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[Soldier096]

IceHawk-181 wrote...

As far as the numbers go, considering that we may have a few hundred people respond to a poll versus the millions who have played the game, citing that the majority here may or may not reach consensus is akin to asking a small town in upstate New York who the President should be...

Also, the Geth Consensus only turns to the Reaper because the only other choice is immediate annihilation.

64% of players had Wrex  dead. Only 8% is didn't cure the Genophage. Is the general decision of giving a violent warlord the means of starting another war the right one? There have been many many times in history where the public opinion is wrong. For example majority of people believe that video games and other forms of entertainment cause violence. So is that correct just because that is what majority of people think? Basing your argument on public opinion is the last thing you should do. 

I fail to see that logic. Either die or become a weapon for your enemy. Legion even said the decision wasn't even based off of logic. All it showed was the Geth's willingless to harm the rest of the Galaxy in the face off annihilation for a few moments of existence. So if I die, I might as well take some innocent bystander with me. In organic terms that is what they did. If Shepard didn't intervene the Reaper Controlled Geth would have killed far more people not even involved with the Rannoch conflict. 
Looking back it looks like a bad excuse for us to fight the Geth again. 

Modifié par Soldier096, 09 juin 2013 - 04:09 .

[KaiserShep]

I wonder how many players had Wrex dead simply because they neglected to level up their charm level and do his armor mission (not sure how greatly the mission affects it) and didn't bother replaying ME. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 09 juin 2013 - 03:22 .

[Iakus]

Doing the armor mission means you can talk him down with regular dialogue choices

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Soldier096 wrote...

IceHawk-181 wrote...

As far as the numbers go, considering that we may have a few hundred people respond to a poll versus the millions who have played the game, citing that the majority here may or may not reach consensus is akin to asking a small town in upstate New York who the President should be...

Also, the Geth Consensus only turns to the Reaper because the only other choice is immediate annihilation.

64% of players had Wrex  dead. Only 8% is didn't cure the Genophage. Is the general decision of giving a violent warlord the means of starting another war the right one? There have been many many times in history where the public opinion is wrong. For example majority of people believe that video games and other forms of entertainment cause violence. So is that correct just because that is what majority of people think? Basing your argument on public opinion is the last thing you should do. 

I fail to see that logic. Either die or become a weapon for your enemy. Legion even said the decision wasn't even based off of logic. All it showed was the Geth's willingless to harm the rest of the Galaxy in the face off annihilation for a few moments of existence. So if I die, I might as well take some innocent bystander with me. In organic terms that is what they did. If Shepard didn't intervene the Reaper Controlled Geth would have killed far more people not even involved with the Rannoch conflict. 
Looking back it looks like a bad excuse for us to fight the Geth again. 

Also that number also includes the people who did not have imports from ME1. If you did not play ME1 you started with Wreav. If you played ME3 only you started with Wreav.

Also Icehawk, you are speaking for yourself.

BSN is scattered all over the world, but we are not a scientific sample. Bioware's numbers represent all of those people who had an internet connection live when they played the game. But even their numbers for the ending are not correct. For example... on my first play through of the game I first chose Destroy. I thought I did something wrong. Then I played back and chose Control. I thought I did something wrong. Then I chose Synthesis. I knew I didn't do anything wrong, and I went back to my save and chose Destroy again. So that's two counts of Destroy and one each for Control and Synthesis when I wouldn't have chosen either of those two. I'm one of the 26% who saved the Quarians. I also made peace one time for my EC play because I thought it was going to be a big change, and it didn't change anything. Svetlana is still under the rubble.

MEHEM is the only option that's acceptable. The rest can burn in hell.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 09 juin 2013 - 04:33 .

[Mello]

Da fuq- NO.

[IceHawk-181]

Oh, I agree, it is a crappy decision and one I would personally not choose if I was the only one effected (I am of the Go Down Fighting mentality, not the "Better Red than Dead" mentality).

Then again in reality when faced with the exact same choice most societies that I can think of decided they would rather live under repressive regimes that violated their cultural heritage than watch their children violently killed...

Which is the problem; how can you declare such a decision morally repugnant and therefore doom an entire sentient species because you would have rather they commit species-suicide?

