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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

It is still stupidity no matter which way you slice it.

It is curious, you don't begrudge the geth's decisions to join the Reapers for survival, yet the quarians attacked Rannoch for the same reason.

Because the Quarians had more options open to them? Because they could have waited a few days or weeks for me to go to Rannoch and sort things out with Legion and the Geth? Because they blew valuable war material (from both sides) to fight their war? 

The Geth have more than likely assimilated Legions experience into the Geth overall. With his experiences, I'm sure Shepard and the Normandy would be allowed to come and make arrangements for the Quarians to peacefully return to Rannoch. The Geth were preparing their own forces for war with the Reapers.

[Steelcan]

Everyday the quarians stay in their fleet is a gamble with their entire species on the line. The geth have NEVER been open to letting ships past the Perseus Veil, regardless of intentions.

The geth cut off communications completely, before the quarians attacked, Tali was speaking with Legion, until Legion cut it off, then Tali argued against an invasion, and remind me, who do you want to watch die slowly?  The quarian who fought for peace, even after the geth stopped?

Modifié par Steelcan, 09 juin 2013 - 06:36 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Jesus Fiendish, I wonder if you hate the quarians more than I hate asari.

No, but I do think that collectively, they have the highest percentage of mental invalids and closed-mindedness of any other race.

I think you forgot to look at your own race. Human.

Probably. We have a great number of them.

A population though in the multi-billions is likely to have more variance though than 17 million Quarians.

[Soldier096]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Soldier096 wrote...



@MassivelyEffective0730
"Here's a question? Why did Legion have to portray the Geth killing anybody?" So i know I'm getting the truth instead of one-sided imagery that was prevalent in the entire mission. 

Was it not irrational for the Geth to kill anyone that came near them? They did kill anyone that got near them. All attempts of diplomacy were shot down. The were well fully developed by then. They spied on organics and gathered information from them. They were well informed. They still did nothing. Not even a communication attempt. Then they allowed the Heretics and Soverign attack humans. They didn't even send a warning. Yet they complain that organics do not understand them. 

It was irrational. But there's a reason for it. They know that organics are hostile, from experience. The organics don't try to understand them a lot of times. They are rather cynical about organic life. They are rather cynical about the prospect for peace. They're open to it, but believe that we aren't. And really, we aren't. 

I'm not surprised that they didn't try communicating with organics. What would have been the point? They've learned not to trust us. They've learned to become very insular and very defensive. 

They're not going to try to make peace. They're greatly apathetic to what goes on in the lives of organics. Sure, they're curious about us, but at the same time, they don't want us to get involved with them because they believe we're out to get them.

And in that side mission, I'll ask again: I know the Quarian perspective. Why do I need to see it visualized in front of me? It's not going to change my opinion of the war. I know what the Geth did to the Quarians, and to be frank, I don't care.

I find you reasoning to be very hypocritical. You sound like a certain Wulf. Geth can appearantly do no wrong. They are the innocent little children that can do whatever they want without any consequences. I starting to hate the Geth now because of your recent statements. 

Modifié par Soldier096, 09 juin 2013 - 06:44 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

Everyday the quarians stay in their fleet is a gamble with their entire species on the line. The geth have NEVER been open to letting ships past the Perseus Veil, regardless of intentions.

Do they have Legion's experience uploaded to them? Do they know about Commander Shepard? Can't the Normandy just fly in stealthily anyway? 

The answer is yes for all of those. 

As for the Quarians, I'm sure it's not everyday. I really don't think they'd have lasted for 300 years if every single day was a bitter fight for survival.

They can wait a few more days or weeks while I go make peace.

[Dextro Milk]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Probably. We have a great number of them.

A population though in the multi-billions is likely to have more variance though than 17 million Quarians.

Funny, I think you are a more a blight to the human race than any quarian I met through all three games.

[Dunabar]

*Lays his ADAS anti-synthetic rifle across his lap and chews gum*

I'm chewing on my last stick of gum.

But um, Is this topic really going to fall into another Quarian-Geth debate? I mean I got no problems with speaking in defense of the Quarian people and all. But, shouldn't we as supporters of the two sides be respectful enough to the OP and take it elsewhere?

[Steelcan]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Everyday the quarians stay in their fleet is a gamble with their entire species on the line. The geth have NEVER been open to letting ships past the Perseus Veil, regardless of intentions.

Do they have Legion's experience uploaded to them? Do they know about Commander Shepard? Can't the Normandy just fly in stealthily anyway? 

