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[KENNY4753]

ummm no...I would go into detail but Im just leaving this simple

[AlanC9]

jtav wrote...

Alan, more or less. Mostly I just want to know if it's their honor intact or the survival of themselves and their loved ones they value more highly.

Looks like you're getting answers, then. Plus a few folks like Ticonderoga117 who don't want to play. Not sure how to score iakus' reply.

[Cyrax86]

So kill a lot allies or innocents who are helping me fight an unstoppable evil force, or kill less of one of my enemies who have been my enemies for almost 3 games and enemy to the rest of the galaxy for hundreds of years, Also they decided to turn willingly against everyone else and join the unstoppable evil force just to buy themselves more time, even though it ment attacking me. my allies and innocent people.


So kill my allies? or destroy my enemies and the unstoppable evil force?. Can anyone with common sense powers help me with this problem.

[AlanC9]

Amazing how much less popular the geth are on this board than with players in general.

[Bill Casey]

Most of the Destroyers who gave a **** about the Geth must have left the forums...
I don't blame them; the ending is offensive...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 08 juin 2013 - 03:10 .

[DeinonSlayer]

AlanC9 wrote...

Amazing how much less popular the geth are on this board than with players in general.

It's to be expected in a thread such as this. Though, I have to wonder what the balance would be if pure-paragons and pure-renegades were removed from the equation.

[IceHawk-181]

Replacing one Faustian bargain with another proves little in truth.

Sacrificing the military forces of the Victory Fleet is a non-issue.
They are the voluntary soldiers of an impossible war who are fighting, not for their own survival, but for the survival of the rest of the galaxy. Likewise, Shepard and the Normandy crew are equally expendable. While my ME2-Shep did as much as possible to ensure maximal survivability in the Suicide Mission, he was still willing and able to sacrifice the crew if it meant stopping the Collectors.

The real issue here is twofold; Humanity & the Quarians.
Humanity is seriously in trouble at this point; with the parliament destroyed, Alliance HQ effectively reduced to Admirals Hackett and Anderson (minus one Anderson), and my bullet lodged in Udina's skull there are little in the way of true leaders left.

Personally, I think Admiral Hackett needs to survive in order to restore humanity to a position of influence and viability as a galactic power, something all of my Commanders were concerned with.

Secondarily, the Quarian Armada within the Victory Fleet.
According to the final EMS count the entire Armada is an active belligerent in the final push. While I assume most civilians are staying behind on Rannoch, I can only assume that the vast majority of the young population is manning those vessels.

The destruction of the Victory Fleet, even a significant portion of it, that takes most of the Quarian Armada with it will perhaps be the final devastating blow that drops the paltry diaspora of 17-million to a number underneath that which can reasonably repopulate Rannoch.

If I could reasonably assume that the Qurian population will be able to rebuild and that humanity will not be left rudderless and without leadership (and that the destruction of alien allies is not cause for an immediate galactic break and new tensions leading to war) then sure, I would take this option.

Shepard is there to end the Reapers with as few civilian casualties as possible.

After Rannoch the Geth are no different than any other form of life in the galaxy and might actually be the key to rebuilding in the aftermath of the invasion.

Modifié par IceHawk-181, 08 juin 2013 - 03:28 .

[dreamgazer]

Not willing to sacrifice 1/10 of our collective allied forces within a certain radius =/= not "caring" about the geth.

[shodiswe]

I'm not a destroyer, so I guess the question isn't directed at me

[Aarch_Aangel]

I'd stick to Destroy as is. The quarians can 'invent' the geth again, if they're inclined to do so. And hey, if they screw it up like they did before, we have more geth to fight in ME4 (if it were to be a sequel).

[AlanC9]

IceHawk-181 wrote...
According to the final EMS count the entire Armada is an active belligerent in the final push. While I assume most civilians are staying behind on Rannoch, I can only assume that the vast majority of the young population is manning those vessels.

The destruction of the Victory Fleet, even a significant portion of it, that takes most of the Quarian Armada with it will perhaps be the final devastating blow that drops the paltry diaspora of 17-million to a number underneath that which can reasonably repopulate Rannoch.

If I could reasonably assume that the Qurian population will be able to rebuild and that humanity will not be left rudderless and without leadership (and that the destruction of alien allies is not cause for an immediate galactic break and new tensions leading to war) then sure, I would take this option.

You can stop worrying about the quarians. An Alliance cruiser only has a crew of 300. There's no way that even one million crew were necessary to crew the quarian fleet, let alone 17 million.

[Asharad Hett]

OP, no.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Hadeedak wrote...

Me? I'd keep controllin', rollin', rollin'.

A smart one.

[IceHawk-181]

Your average Quarian crew size would be 340.

However, the entire Quarian Armada including the Heavy, Patrol, and Civilian fleets are belligerents and launching with the Victory Fleet just as they did in the assault on Rannoch.

How much of the overall population will be present is anyone's guess; then again all 17-million were present at Rannoch and all three fleets are engaged at Earth.

[Steelcan]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I wouldn't be willing to sacrifice anything to save what I already chose to kill off half the game ago, no.

[DeinonSlayer]

IceHawk-181 wrote...

Your average Quarian crew size would be 340.

However, the entire Quarian Armada including the Heavy, Patrol, and Civilian fleets are belligerents and launching with the Victory Fleet just as they did in the assault on Rannoch.

How much of the overall population will be present is anyone's guess; then again all 17-million were present at Rannoch and all three fleets are engaged at Earth.

The Idenna is a former Batarian cruiser. It's designed for a crew of 80, later operated by a skeleton crew of 50. 693 Quarians originally called it home, living in metal cubicles in the cargo bay.

These civilians would have to be moved out of the cargo bay for it to be used to actually transport cargo for the war effort  (the fact that there would only be escape pods for 80 of those 700 in the event of an emergency or an attack is another strong incentive to get some dirt underfoot). Hence the attempt to retake Rannoch and offload them there. It's a safe bet the fleet going to Earth is a small (though still not insignificant) percentage of their remaining population. Call it 7% or less.

I read somewhere that they've done studies saying a civilization will collapse if it loses 20% of its population in, say, a pandemic. The Quarians held it together after losing 99% of theirs, so Bioware evidently didn't read the same studies.


Bottom line, losing that many people in this revised Destroy scenario would hurt them, potentially very badly, but unlike the betrayal which can potentially take place earlier, it wouldn't be the end of the species.

[The Heretic of Time]

That's kind of a pointless question OP since the geth already got exterminated on Rannoch, with the courtesy of commander Shepard of course.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 08 juin 2013 - 05:16 .

[Ryzaki]

@OP: Uh...no?

Stupid sacrifice still ends up stupid.

[The Heretic of Time]

Bill Casey wrote...

Most of the Destroyers who gave a **** about the Geth must have left the forums...
I don't blame them; the ending is offensive...

[Steelcan]

@Deinon, someone forgot to tell Western Europe about that sometime in the 1100's

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Alan, more or less. Mostly I just want to know if it's their honor intact or the survival of themselves and their loved ones they value more highly.

Looks like you're getting answers, then. Plus a few folks like Ticonderoga117 who don't want to play. Not sure how to score iakus' reply.

Kill allies

or

Kill allies

Descisions, descisions...

[XI BlackHawx IX]

Then ME4 with Legion Prime as the main character