The Geth chose the only option available to them that allowed them to surive.

If you had two small children looking up to you and were faced with the same decision, watch them die horrific deaths or sacrifice your soul to give them a chance at life, what would you do?

And then recognize that the Geth decision encompasses the entire species.

Personally, I know what my wife and I would decide.

While that is a culturally contingent decision, the point stands nonetheless that most parents throughout history sacrificed everything including the perversion of their own culture to allow their progeny to survive.

In the end I cannot find the moral justification in damning a race for not scarifying itself for my good.

Modifié par IceHawk-181, 09 juin 2013 - 04:34 .

[Soldier096]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Soldier096 wrote...

IceHawk-181 wrote...

As far as the numbers go, considering that we may have a few hundred people respond to a poll versus the millions who have played the game, citing that the majority here may or may not reach consensus is akin to asking a small town in upstate New York who the President should be...

Also, the Geth Consensus only turns to the Reaper because the only other choice is immediate annihilation.

64% of players had Wrex  dead. Only 8% is didn't cure the Genophage. Is the general decision of giving a violent warlord the means of starting another war the right one? There have been many many times in history where the public opinion is wrong. For example majority of people believe that video games and other forms of entertainment cause violence. So is that correct just because that is what majority of people think? Basing your argument on public opinion is the last thing you should do. 

I fail to see that logic. Either die or become a weapon for your enemy. Legion even said the decision wasn't even based off of logic. All it showed was the Geth's willingless to harm the rest of the Galaxy in the face off annihilation for a few moments of existence. So if I die, I might as well take some innocent bystander with me. In organic terms that is what they did. If Shepard didn't intervene the Reaper Controlled Geth would have killed far more people not even involved with the Rannoch conflict. 
Looking back it looks like a bad excuse for us to fight the Geth again. 

Also that number also includes the people who did not have imports from ME1. If you did not play ME1 you started with Wreav. If you played ME3 only you started with Wreav.

Yep. That also proves my point. There are also people that started with the third game. So they have less knowledge regarding the lore. Me3 tried to victimize the Krogan and Geth while trying to demonize the Quarians and the Salarians. The only way someone could understand the full extent of the situation is if they played the other two games. 

Modifié par Soldier096, 09 juin 2013 - 04:41 .

[IceHawk-181]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Soldier096 wrote...

IceHawk-181 wrote...

As far as the numbers go, considering that we may have a few hundred people respond to a poll versus the millions who have played the game, citing that the majority here may or may not reach consensus is akin to asking a small town in upstate New York who the President should be...

Also, the Geth Consensus only turns to the Reaper because the only other choice is immediate annihilation.

64% of players had Wrex  dead. Only 8% is didn't cure the Genophage. Is the general decision of giving a violent warlord the means of starting another war the right one? There have been many many times in history where the public opinion is wrong. For example majority of people believe that video games and other forms of entertainment cause violence. So is that correct just because that is what majority of people think? Basing your argument on public opinion is the last thing you should do. 

I fail to see that logic. Either die or become a weapon for your enemy. Legion even said the decision wasn't even based off of logic. All it showed was the Geth's willingless to harm the rest of the Galaxy in the face off annihilation for a few moments of existence. So if I die, I might as well take some innocent bystander with me. In organic terms that is what they did. If Shepard didn't intervene the Reaper Controlled Geth would have killed far more people not even involved with the Rannoch conflict. 
Looking back it looks like a bad excuse for us to fight the Geth again. 

Also that number also includes the people who did not have imports from ME1. If you did not play ME1 you started with Wreav. If you played ME3 only you started with Wreav.

Also Icehawk, you are speaking for yourself.

BSN is scattered all over the world, but we are not a scientific sample. Bioware's numbers represent all of those people who had an internet connection live when they played the game. But even their numbers for the ending are not correct. For example... on my first play through of the game I first chose Destroy. I thought I did something wrong. Then I played back and chose Control. I thought I did something wrong. Then I chose Synthesis. I knew I didn't do anything wrong, and I went back to my save and chose Destroy again. So that's two counts of Destroy and one each for Control and Synthesis when I wouldn't have chosen either of those two. I'm one of the 26% who saved the Quarians. I also made peace one time for my EC play because I thought it was going to be a big change, and it didn't change anything. Svetlana is still under the rubble.