The answer is yes for all of those. 

As for the Quarians, I'm sure it's not everyday. I really don't think they'd have lasted for 300 years if every[/i][/b][b] single day[i] was a bitter fight for survival.

They can wait a few more days or weeks while I go make peace.

. With the Reapers it surely is, one Reaper blocking a relay could destroy their entire species.

[Dextro Milk]

tickle267 wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Probably. We have a great number of them.

A population though in the multi-billions is likely to have more variance though than 17 million Quarians.

Funny, I think you are a more a blight to the human race than any quarian I met through all three games.

that's not very nice.

Neither is this:

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote... "Sometimes, the absolute psychopath in me even wish Shepard would smash Tali's mask in and watch her die a slow, painful death as she succumbs to infection."

[Steelcan]

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Probably. We have a great number of them.

A population though in the multi-billions is likely to have more variance though than 17 million Quarians.

Funny, I think you are a more a blight to the human race than any quarian I met through all three games.

There is no call for ad-hominems

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Soldier096 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Soldier096 wrote...



@MassivelyEffective0730
"Here's a question? Why did Legion have to portray the Geth killing anybody?" So i know I'm getting the truth instead of one-sided imagery that was prevalent in the entire mission. 

Was it not irrational for the Geth to kill anyone that came near them? They did kill anyone that got near them. All attempts of diplomacy were shot down. The were well fully developed by then. They spied on organics and gathered information from them. They were well informed. They still did nothing. Not even a communication attempt. Then they allowed the Heretics and Soverign attack humans. They didn't even send a warning. Yet they complain that organics do not understand them. 

It was irrational. But there's a reason for it. They know that organics are hostile, from experience. The organics don't try to understand them a lot of times. They are rather cynical about organic life. They are rather cynical about the prospect for peace. They're open to it, but believe that we aren't. And really, we aren't. 

I'm not surprised that they didn't try communicating with organics. What would have been the point? They've learned not to trust us. They've learned to become very insular and very defensive. 

They're not going to try to make peace. They're greatly apathetic to what goes on in the lives of organics. Sure, they're curious about us, but at the same time, they don't want us to get involved with them because they believe we're out to get them.

And in that side mission, I'll ask again: I know the Quarian perspective. Why do I need to see it visualized in front of me? It's not going to change my opinion of the war. I know what the Geth did to the Quarians, and to be frank, I don't care.

I find you reasoning to be very hypocrytical. You sound like a certain Wulf. Geth can appearantly do no wrong. They are the innocent little children that can do whatever they want without any consequences. 

I never said that at all. In fact, I'm quite resentful of you comparing me to him.

Have I insulted you personally? Have I called you a luddite or genocide fetishist? Have I even started spouting how all synthetics have all the answers? 

The answer is no to all of those.

No, I don't believe the Geth (or any synthetic) are scot-free to do whatever they want. I'm not a synthetic apologist telling us to embrace synthesis.

I'll be honest though. Looking at everything that's happened to the Geth and Quarians, and analyzing their nature and their cultures, I've come to the conclusion that the Quarians are to blame for the entire mess. A bit of my own personal nature, that of a somewhat detached and somewhat sociopathic to an extent mindset also comes into play.

If the Geth were the ones responsible, I'd feel the same about them. 

The Quarians tried to exterminate the Geth. The Geth then proceeded to attack the Quarians and annihilate them. The Geth weren't very smart. They weren't very advanced yet. To them, the only way to ensure their own safety was to completely eliminate the threat. Was it right? No. Was it justified? Depends on who you ask. But I do understand how and why things came to be.

[Dextro Milk]

J. Reezy wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Probably. We have a great number of them.

A population though in the multi-billions is likely to have more variance though than 17 million Quarians.

Funny, I think you are a more a blight to the human race than any quarian I met through all three games.

that's not very nice.

Neither is this:

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote... "Sometimes, the absolute psychopath in me even wish Shepard would smash Tali's mask in and watch her die a slow, painful death as she succumbs to infection."

Getting a little too defensive of a virtual character there then.

So as long as I insult virtual characters only, it's okay?

Ah, well I hope Miranda's buckteeth are smashed in from a reaper brute. You know, those teeth always bugged me.

[Ryzaki]

Dextro Milk wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Probably. We have a great number of them.

A population though in the multi-billions is likely to have more variance though than 17 million Quarians.

Funny, I think you are a more a blight to the human race than any quarian I met through all three games.

that's not very nice.

