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Ryzaki wrote...

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Well I play on PC as well and I am fine with the real thing. A bunch of re-used cut-scenes and audio tracks is not my thing. But glad you like it. It'll be fine till they make a sequal or something. ^_^


You say that as if a sequel could reconcile control/destory/synthesis without either making all ends lead to the same thing or retconning one of the decisions anyway. If they decide to follow the ending of ME3 everything either ends up a homogenous blob due to restricted resources (which...yay?) or they choose a canon and stick with it.

iakus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And luckily
for me HC is king and I play on PC so MEHEM works just fine ;) might be
fanfic but it's better than the garbage that's the original.


::fistbump::

Also MEHEM doesnt' have a "destroyed Rannoch" slide for siding with the geth [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]


:o yay!


Why?

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Ryzaki wrote...

You say that as if a sequel could reconcile control/destory/synthesis without either making all ends lead to the same thing or retconning one of the decisions anyway. If they decide to follow the ending of ME3 everything either ends up a homogenous blob due to restricted resources (which...yay?) or they choose a canon and stick with it.

iakus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And luckily
for me HC is king and I play on PC so MEHEM works just fine ;) might be
fanfic but it's better than the garbage that's the original.


::fistbump::

Also MEHEM doesnt' have a "destroyed Rannoch" slide for siding with the geth [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]


:o yay!


Indeed :)

Part of the initiative to create more original content for MEHEM included several new slides.  Including those for players who sided with the geth or brokered a peace between them and the quarians.

Screw this whole "you're not allowed to have a good ending"

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Why?


Because the whole "geth can only be seen with reapers or being syntheized hivemindborgs (yeah don't care how accurate that is)." made me roll my eyes.

Would it have been so difficult to have a Geth and Quarian slide in control? But naaaah they gotta be with the Reapers. Like attracts like after all!

iakus wrote...

Indeed [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Part
of the initiative to create more original content for MEHEM included
several new slides.  Including those for players who sided with the geth
or brokered a peace between them and the quarians.

Screw this whole "you're not allowed to have a good ending"


On this we can agree Iakus. :) 

It's not even like I mind
sad endings...but ME3's sad ending is just...so bad and put in for the
sake of being sad that it feels stupid and ridculous.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 juin 2013 - 07:14 .


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Ryzaki wrote...

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Why?


Because the whole "geth can only be seen with reapers or being syntheized hivemindborgs (yeah don't care how accurate that is)." made me roll my eyes.

Would it have been so difficult to have a Geth and Quarian slide in control? But naaaah they gotta be with the Reapers. Like attracts like after all!


Can only imagine how Chris l'Etoile felt when they did that

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I imagine Chris was more annoyed at the total derailment of the geth during Rannoch.

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Ryzaki wrote...

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Well I play on PC as well and I am fine with the real thing. A bunch of re-used cut-scenes and audio tracks is not my thing. But glad you like it. It'll be fine till they make a sequal or something. ^_^


You say that as if a sequel could reconcile control/destory/synthesis without either making all ends lead to the same thing or retconning one of the decisions anyway. If they decide to follow the ending of ME3 everything either ends up a homogenous blob due to restricted resources (which...yay?) or they choose a canon and stick with it.

I know. That would suck for many people. If they ever make a sequal they'll either put it pretty far in the future or canonize the Destroy ending as it is by far the most popular.

iakus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And luckily
for me HC is king and I play on PC so MEHEM works just fine ;) might be
fanfic but it's better than the garbage that's the original.


::fistbump::

Also MEHEM doesnt' have a "destroyed Rannoch" slide for siding with the geth [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]


:o yay!

Too bad it's just head-canon. I respect the creater of the mod for his effort and skill. But still it's head-canon.

Modifié par S.A.K, 08 juin 2013 - 07:17 .


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I know. That would suck for many people. If they ever make a sequal they'll either put it pretty far in the future or canonize the Destroy ending as it is by far the most popular.


It's almost assured they'll canonize an ending and choices. And I can't wait to read BSN on that day

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Morocco Mole wrote...

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I know. That would suck for many people. If they ever make a sequal they'll either put it pretty far in the future or canonize the Destroy ending as it is by far the most popular.