MEHEM is the only option that's acceptable. The rest can burn in hell.

As best as I know Bioware did not explain whether its numbers encompassed all play throughs or only first plays. (Anyone have a source?)
 
I am not issuing an ad populum argument; merely pointing out that BSN represents an extreme minority that in no way represents a randomized statistical sample.
 
Bioware's numbers however do express a total statistical sample, which I only pointed out to demonstrate that the expressed opinions of BSN hardly represent a representative sample, let alone a statistically significant one.
 
Nothing more really; my main argument is in my previous post.
 
 

[AlanC9]

Soldier096 wrote...

Yep. That also proves my point. There are also people that started with the third game. So they have less knowledge regarding the lore. Me3 tried to victimize the Krogan and Geth while trying to demonize the Quarians and the Salarians. The only way someone could understand the full extent of the situation is if they played the other two games. 

I don't follow this. ME3 doesn't tell you anything different from what you heard in the first two games. The quarians were the aggressors, for instance; Tali doesn't even try to cover that up.

[S.A.K]

If only there was a way to end Rannoch story arc without uploading Reaper code. Then Destroy wave may not have killed the Geth because they are not even real AIs.

If this was real, I would have blown Legion's head off with the Claymore or something when it asks to upload Reaper code, just to make sure that code is never sent to all Geth. There is no way to know that code is safe.

[S.A.K]

AlanC9 wrote...

Soldier096 wrote...

Yep. That also proves my point. There are also people that started with the third game. So they have less knowledge regarding the lore. Me3 tried to victimize the Krogan and Geth while trying to demonize the Quarians and the Salarians. The only way someone could understand the full extent of the situation is if they played the other two games. 

I don't follow this. ME3 doesn't tell you anything different from what you heard in the first two games. The quarians were the aggressors, for instance; Tali doesn't even try to cover that up.

In the Geth server mission, Legion specifically shows all the nice things Geth have done like letting last Quarians go. It shows Quarians shooting unarmed Geth in the start of the war. It doesn't show the Geth killing billions of Quarians and  using chemical weapons. Infact it doesn't show Geth killing anyone. Shepard even say "you let them live" like he never knew that and I wanted to slap Shepard right there.
Really Shepard? They just killed billions within one year without discriminating. Legion omits information to win Shepards favor and people buy it like idiots. Also it makes you believe Quarians made them join Reapers. In fact Geth were holding every Quarian world for 300 years without even letting themselves be contacted and kills everyone coming close, leaving Quarians no other way to reclaim their world. Geth had several days to figure something out but it doesn't look like they even tried to find an alternetive before joining Reapers. I am so glad there is no way to save Legion. And I make sure rest of its buddies join it by the end.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

S.A.K wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Soldier096 wrote...

Yep. That also proves my point. There are also people that started with the third game. So they have less knowledge regarding the lore. Me3 tried to victimize the Krogan and Geth while trying to demonize the Quarians and the Salarians. The only way someone could understand the full extent of the situation is if they played the other two games. 

I don't follow this. ME3 doesn't tell you anything different from what you heard in the first two games. The quarians were the aggressors, for instance; Tali doesn't even try to cover that up.

In the Geth server mission, Legion specifically shows all the nice things Geth have done like letting last Quarians go. It shows Quarians shooting unarmed Geth in the start of the war. It doesn't show the Geth killing billions of Quarians and  using chemical weapons. Infact it doesn't show Geth killing anyone. Shepard even say "you let them live" like he never knew that and I wanted to slap Shepard right there.
Really Shepard? They just killed billions within one year without discriminating. Legion omits information to win Shepards favor and people buy it like idiots. Also it makes you believe Quarians made them join Reapers. In fact Geth were holding every Quarian world for 300 years without even letting themselves be contacted and kills everyone coming close, leaving Quarians no other way to reclaim their world. Geth had several days to figure something out but it doesn't look like they even tried to find an alternetive before joining Reapers. I am so glad there is no way to save Legion. And I make sure rest of its buddies join it by the end.

