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[Steelcan]

Jesus Fiendish, I wonder if you hate the quarians more than I hate asari.

[Steelcan]

Ask yourself this about the quarians attacking the geth in the Morning War. What would the Council have done if they got involved? The group that sterilized the krogan, wiped out the Rachni, bombed Shanxi to the stone age for breaking laws they did not know about. What would they have done had they known about the geth? They don't take kindly to AI's

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Or how about this- Javik throws the Reapers out the airlock, and everyone lives happily ever after. Call it the "Airlock" DLC.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

Jesus Fiendish, I wonder if you hate the quarians more than I hate asari.

No, but I do think that collectively, they have the highest percentage of mental invalids and closed-mindedness of any other race.

I mean, 300 years of virtual inbreeding (despite the steps taken to avoid it) and all the survivors were the idiots who believe synthetics are evil on instinct and then relaying that for 300 years. It's a damn wonder that people like Koris were able to exist at all. He's the only Quarian with half a brain. Tali of course can be made to see reason, and Kal'Reegar knows that only an idiot would fight the Geth.

[Dextro Milk]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Jesus Fiendish, I wonder if you hate the quarians more than I hate asari.

No, but I do think that collectively, they have the highest percentage of mental invalids and closed-mindedness of any other race.

I think you forgot to look at your own race. Human.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

Ask yourself this about the quarians attacking the geth in the Morning War. What would the Council have done if they got involved? The group that sterilized the krogan, wiped out the Rachni, bombed Shanxi to the stone age for breaking laws they did not know about. What would they have done had they known about the geth? They don't take kindly to AI's

I think they knew about the Geth. It'd be pretty hard to hide all the platforms out doing menial labor from visitors to Rannoch. The Quarians have been a part of galactic society for centuries, longer than the Turians even. What the Council didn't know that the Geth were AI. They were thought to be mindless drones.

And the Council didn't deploy the genophage. That was the Turians. The Krogan wiped out the Rachni. And the Turians were the ones who attacked Shanxi. The Council intervened in the last one.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 09 juin 2013 - 06:12 .

[Steelcan]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Jesus Fiendish, I wonder if you hate the quarians more than I hate asari.

No, but I do think that collectively, they have the highest percentage of mental invalids and closed-mindedness of any other race.

I mean, 300 years of virtual inbreeding (despite the steps taken to avoid it) and all the survivors were the idiots who believe synthetics are evil on instinct and then relaying that for 300 years. It's a damn wonder that people like Koris were able to exist at all. He's the only Quarian with half a brain. Tali of course can be made to see reason, and Kal'Reegar knows that only an idiot would fight the Geth.

.  And the geth allied with the reapers, twice, and the normal geth did nothing to stop the heretics because they thougjt they could play nicely.  Lets not go to whose smarter.

[Steelcan]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Ask yourself this about the quarians attacking the geth in the Morning War. What would the Council have done if they got involved? The group that sterilized the krogan, wiped out the Rachni, bombed Shanxi to the stone age for breaking laws they did not know about. What would they have done had they known about the geth? They don't take kindly to AI's

I think they knew about the Geth. It'd be pretty hard to hide all the platforms out doing menial labor. What the Council didn't know that the Geth were AI. They were thought to be mindless drones.

.  And as soon as the quarians found out otherwise they tried to shut them down.  Which if they had not done so would have given the council cause to interfere.

[Steelcan]

The Council orchestrated all of those. Krogan were let loose under Salarian influence, genophage was deployed by the Turians, but the Salarians developed it, Shanxi was carried out by Turians enforcing Council law

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Jesus Fiendish, I wonder if you hate the quarians more than I hate asari.

No, but I do think that collectively, they have the highest percentage of mental invalids and closed-mindedness of any other race.

I mean, 300 years of virtual inbreeding (despite the steps taken to avoid it) and all the survivors were the idiots who believe synthetics are evil on instinct and then relaying that for 300 years. It's a damn wonder that people like Koris were able to exist at all. He's the only Quarian with half a brain. Tali of course can be made to see reason, and Kal'Reegar knows that only an idiot would fight the Geth.