It's almost assured they'll canonize an ending and choices. And I can't wait to read BSN on that day


Especially if it's synthesis.

*gets popcorn*

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Ryzaki wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

S.A.K wrote...
I know. That would suck for many people. If they ever make a sequal they'll either put it pretty far in the future or canonize the Destroy ending as it is by far the most popular.


It's almost assured they'll canonize an ending and choices. And I can't wait to read BSN on that day


Especially if it's synthesis.

*gets popcorn*

Lololol. The nerd rage would be registed on the richter scale as a 8.0. And BW will have to extended cut the beginning on the game

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If you let the geth or quarians die, you are a failure, plain and simple. Your Shepard ends up looking like Gorman from Aliens.

"I dunno wat to say, I mean, all I gotta do is opan my mouth, but i cawnt dew it..."

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I think its implied that if the Geth surrendered, the Quartians would simply destroy them.  The Quarians didn't want to regain control of the Geth, they wanted to destroy the Geth AI.

I doubt that. If the Geth offered the Quarians a chance to return home in exchange for peace, they would have accepted it imo. They wanted their world back and didn't really have a peaceful way to do so. Besides many Quarians including some admirals don't even want a war. I don't see why they wouldn't accept a peaceful way if they had one. Even Garrel holds fire when Shepard explains the situation.

That couldn't be worse than becoming Reaper slaves and helping them destroy everything.

 

There are still too many Quarians who wish to either completely destroy or completely enslave the Geth.  For instance...



In any event, the fact that the Quarians are attacking means the more aggressive anti-Geth factions have control. They are the ones who most want to destroy all Geth.  Those behind Admiral Xen want to re-enslave the Geth. The Quarians want lots of things and most of those things aren't very good for the Geth.  It is perhaps only the events on Rannoch in ME3, if you were able to broker a first peace, that could finally lead to a signifigant number of Quarians to reconsider their relationship with the Geth and move forward in co-operation.

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Ryzaki wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

S.A.K wrote...
I know. That would suck for many people. If they ever make a sequal they'll either put it pretty far in the future or canonize the Destroy ending as it is by far the most popular.


It's almost assured they'll canonize an ending and choices. And I can't wait to read BSN on that day


Especially if it's synthesis.

*gets popcorn*

.  Don't joke like that :(

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hpjay wrote...

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hpjay wrote...
I think its implied that if the Geth surrendered, the Quartians would simply destroy them.  The Quarians didn't want to regain control of the Geth, they wanted to destroy the Geth AI.

I doubt that. If the Geth offered the Quarians a chance to return home in exchange for peace, they would have accepted it imo. They wanted their world back and didn't really have a peaceful way to do so. Besides many Quarians including some admirals don't even want a war. I don't see why they wouldn't accept a peaceful way if they had one. Even Garrel holds fire when Shepard explains the situation.

That couldn't be worse than becoming Reaper slaves and helping them destroy everything.

 

There are still too many Quarians who wish to either completely destroy or completely enslave the Geth.  For instance...



In any event, the fact that the Quarians are attacking means the more aggressive anti-Geth factions have control. They are the ones who most want to destroy all Geth.  Those behind Admiral Xen want to re-enslave the Geth. The Quarians want lots of things and most of those things aren't very good for the Geth.  It is perhaps only the events on Rannoch in ME3, if you were able to broker a first peace, that could finally lead to a signifigant number of Quarians to reconsider their relationship with the Geth and move forward in co-operation.


And if you make peace the Geth are actually helping the Quarians

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Ryzaki wrote...

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Why?


Because the whole "geth can only be seen with reapers or being syntheized hivemindborgs (yeah don't care how accurate that is)." made me roll my eyes.

Would it have been so difficult to have a Geth and Quarian slide in control? But naaaah they gotta be with the Reapers. Like attracts like after all!


I get that part. I was merely wondering why you wanted the destroyed Rannoch slide at the end?

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Ravensword wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

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Why?


Because the whole "geth can only be seen with reapers or being syntheized hivemindborgs (yeah don't care how accurate that is)." made me roll my eyes.

Would it have been so difficult to have a Geth and Quarian slide in control? But naaaah they gotta be with the Reapers. Like attracts like after all!