Yeah, the Geth did just kill billions. Because the Quarians were trying to exterminate them. 

The Geth were young, and naive. They really had no idea what they were doing, and Legion states this. They were acting on instinct. The Geth realized they were going overboard and stopped. At that point though, they believed (correctly, for the most part) that the galaxy was full of hostile organics that they didn't understand that wanted to kill them. That's why they were so insular. 

The Quarians did the exact same in killing billions of Geth. What makes that ok? The Geth retaliated. It literally was kill or be killed.

As for the Reapers, the Geth really had no choice. Outside a few organics, do you really think any civilization is going to care about the Geth? Organics are typically predisposed to fear and hate them on instinct.

Everything I ever heard about the Geth from the Quarians seemed rather skewered, due to the fact that the Quarians believed intelligent machines = hostile intelligence hellbent on killing them. 

That's a croc of ****, and I call the Suit Bug out on it when she mentions it in ME1. The only Quarians that really seem to understand that it pretty much was all the Quarians fault was Koris, possibly the Bug, and possibly Kal'Reegar. 

The Geth are open to peace, provided no one tries to kill them. Thus far, that hasn't been the case. The Quarians are the ones perpetuating this war. They're the ones who caused the Geth to go into the Reapers arms by attacking needlessly. They're the ones who are constantly trying to kill the Geth. They're the ones who started this whole problem.

So you know what? The Quarians lost billions to the Geth. In my opinion, they were facing the fate that they built for themselves. And if I didn't need their fleet against the Reapers, I'd leave them to be ripped apart by the Geth with joy in my eyes. 

Sometimes, the absolute psychopath in me even wish Shepard would smash Tali's mask in and watch her die a slow, painful death as she succumbs to infection.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 09 juin 2013 - 05:15 .

[brian t]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

brian t wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

 are you serious? I wouldn't sacrifice DIANA ALLERS for the geth

Really see I have a problem with that I like the Geth hell I like them better than there creators especially since there creators attacked the geth first and then they complain when the Geth fight back I mean come on did they exspect them to just roll over and die who would do that then creators attack again before Mass Effect 3. Then they actually exspect me to have sympathy for them yeah I don't think so they started it so they shouldn't complain when the Geth fight back so I would sacrifice the creators over the Geth well minus Tali that is I liked her.

u mad bro?Geth are worthless.

No to be honest I just get sick and tired of people having sympathy for the people who started the problem from the get go and since the some of them didn't take any responabilties for there actions they just complain about there people getting killed when the Geth fired back I mean what a big shock you get fired at you shoot back and the idiots just didn't think they would come on

[Soldier096]

AlanC9 wrote...

Soldier096 wrote...

Yep. That also proves my point. There are also people that started with the third game. So they have less knowledge regarding the lore. Me3 tried to victimize the Krogan and Geth while trying to demonize the Quarians and the Salarians. The only way someone could understand the full extent of the situation is if they played the other two games. 

I don't follow this. ME3 doesn't tell you anything different from what you heard in the first two games. The quarians were the aggressors, for instance; Tali doesn't even try to cover that up.

They literally dedicated an entire mission just for Geth propoganda. They basically skipped over the entire Morning War. They just showing the start of the war and the end of the war. They comepletely left out the deaths of 99% Quarian population. 

They tried to portray the salarians as heartless for sterilizing a violent race. They very tried to victimize the Krogan with the dead females and Krogan expirmentation. With Wrex curing it is a good thing. With Wreav curing the genophage will most likely lead to another war but that doesn't stop people.

My point is that if someone starts with Me3 they will more likely see the Krogan and Geth as the innocent victims while seeing the Salarians and the Quarians as heartless people due to how they set up the story. They won't see the full extent of the situation as compared to someone that has played the entire trilogy. 

Modifié par Soldier096, 09 juin 2013 - 05:24 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

As for the genophage, I really don't like the Salarians or their opinions on the matter, but from what I've seen of the Krogan, they have a point.

I don't view the Krogan as victims. They have for the most part been reaping the fruit of their attitudes and really haven't been inclined to change their utterly violent ways.