.  And the geth allied with the reapers, twice, and the normal geth did nothing to stop the heretics because they thougjt they could play nicely.  Lets not go to whose smarter.

The first time, the Geth really weren't interested in the outside Galaxy. It was full of hostile organics that had proven to not be friendly towards the Geth. The Geth really didn't care what the Heretics did so long as they kept out of main Geth business. Short-sighted perhaps, but then again, the Geth are rather apathetic to things that don't affect them.

The second time, are you serious? 

What else were the Geth supposed to do? Would you willingly line up to be killed? I don't like that they went to the Reapers. I know it's practically suicide. The Geth knew it was a terrible choice too. But it was that or be wiped out.

I really can't blame them for wanting to live. That's the definition of being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

[S.A.K]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Soldier096 wrote...

Yep. That also proves my point. There are also people that started with the third game. So they have less knowledge regarding the lore. Me3 tried to victimize the Krogan and Geth while trying to demonize the Quarians and the Salarians. The only way someone could understand the full extent of the situation is if they played the other two games. 

I don't follow this. ME3 doesn't tell you anything different from what you heard in the first two games. The quarians were the aggressors, for instance; Tali doesn't even try to cover that up.

In the Geth server mission, Legion specifically shows all the nice things Geth have done like letting last Quarians go. It shows Quarians shooting unarmed Geth in the start of the war. It doesn't show the Geth killing billions of Quarians and  using chemical weapons. Infact it doesn't show Geth killing anyone. Shepard even say "you let them live" like he never knew that and I wanted to slap Shepard right there.
Really Shepard? They just killed billions within one year without discriminating. Legion omits information to win Shepards favor and people buy it like idiots. Also it makes you believe Quarians made them join Reapers. In fact Geth were holding every Quarian world for 300 years without even letting themselves be contacted and kills everyone coming close, leaving Quarians no other way to reclaim their world. Geth had several days to figure something out but it doesn't look like they even tried to find an alternetive before joining Reapers. I am so glad there is no way to save Legion. And I make sure rest of its buddies join it by the end.

Yeah, the Geth did just kill billions. Because the Quarians were trying to exterminate them. 

The Geth were young, and naive. They really had no idea what they were doing, and Legion states this. They were acting on instinct. The Geth realized they were going overboard and stopped. At that point though, they believed (correctly, for the most part) that the galaxy was full of hostile organics that they didn't understand that wanted to kill them. That's why they were so insular. 

The Quarians did the exact same in killing billions of Geth. What makes that ok? The Geth retaliated. It literally was kill or be killed.

As for the Reapers, the Geth really had no choice. Outside a few organics, do you really think any civilization is going to care about the Geth? Organics are typically predisposed to fear and hate them on instinct.

Everything I ever heard about the Geth from the Quarians seemed rather skewered, due to the fact that the Quarians believed intelligent machines = hostile intelligence hellbent on killing them. 

That's a croc of ****, and I call the Suit Bug out on it when she mentions it in ME1. The only Quarians that really seem to understand that it pretty much was all the Quarians fault was Koris, possibly the Bug, and possibly Kal'Reegar. 

The Geth are open to peace, provided no one tries to kill them. Thus far, that hasn't been the case. The Quarians are the ones perpetuating this war. They're the ones who caused the Geth to go into the Reapers arms by attacking needlessly. They're the ones who are constantly trying to kill the Geth. They're the ones who started this whole problem.

So you know what? The Quarians lost billions to the Geth. In my opinion, they were facing the fate that they built for themselves. And if I didn't need their fleet against the Reapers, I'd leave them to be ripped apart by the Geth with joy in my eyes. 

Sometimes, the absolute psychopath in me even wish Shepard would smash Tali's mask in and watch her die a slow, painful death as she succumbs to infection.

Are you all Geth lovers act like Hitler's people? I just lost all respect for you...

[Steelcan]

It is still stupidity no matter which way you slice it.

It is curious, you don't begrudge the geth's decisions to join the Reapers for survival, yet the quarians attacked Rannoch for the same reason.

[Soldier096]

@MassivelyEffective0730
"Here's a question? Why did Legion have to portray the Geth killing anybody?" So i know I'm getting the truth instead of one-sided imagery that was prevalent in the entire mission. 