I get that part. I was merely wondering why you wanted the destroyed Rannoch slide at the end?


No I don't want it. MEHEM has a different slide in its stead. :)

@Steelcan: *cackles* You know it to be true! MUWAHAHAHAHAHA

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Can only imagine how Chris l'Etoile felt when they did that


Facepalms all around there ;)

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 juin 2013 - 08:05 .


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Are you serious? Give up my friends, ship and life for a race of machines that prefer Reaper servitude to freedom? No thanks.


That about sum it up.

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136th wrote...

Jukaga wrote...

Are you serious? Give up my friends, ship and life for a race of machines that prefer Reaper servitude to annihilation? No thanks.


That about sum it up.


Fixed that for you...

(lost track of the original convo, sry)

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no, I'd kill the geth for free :D

I've never understood why so many people care about them... yes, legion was an interesting, charismatic and manipulative guy, but every single geth I've met tried to kill/stop me. A lot of talking and regrets but hey, all they've done was supporting the reapers.

I wouldn't trade my pinkie for geths.


It is interesting that somewhere in the first Mass Effect (Maybe in the codex entry) it is stated that all attempts to contact the Geth have failed. So, it's not like the Quarians did NOT try and create peace which makes it harder to sympathise with the Geth.

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Likewise there is no canon statement that the Quarians ever tried to contact the Geth...so that point is kind of specious.

At the end of the day the Geth Consensus only allied itself with the Reapers when it literally considered the action the only difference between life and death.

Considering for a moment that 74% of all players saved the Geth as part of the ending (with fully 36% directly choosing the Geth over the Quarians) I can reasonably argue that most people do not see the Geth as an MEU analogue of the Borg.

Really at the end of the day, if your entire race was faced with the choice between death and the acceptance of a Faustian bargain, what would you do?

I was disappointed that the Consensus chose to ally with the Reapers, but I can understand why they did it and recognize that it was likely the only logical avenue of survival the Geth could reasonably conceive of at the time.

Why are people not chomping at the bit to sacrifice the entire Quarian race for forcing the Geth into this position, or deciding Genocide was Foreign Policy, in the first place?

Oh wait...36% did!

Modifié par IceHawk-181, 09 juin 2013 - 12:55 .


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HELL NO

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hpjay wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

hpjay wrote...
I think its implied that if the Geth surrendered, the Quartians would simply destroy them.  The Quarians didn't want to regain control of the Geth, they wanted to destroy the Geth AI.

I doubt that. If the Geth offered the Quarians a chance to return home in exchange for peace, they would have accepted it imo. They wanted their world back and didn't really have a peaceful way to do so. Besides many Quarians including some admirals don't even want a war. I don't see why they wouldn't accept a peaceful way if they had one. Even Garrel holds fire when Shepard explains the situation.

That couldn't be worse than becoming Reaper slaves and helping them destroy everything.

 

There are still too many Quarians who wish to either completely destroy or completely enslave the Geth.  For instance...



In any event, the fact that the Quarians are attacking means the more aggressive anti-Geth factions have control. They are the ones who most want to destroy all Geth.  Those behind Admiral Xen want to re-enslave the Geth. The Quarians want lots of things and most of those things aren't very good for the Geth.  It is perhaps only the events on Rannoch in ME3, if you were able to broker a first peace, that could finally lead to a signifigant number of Quarians to reconsider their relationship with the Geth and move forward in co-operation.

"far too many" = two people?

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IceHawk-181 wrote...

Likewise there is no canon statement that the Quarians ever tried to contact the Geth...so that point is kind of specious.

At the end of the day the Geth Consensus only allied itself with the Reapers when it literally considered the action the only difference between life and death.

Considering for a moment that 74% of all players saved the Geth as part of the ending (with fully 36% directly choosing the Geth over the Quarians) I can reasonably argue that most people do not see the Geth as an MEU analogue of the Borg.

Really at the end of the day, if your entire race was faced with the choice between death and the acceptance of a Faustian bargain, what would you do?

I was disappointed that the Consensus chose to ally with the Reapers, but I can understand why they did it and recognize that it was likely the only logical avenue of survival the Geth could reasonably conceive of at the time.