Only Wrex and Eve have been shown to break from this trend. So that's why I'm willing to give them one chance to change before I come back and finish what the Turians and Salarians started.

Even then, I wasn't sure. I had my gun to Mordin's back before I decided that it was for the good of the galaxy. We needed the Krogan to fight the Reapers. 

Otherwise, I might have had to kill one of my Shepard's best friends.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 09 juin 2013 - 05:23 .

[AresKeith]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Sometimes, the absolute psychopath in me even wish Shepard would smash Tali's mask in and watch her die a slow, painful death as she succumbs to infection.

That's kinda mean to Tali since she's one of few Quarians who can be turned to help the Geth

Now if you were talking about Gerrel then sure lol

[MassivelyEffective0730]

AresKeith wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Sometimes, the absolute psychopath in me even wish Shepard would smash Tali's mask in and watch her die a slow, painful death as she succumbs to infection.

That's kinda mean to Tali since she's one of few Quarians who can be turned to help the Geth

Now if you were talking about Gerrel then sure lol

She's like the monkey in 'Pirates of the Caribbean.' 

I just need something to shoot sometimes.

And to be brutally honest, I don't like Quarians very much. They're a race of idiots practically dooming themselves to repeat history. And Tali's accent makes me want to drop kick a baby.

People call the stuff in ME3 with the Geth propaganda. 

While I certainly detest the Pinnochio story they threw on the Geth, I think we actually got the truth from Legion.

I always felt the Quarians logic regarding the Geth was faulty, even way back in ME1. 

It was no wonder the Geth turned on the Quarians. They were the stupid ones who panicked at the idea of smart AI's and tried to kill them in the first place. 

And really, the Geth had little to no experience with other organics. They assumed all of them were the same as the Quarians - hostile towards synthetic life. And they were right for 300 years. The galaxy's denizen have a rather irrational fear of synthetics. Not all synthetics are completely bloodthirsty. Each race of synthetics are probably as different and diverse as the organic races. 

I think the Geth actually showed mercy by letting the Quarians live, and isolating themselves. They want to be left to their own devices and to pursue their own goals. They don't want conflict.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 09 juin 2013 - 05:42 .

[AresKeith]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Sometimes, the absolute psychopath in me even wish Shepard would smash Tali's mask in and watch her die a slow, painful death as she succumbs to infection.

That's kinda mean to Tali since she's one of few Quarians who can be turned to help the Geth

Now if you were talking about Gerrel then sure lol

She's like the monkey in 'Pirates of the Caribbean.' 

I just need something to shoot sometimes.

And to be brutally honest, I don't like Quarians very much. They're a race of idiots practically dooming themselves to repeat history.

People call the stuff in ME3 with the Geth propaganda. 

While I certainly detest the Pinnochio story they threw on the Geth, I think we actually got the truth from Legion.

I always felt the Quarians logic regarding the Geth was faulty, even way back in ME1. 

It was no wonder the Geth turned on the Quarians. They were the stupid ones who panicked at the idea of smart AI's and tried to kill them in the first place. 

Personally to me I don't like any of the races as a whole, there's only a certain group of them or certain people in them that I only like

Because each race has something that makes them look bad, Krogans have people like Wreav, The Asari government is selfish and tried to keep Prothean beacons for themselves and some Asari acts smug, Some Turians are too up-tight, Salarians politicians are just rage inducing, Quarians have people like Gerrel

I liked the fact that the Rannoch arc showed Quarians who didn't want the Geth destroyed back during the Morning War and now during their fight

[MassivelyEffective0730]

True. All the Quarians who were actually smart and were seeing that the Geth weren't hostile were killed.

By the Quarians who panicked.

[Soldier096]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Sometimes, the absolute psychopath in me even wish Shepard would smash Tali's mask in and watch her die a slow, painful death as she succumbs to infection.

That's kinda mean to Tali since she's one of few Quarians who can be turned to help the Geth

Now if you were talking about Gerrel then sure lol

She's like the monkey in 'Pirates of the Caribbean.' 

I just need something to shoot sometimes.

And to be brutally honest, I don't like Quarians very much. They're a race of idiots practically dooming themselves to repeat history.

People call the stuff in ME3 with the Geth propaganda. 

