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[SimplePlan2k8]

So as we all know, Deception sucked etc etc

Anyway, I was in my local bookstore today and picked up a copy of it, and noticed on the inside cover the words reprinted 2013. Now I dunno if it's just supply and demand reprint or not, but could this be the rewrite we've been waiting for? I couldn't remember any sections so couldn't check.

Anyone know?

[Red Panda]

No, but it sounds great! That's really awesome.

[voteDC]

It's just a new print run of the old version. Just as how you can buy a new copy of the first Harry Potter or the Hobbit that has been published this year.

That it has been reprinted in 2013 doesn't mean that the text inside has been changed.

Modifié par voteDC, 07 juin 2013 - 11:38 .

[SimplePlan2k8]

Seems odd to reprint a book that is actually wrong though. Surely it would make sense to make the promised changes and then release it again?

[Cribbian]

If I remember correctly Bioware said that the rewrite was made and they were just waiting for a reprint.

[Saberchic]

I thought they might announce something like that if it was the new version though seeing as how much of a stink it caused on release.

As much as I detest all the stupidity the original book had, I will always love the rage comic.

[Oni Changas]

Until they actually do the rewrite, you can safely assume they stopped giving a **** about the story and lore they created. ME3's derpness just goes to further support this.

[PHGDAL]

What? Deception sucks? I'm in the middle of Retribution! Don't tell me that just like the games, I'm going to be let down at the end....

[Oni Changas]

Deception is the precursor to ME3's weirdness. I'll leave you with that. Also, its not canon, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. If you really want to check it out, DON'T buy it. Google the ME:Deception Rage Comic.

[JamesFaith]

PHGDAL wrote...

What? Deception sucks? I'm in the middle of Retribution! Don't tell me that just like the games, I'm going to be let down at the end....

Yes, Deception is abomination, but you should stop with Retribution, which wrap main story nicely. Dietz, author of Deception, just return some old characters and create story where nothing happened, just few pointless deaths.

[In Exile]

PHGDAL wrote...

What? Deception sucks? I'm in the middle of Retribution! Don't tell me that just like the games, I'm going to be let down at the end....

Read it with cereal on hand. 

[SilJeff]

TC, have you thumbed through the novel and noticed any less-derpiness?

I want to read Deception (just so I can know first hand how bad it really is), but if that truly is different, I will definitely rather read it

[Ajensis]

SilJeff wrote...

TC, have you thumbed through the novel and noticed any less-derpiness?
(...)

I second that question. I won't be picking up this book myself, but I'm still really curious to know if the rewrite went through after all if you could somehow confirm or deny that, it'd be swell!

[FlamingBoy]

What I think of the issue, its fits in well with bioware saying something and doing the opposite....

"The teams at Del Rey and BioWare would like to extend our sincerest apologies to the Mass Effect fans for any errors and oversights made in the recent novel Mass Effect: Deception. We are currently working on a number of changes that will appear in future editions of the novel." - Chris Priestly 2012

I mean there is no indication that they are not making "changes" however it has been a year with no update and/or date placed on the "future edition". Its unfortunate because I know a lot of people on the forum who had their heart set on the fix. To say something with no intention of doing it for the purpose of negating negative publicity (Especially to make me3 release as smooth as possible) is just not right.

but oh well

[FlamingBoy]

This glorious double post has been deleted

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 15 juin 2013 - 10:05 .

[SimplePlan2k8]

Ajensis wrote...

SilJeff wrote...

TC, have you thumbed through the novel and noticed any less-derpiness?
(...)

I second that question. I won't be picking up this book myself, but I'm still really curious to know if the rewrite went through after all if you could somehow confirm or deny that, it'd be swell!

I didn't buy the original book so don't know what I'm looking for in terms of actual sections. I'm heading back into town tomorrow where I found the reprint, so if someone could give me an excerpt that was particularly bad, I could check that?

[JamesFaith]

SimplePlan2k8 wrote...

I didn't buy the original book so don't know what I'm looking for in terms of actual sections. I'm heading back into town tomorrow where I found the reprint, so if someone could give me an excerpt that was particularly bad, I could check that?

It was hard to choose but try this one from middle of the Chapter 1, where are 3 lore mistakes - quarian (Fothar vas Maynar) is adressed by name of his ship, batarian embassy and no quarian government. 

The quarian delivered a half bow.  "Thank you.  The matter I wish to put before you is simple.  While it's true that my race unintentionally loosed the geth menace on the galaxy--it's also true that we have paid for that mistake and continue to do so.