Neither is this:

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote... "Sometimes, the absolute psychopath in me even wish Shepard would smash Tali's mask in and watch her die a slow, painful death as she succumbs to infection."

Getting a little too defensive of a virtual character there then.

So as long as I insult virtual characters only, it's okay?

Ah, well I hope Miranda's buckteeth are smashed in from a reaper brute. You know, those teeth always bugged me.

Yep. They're not real people. You can't hurt them or their feelings.

And I like Miranda and her face scares me at times. Uncanny valley to the fullest.

[Steelcan]

Here is a break down for the quarians situation.

The Reapers have invaded and can destroy there entire species with little difficulty. They need a world to offload civilians so their navy can help the war effort. Rannoch is the only viable choice. Before attacking blindly they go into talks, Tali and Legion discuss the possibility of peace. Legion abruptly cuts it off. The Reaper threat is getting worse. Xen develops a weapon that would ensure quarian victory over the geth. The geth still have not relayed any desire for peace talks. Someone want to point out where the quarians messed up? So far it all seems pretty reasonable to me.

[Dextro Milk]

J. Reezy wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...
So as long as I insult virtual characters only, it's okay?

I said that? News to me.

Nope. I was asking a rhetorical question.

[Dunabar]

Miranda: I'm perfect
Shepard: I don't think your dad paid your dentist enough though.
Miranda: Why do you say that?
Shepard: Those buckteeth is why!

[AresKeith]

Chris (Geth's original writer) is probably rolling his eyes and facepalming right now lol

Modifié par AresKeith, 09 juin 2013 - 06:51 .

[AresKeith]

Steelcan wrote...

Here is a break down for the quarians situation.

The Reapers have invaded and can destroy there entire species with little difficulty. They need a world to offload civilians so their navy can help the war effort. Rannoch is the only viable choice. Before attacking blindly they go into talks, Tali and Legion discuss the possibility of peace. Legion abruptly cuts it off. The Reaper threat is getting worse. Xen develops a weapon that would ensure quarian victory over the geth. The geth still have not relayed any desire for peace talks. Someone want to point out where the quarians messed up? So far it all seems pretty reasonable to me.

Isn't the part where Legion abruptly cuts it is when he gets captured?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Everyday the quarians stay in their fleet is a gamble with their entire species on the line. The geth have NEVER been open to letting ships past the Perseus Veil, regardless of intentions.

Do they have Legion's experience uploaded to them? Do they know about Commander Shepard? Can't the Normandy just fly in stealthily anyway? 

The answer is yes for all of those. 

As for the Quarians, I'm sure it's not everyday. I really don't think they'd have lasted for 300 years if every[/i][/b][b] single day[i] was a bitter fight for survival.

They can wait a few more days or weeks while I go make peace.

. With the Reapers it surely is, one Reaper blocking a relay could destroy their entire species.

One Reaper against 50,000 ships. Awesome odds for the Reaper. 

If they had barely enough resources to sustain their fleet and population for a single day, then the Reapers aren't even necessary at all. All they have to do is put the noose around the neck for 24 hours.

And if that is the case, going to war is the absolutely stupidest thing they can do. Do you know how much resources it takes to fight a war? You know me Steelcan. You know that I'm an officer, and even I don't know how much it takes. But the answer is a lot. A ****ton. War is expensive as hell.

Critical resources needed to sustain the livlihood of the fleet for the day are going to be stretched very fast in a prolonged engagement with the Geth. And it's going to take time to cultivate new resources from Rannoch. The fleet only has one day of resources as you say right? How are they going to last?

Versus holding out for a few more days and weeks with the more likely and realistic figure of having a few months, maybe even a few years of resources, while I get **** sorted out with the Geth. Then they can return to Rannoch, with no war, and a fully intact fleet from both the Quarians and the Geth.

[Steelcan]

AresKeith wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Here is a break down for the quarians situation.

The Reapers have invaded and can destroy there entire species with little difficulty. They need a world to offload civilians so their navy can help the war effort. Rannoch is the only viable choice. Before attacking blindly they go into talks, Tali and Legion discuss the possibility of peace. Legion abruptly cuts it off. The Reaper threat is getting worse. Xen develops a weapon that would ensure quarian victory over the geth. The geth still have not relayed any desire for peace talks. Someone want to point out where the quarians messed up? So far it all seems pretty reasonable to me.

Isn't the part where Legion abruptly cuts it is when he gets captured?

.  The geth dont deal with the Reaper until afterr the attack, so unless the geth turned on him for offering peace talks with the quarians......