While I certainly detest the Pinnochio story they threw on the Geth, I think we actually got the truth from Legion.

I always felt the Quarians logic regarding the Geth was faulty, even way back in ME1. 

It was no wonder the Geth turned on the Quarians. They were the stupid ones who panicked at the idea of smart AI's and tried to kill them in the first place. 

And really, the Geth had little to no experience with other organics. They assumed all of them were the same as the Quarians - hostile towards synthetic life. And they were right for 300 years.

I think the Geth actually showed mercy by letting the Quarians live, and isolating themselves. They want to be left to their own devices and to pursue their own goals. They don't want conflict.

Of course the Quarians are guilty of their own propoganda but you can't damn one side for doing it but not the other. Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed towards influencing the attitude of the community toward a cause or position by presenting only one side of an argument. Not once did Legion show a Geth unit killing a Quarian in the entire server. He just showed the destruction of Geth platforms and the death of one Quarian due to friendy-fire. He also skipped the entire war. That pretty much fits the definition of propoganda. Legion has been confirmed to be a liar so I wouldn't trust everything that he says. 

They screwed up the Geth big time in Me3. 

Modifié par Soldier096, 09 juin 2013 - 05:44 .

[HiddenInWar]

I'm fond of the qurians because of their cultural background/history and tight-knit community-like society. I don't know why but I liked them even more after I read Ascension.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Soldier096 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Sometimes, the absolute psychopath in me even wish Shepard would smash Tali's mask in and watch her die a slow, painful death as she succumbs to infection.

That's kinda mean to Tali since she's one of few Quarians who can be turned to help the Geth

Now if you were talking about Gerrel then sure lol

She's like the monkey in 'Pirates of the Caribbean.' 

I just need something to shoot sometimes.

And to be brutally honest, I don't like Quarians very much. They're a race of idiots practically dooming themselves to repeat history.

People call the stuff in ME3 with the Geth propaganda. 

While I certainly detest the Pinnochio story they threw on the Geth, I think we actually got the truth from Legion.

I always felt the Quarians logic regarding the Geth was faulty, even way back in ME1. 

It was no wonder the Geth turned on the Quarians. They were the stupid ones who panicked at the idea of smart AI's and tried to kill them in the first place. 

And really, the Geth had little to no experience with other organics. They assumed all of them were the same as the Quarians - hostile towards synthetic life. And they were right for 300 years.

I think the Geth actually showed mercy by letting the Quarians live, and isolating themselves. They want to be left to their own devices and to pursue their own goals. They don't want conflict.

Of course the Quarians are guilty of their own propoganda but you can't damn one side for doing it but not the other. Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed towards influencing the attitude of the community toward a cause or position by presenting only one side of an argument. Not once did Legion show a Geth unit killing a Quarian in the entire server. He just showed the destruction of Geth platforms and the death of one Quarian due to friendy-fire. He skipped the entire war. That pretty much fits the definition of propoganda. Legion has been confirmed to be a liar so I wouldn't trust everything that he says. 

They screwed up the Geth big time in Me3. 

Here's a question? Why did Legion have to portray the Geth killing anybody? We know it happened. We know the Quarian side to this war. The Geth aren't trying to hide from it. They're simply telling what they saw happened.

And really, from what I saw, I believe it was the Quarians being irrational. The Geth admit to being in their intellectual infancy. They couldn't comprehend the nature of their actions so much. They came to a conclusion that the only way they could protect themselves was to wipe out the Quarians. The Quarians didn't need to attack in the first place. They didn't think it out that the Geth would probably target all of them as well as have a newly instinctive distrust of all organics. I can hardly blame them for it.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HiddenInWar wrote...

I'm fond of the qurians because of their cultural background/history and tight-knit community-like society. I don't know why but I liked them even more after I read Ascension.

I see them as space gypsies. The trashy ones you see on TLC.

[Dextro Milk]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Sometimes, the absolute psychopath in me even wish Shepard would smash Tali's mask in and watch her die a slow, painful death as she succumbs to infection.

[KaiserShep]

I actually like Tali's accent. Now the Salarians. Now those are a gaggle of maddening little bastards.