"The Council may recall that many years ago, in the wake of the geth rebellion, we were ordered to close our office in the Presidium.  And we understand why.  But a great deal has changed since then and we believe the time has come for a new relationship.  That is why I come before the Council seeking permission to reopen a quarian embassy on the Citadel. After all, even the batarians have such an office in the Presidium, so why should the Migrant Fleet be excluded?"

That brought a roar of opposition from the crowd and, true to her word, the master at arms sent troops in to clear the amphitheatre. That took ten minutes and the quarian had to stand and wait until the process was completed.  Then the debate began in earnest and it soon became clear that the Council was split.  The salarian and human members were in favor of the proposal while the others were opposed..

After fifteen minutes of give and take it was the asari who offered a compromise.  "I oppose the concept of reopening a quarian embassy, because it implies the existence of a cohesive government.  And Representative Maynar has yet to prove that such an organization actually exists.”

Dietzed formating edited.

Modifié par JamesFaith, 16 juin 2013 - 05:14 .

[SimplePlan2k8]

I didn't get a chance to check this but I will asap.

Also, the writing in that segment is atrocious...

[AlexMBrennan]

I didn't buy the original book so don't know what I'm looking for in terms of actual sections. I'm heading back into town tomorrow where I found the reprint, so if someone could give me an excerpt that was particularly bad, I could check that?

Knock yourself out

[The Twilight God]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

I didn't buy the original book so don't know what I'm looking for in terms of actual sections. I'm heading back into town tomorrow where I found the reprint, so if someone could give me an excerpt that was particularly bad, I could check that?

Knock yourself out

The cliff notes: http://imgur.com/a/lAVji

This is completely serious. This comic accurately depicts the actual contents of the book. I cannot stress the fact that this is REALLYwhat occurs in the book.

[Synergizer]

 I'm very wary of generic writers that cash in on pick-up popular franchises.

Partly because their books are often written without interest in the subject matter background research, and are usually just pre-conceived stories with names and places changed to protect the innocent adapted to take place in the chosen franchise's Universe with some familiar characters. They just lack a feel of authenticity.

[firesprite1123]

i lost my copy of the book and i don't plan to buy a new one even if they do the rewrite, the whole thing was just plain flat out bad.

[ElitePinecone]

Synergizer wrote...

 I'm very wary of generic writers that cash in on pick-up popular franchises.

Partly because their books are often written without interest in the subject matter background research, and are usually just pre-conceived stories with names and places changed to protect the innocent adapted to take place in the chosen franchise's Universe with some familiar characters. They just lack a feel of authenticity.

What was possibly worse in Deception's case wasn't just that it felt inauthentic and weirdly unrelated to Mass Effect (to be fair to Dietz, he was writing in somebody else's universe with probably very little preparation time), but that nobody from Bioware seemed to notice or care about the errors. If anything the responsibility falls on them to proofread the novel properly before release. 

Casey tweeted that he was reading through a draft of Deception to give his approval a while before it was on shelves, but apparently he didn't notice the yawning mistakes, or the sheer awkwardness of the writing (a character switches names twice over ten pages or so), or the discrepencies between the novel and the other books in the series. He was definitely busy at the time finishing ME3, but why not delegate proofreading to someone at the company who actually had the time to check it properly? 

I know it's a tie-in novel to a videogame series, but for a developer that apparently elevates narative above other aspects of design, not bothering to release the novel at a high standard was really very disappointing. It's kinda hard to have faith that Bioware actually cares about the universe it's created when senior people at the company are willing to approve and endorse storytelling in that universe which gets so much wrong, and so clumsily. Deception felt like a obligatory pre-launch novel that some IP development executive wanted to fill a schedule hole somewhere, rather than a considered and, I guess, necessary addition to the ME series. 

It all makes me pretty cynical about the studio's attitude to its own creation, basically. 

[The Twilight God]

Synergizer wrote...

 I'm very wary of generic writers that cash in on pick-up popular franchises.

Partly because their books are often written without interest in the subject matter background research, and are usually just pre-conceived stories with names and places changed to protect the innocent adapted to take place in the chosen franchise's Universe with some familiar characters. They just lack a feel of authenticity.

Yeah, that Mac Walters really needs to be replace... oh, wait, you're talking about Dietz.

[Ananka]

The Twilight God wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

I didn't buy the original book so don't know what I'm looking for in terms of actual sections. I'm heading back into town tomorrow where I found the reprint, so if someone could give me an excerpt that was particularly bad, I could check that?

Knock yourself out

The cliff notes: http://imgur.com/a/lAVji

This is completely serious. This comic accurately depicts the actual contents of the book. I cannot stress the fact that this is REALLYwhat occurs in the book.

Oh wow. I haven't read the novels, but I'm starting to see what all the rage was about.

Modifié par Annaka, 22 juin 2013 - 08:21 .