paid DLC again, so I can choose to avoid her.

As someone who actually liked the character of Tallis, I do feel the need to say...

You have a point. It is actually nice to see people adding some elaboration to their "No".

I hate to say this however, but you did just list all the reasons why I like the character...

[ArcaneJTM]

I wouldn't say that I'm particularly enthusiastic about the idea, but I did like her enough that I'd want to see her again.

[syllogi]

Filament wrote...

syllogi wrote...

(if David Gaider actually said that I'm really sad, but I'm going to pretend it was a nasty rumor until I see a direct quote).

Here you go.

Personally I think her characterization with regard to the Qun is perfectly reasonable as a convert. Though anyone could see she had some Sue-ish qualities, man or woman gamer. (Though would we have really seen it the same way had Tallis herself been male? I don't think DG's point should be dismissed out-of-hand. Our perceptions aren't so unbiased as we would like to think, usually.)

If Tallis were male, I highly doubt he would have been written the same way.  Cutesy and quirky aren't generally popular traits for male video game characters, unless we're talking about Sonic or Sly Cooper or something.

As for the linked quote, yeah, whatever.  It's gross and typical to say that it's *only* female gamers who had issues with her character, or that we saw her as competition...but I'm typing this with my ovaries, so what do I know.  

I personally don't have a problem with other people liking Tallis as she was written in MotA, but I also see the fact that those of us who didn't like her had no way of expressing that dislike or stopping her from taking the list at the end of the DLC as a major problem.  I'm not playing a video game so that I can watch my character act in ways that other people enjoy.  I don't need my every wish fulfilled, but if you're creating a roleplaying game with multiple dialogue options and at least the illusion of a branching plot, let me have the satisfaction of believing that what I do during each mission affects the game world in some way.  Tallis, to me, represents frustration and annoyance.

[frostajulie]

syllogi wrote...
 I don't need my every wish fulfilled, but if you're creating a roleplaying game with multiple dialogue options and at least the illusion of a branching plot, let me have the satisfaction of believing that what I do during each mission affects the game world in some way.  Tallis, to me, represents frustration and annoyance.

This is where I feel Tallis and by extension Felicia day takes a lot of undeserved heat.  The way her story arc was handled was bad not the character or the VA, although if you play a Hawke who sides with her its not so bad at all, the biggest hurdles are that the story plays out the same way regardless as the player your illusion of choice tenuous at best throughout this game is completely stripped away.  THAT IS frustrating and annoying but that is the fault of the devs and writers and thats not to say I myself could do any better  BUT THEY COULD HAVE because after DAO ME1 and ME2 where I never noticed my illusion of choice beng taken from me (and it was often taken from me but the way it was done was subtle, nuanced, perfectly done so that the illusion was intact- EXCEPT FOR THE END OF ARRIVAL- that was a sledgehammer to the illusion however it was done correctly since this was such an immediate threat it really did only have one bad outcome bad or worse).

As for her being a Mary sue or self insert- NO she is not.  Some people are "cutesy" and "nerdy" and calling her a mary sue for having those character traits is ridiculous.  Tallis was flawed and manipulative and she thought she did these things for the greater good but she wasn't she was just a tool and she was being used and sadly was not smart enough to realize it.  I firmly believe most of the fact she gets so much flack is because MotA while being a fun DLC was a Tallis centered DLC and not Hawke centered and say what you will about art, and the direction of video games blah blah blah but people like it when their characters are the center of the game universe when they are relegated to the role of bystander the magic loses its sparkle.

In a way maybe gamers who don't like Tallis are jealous, not of the VA or even the character but the role the character played in the dlc compared to Hawkes.  I don't think I am jeolous of Talis the character but I freely admit I like my character to be the center of everyones universe in a Videogame.  I also like the illusion of choice to never be broken let me choose how to play out a scenerio without railroading me so obviously into what you want me to do so your new character shines.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I kind of want to see her again, maybe in a different role though. There were several things about her that I liked. I did like that she doesn't fall into stereotypes about the Qunari, I think it would be better for to appear working for the rest of the Qunari more. Seeing as she was so cutesy, it would be interesting to see her more of an atagonist in the future.

I do think that Hawkes should have been able to oppose her more if they chose. Maybe if you try to kill her for the list they play a cut scene where they fight and Hawke injures her before she flees.

[vortex216]

I hope so. Maybe not as a big main-important character. Perhaps as big as Gamlen or Leandra?

[Hurbster]

I would not like to see Tallis again, unless we can actually act against her. It's not Felicia Day's fault, it's the goddamn awful writing, characterization and rail-roading that I disliked.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Tallis was one of the best things to come out of DA2, and while I'm sure she's in DA3, it's unlikely she will be more than a cameo.

[Fredward]

GodWood wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...
Anyway the amount of petty, juvenile hate that inevitably gets thrown around in these threads make me sick.

This thread has been pretty sensible.

IKR? 'Specially compared with the previous thread on the topic.

+1 BSN. +1.

[CrazyRah]

syllogi wrote...

For the millionth time:

I like Felicia Day, and I am not jealous of Felicia Day (if David Gaider actually said that I'm really sad, but I'm going to pretend it was a nasty rumor until I see a direct quote).

I do not like Tallis because I do not agree with her character's basic characterization, I think she is either confused or blatantly disregarding the Qun's own teachings in the way she behaves, and she is a hypocrite putting many more innocent lives in danger by being allowed to take the list at the end of MotA.  I find her quirky and cutesy Manic Pixie Dream Girl behavior to be annoying and offputting, given her role as someone who lies to Hawke and manipulates them into putting their life, and the lives of their friends, in danger, in order to protect spies who WILL cause the deaths of many people who will not want to submit to the Qun.  There is nothing cute or precious about that.

If Tallis's role in DA3 were similar to her role in MotA, I would not want her.  If anything, please put her into paid DLC again, so I can choose to avoid her.

Very well said, exactly how i feel aswell

[Angrywolves]

I hope she's in the game because it would upset so many people.lol.

[Demx]

I personally didn't like the voice, design, or the character itself.

[K_Tabris]

Yes, I really liked her character. The only problem I had though was her face model so so abruptly different from the other characters of the game, I found it a bit jarring.

[pdusen]

I'd like to see her play a major role in DA3, partly because I enjoyed Hawke's banter with her in MOTA, but also so I can be nourished by this forum's sweet, delicious tears.

[Chiramu]

Why not have a new Tallis? Since they are titles and not names why is there only one Tallis in people's minds?

[K_Tabris]

^^ that's an interesting idea