Why are people not chomping at the bit to sacrifice the entire Quarian race for forcing the Geth into this position, or deciding Genocide was Foreign Policy, in the first place?

Oh wait...36% did!


I don't think you are understanding the situation. It is far more insidious. It goes into the human psyche.

The Quarians are the galaxy's faceless homeless population that everyone wishes would just disappear. You see them hanging around on pilgrimages not having real jobs. They're scavengers. They're dumpster divers. "Will work for food." They don't pay taxes. They're the roaming homeless encampment that no one wants near them. They strip mine asteroids and planets out of necessity and do so quickly. They don't keep prisoners but dump them on other worlds that have prisons. Being faceless it's easy to dislike them.

Tali can't even give a face to the Quarians because we know it's a crappy photoshop job. Bioware wouldn't even give them faces in the Geth Consensus mission. They were in their environment suits before the Morning War! Why? Because it might make one have some kind of rapport it they had faces. They had to remain the faceless ones.

Because one never sees the faces of the Quarians one never really likes or understands them or treats them as equals, but one just pitys them instead, and that can negatively affect the situation.

Legion is even more expressive than Tali because Legion has those plates that move. He has a face and gives a face to the Geth. The Geth are never pitied. They are seen as acting in self-defense. The Quarians are seen as either acting out of desperation or aggression -- both have negative associations.

Do you see, now? (Self-defense + faces) vs. (faceless + desperation)

Self-defense + faces has a much more positive spin.

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IceHawk-181 wrote...

Likewise there is no canon statement that the Quarians ever tried to contact the Geth...so that point is kind of specious.

At the end of the day the Geth Consensus only allied itself with the Reapers when it literally considered the action the only difference between life and death.

Considering for a moment that 74% of all players saved the Geth as part of the ending (with fully 36% directly choosing the Geth over the Quarians) I can reasonably argue that most people do not see the Geth as an MEU analogue of the Borg.

Really at the end of the day, if your entire race was faced with the choice between death and the acceptance of a Faustian bargain, what would you do?

I was disappointed that the Consensus chose to ally with the Reapers, but I can understand why they did it and recognize that it was likely the only logical avenue of survival the Geth could reasonably conceive of at the time.

Why are people not chomping at the bit to sacrifice the entire Quarian race for forcing the Geth into this position, or deciding Genocide was Foreign Policy, in the first place?

Oh wait...36% did!

Those statsistics aren't something that you can really base your argument off of. 64% of players didn't have Wrex but only 8% did not cure the genophage. So people generally believe that curing the genophage under Wreav is a good idea. I personally know people who saved the Geth just because they were 'cooler'. Also pretty much every poll here about this issue has the majority choosing the Quarians over the Geth. The Hardcore fans vs the casual players. I like the Geth but siding with the reapers was the worst decision they could have possibly made. It didn't ensure their survival. All it did was give the reapers another weapon the the Galaxy already fears. The reapers would have destroyed them when the war was over. If I couldn't make peace I would destroy the Geth with no regrets. Siding with the enemy is not something that should be rewarded. 

Modifié par Soldier096, 09 juin 2013 - 02:08 .


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Why would anyone ever do that -_- you only sacrifice quarians for synthetics nothing else duuuuuh

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As far as the numbers go, considering that we may have a few hundred people respond to a poll versus the millions who have played the game, citing that the majority here may or may not reach consensus is akin to asking a small town in upstate New York who the President should be...

Personally, I always treated the Quarians as equals and my Shepard went out of his way to help each one who deserved it or were unfairly being persectued.

At the same time I still hold them accountable for what they did to the Geth and what they continue to do to the Geth...I save both the Quarians and the Geth because I refuse to hold the entire population responsible for the actions of their leaders and because I understand the Geth POV.

Also, the Geth Consensus only turns to the Reaper because the only other choice is immediate annihilation.

Go ask Sitting Bull about Faustian Bargains.
He hated what his people became but he sure as hell made the choice when he was pressed. So did the Geth.

I cannot fault them for responding to an impossible situation in the same manner that other extant peoples did throughout history.

Modifié par IceHawk-181, 09 juin 2013 - 01:57 .