Was it not irrational for the Geth to kill anyone that came near them?  All attempts of diplomacy were shot down. They were well fully developed by then. They spied on organics and gathered information from them. They were well informed. They still did nothing. Not even a communication attempt. Then they allowed the Heretics and Sovereign attack humans. They didn't even send a warning. Yet they complain that organics do not understand them. 

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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Ask yourself this about the quarians attacking the geth in the Morning War. What would the Council have done if they got involved? The group that sterilized the krogan, wiped out the Rachni, bombed Shanxi to the stone age for breaking laws they did not know about. What would they have done had they known about the geth? They don't take kindly to AI's

I think they knew about the Geth. It'd be pretty hard to hide all the platforms out doing menial labor. What the Council didn't know that the Geth were AI. They were thought to be mindless drones.

.  And as soon as the quarians found out otherwise they tried to shut them down.  Which if they had not done so would have given the council cause to interfere.

Probably. And they'd have probably attacked.

And they'd have been wrong about it.

Organics really do have a problem when it comes to synthetics. Perpetually in fear that they will always try to kill us or rise up against us. Perhaps that's true for some, but the Geth never demonstrated such. I think we're safe with them, provided we don't act like incredible idiots.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Bioware missed several golden opportunities.

For example, The Rannoch Reaper -- if they really wanted to show the reapers had consciousness the last words out of that reaper before it died should have been "You humans are all racists." Welcome, the Batarian reaper.

Yeah, the Quarians are the Gypsies, and everyone hates the Gypsies. They live in these insular communities. They have these funny accents. They got thrown in concentration camps. (oh sorry about that). They made a mistake 300 years ago. They want a world to colonize, so they're not a burden on the galaxy. But no one will help them because they've got no credit. So now they want their home world, and the Geth hold it.

You know what? MassivelyEffective0730, just for what you said, I'm going to get the peace option and side with the Quarians and shoot Legion three times, and post it on Youtube, and I'm going to do it with my Paragon just because I've had enough of this synthetics are never wrong crap. Synthetics are never wrong? How about dead.

[Steelcan]

Organics did leave the geth alone for three centuries, and the geth responded by letting loose their radical brethren without so much as a warning. They were left alone and the heretics sprang up.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

J. Reezy wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

>implying I care about the geth

[Steelcan]

How about the part where the geth killed even peaceful envoys?

[Ryzaki]

Steelcan wrote...

Jesus Fiendish, I wonder if you hate the quarians more than I hate asari.

I hate both personally.

Nothing like being utterly devoid of innovation and being massive hypocrites on top of that.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Ah, Hitler.

You know everyone's being rational when the Hitler card gets played.

[Soldier096]

 I'm really starting to hate the Geth at this point.  I'm going to change my Geth avatar now. 

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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Soldier096 wrote...



@MassivelyEffective0730
"Here's a question? Why did Legion have to portray the Geth killing anybody?" So i know I'm getting the truth instead of one-sided imagery that was prevalent in the entire mission. 

Was it not irrational for the Geth to kill anyone that came near them? They did kill anyone that got near them. All attempts of diplomacy were shot down. The were well fully developed by then. They spied on organics and gathered information from them. They were well informed. They still did nothing. Not even a communication attempt. Then they allowed the Heretics and Soverign attack humans. They didn't even send a warning. Yet they complain that organics do not understand them. 

It was irrational. But there's a reason for it. They know that organics are hostile, from experience. The organics don't try to understand them a lot of times. They are rather cynical about organic life. They are rather cynical about the prospect for peace. They're open to it, but believe that we aren't. And really, we aren't. 

I'm not surprised that they didn't try communicating with organics. What would have been the point? They've learned not to trust us. They've learned to become very insular and very defensive. 

They're not going to try to make peace. They're greatly apathetic to what goes on in the lives of organics. Sure, they're curious about us, but at the same time, they don't want us to get involved with them because they believe we're out to get them.

And in that side mission, I'll ask again: I know the Quarian perspective. Why do I need to see it visualized in front of me? It's not going to change my opinion of the war. I know what the Geth did to the Quarians, and to be frank, I don't care.