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[Faust1979]

In the first game one of them killed a whole family in the second game there is no telling how many innocent lives they killed when they sacked the city. No telling how many men, woman and child civilians were harmed. Should they be wiped out?

[TheBlackAdder13]

That's racist.

[Faust1979]

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

That's racist.

How is it racist? I'm just going by what the game shows me, they haven't shown a Quanari that wasn't a cold blooded murderer they were also willing to kill anyone that wasn't going to bow down to them

Modifié par Faust1979, 08 juin 2013 - 08:59 .

[TheBlackAdder13]

How is it racist? I'm just going by what the game shows me, they haven't shown a Quanari that wasn't a cold blooded murderer

It was a joke.  

On a more serious note, I think it probably has more to do with the warrior caste.

Both Sten and the Arishok freak out to what are essentially pressures of being in an alien culture in a time where something that defined them in relation to the Qun was missing, leading to massacres. The Qun doesn't exactly emphasize cross-caste training. The warriors are trained to fight and that's the only way they know how to respond to crisis. Put them in a culture that's not as neat and orderly as Qunari culture, they have no way to respond except with the sword. 

The arishok himself says he's not equipped to explain the Qun without his two counterparts, he merely enforces the Qun through the sword. In other words, he follows a written set of strict laws without any sort of judicial or introspective interpertation because he's isolated from the Qunari who have that job. 

Contrast that to Tallis, a Ben-Hasserath, who is able to reason her internal issues with the Qun rather than killing everyone in her way to find the "gem."

Modifié par TheBlackAdder13, 08 juin 2013 - 09:02 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Elves, dwarves and and humans have killed many families and/or sacked many cities. Should they be wiped out?

Also unlike the Second Qunari Invasion of Kirkwall, Sten's murder of the families doesn't appear to have any justification in the Qun. He seemed to just kill them at random. I get the impression from his reaction that other Qunari would have been horrified at what he did as well.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 08 juin 2013 - 09:13 .

[NoForgiveness]

I think the ones with horns just have so much more rage in their nature. but I don't think savage is the right word at all seeing as their society is the most prosperous that we know of.

[AtreiyaN7]

Sten's rampage was essentially a temporary fit of insanity/panic brought about by losing his sword. He was not in his right mind when it happened. Furthermore, Sten held himself morally accountable for his actions once he came to his senses and was clearly remorseful about it. This contradicts everything that you are asserting as far as I'm concerned.

I don't particularly like the Qun philosophy or the social structure of the qunari. However, it's clear to me that they are NOT cold-blooded murderers and/or savages.

[Melca36]

Faust1979 wrote...

In the first game one of them killed a whole family in the second game there is no telling how many innocent lives they killed when they sacked the city. No telling how many men, woman and child civilians were harmed. Should they be wiped out?

They have the right to do what they want as long as they dont try to invade.

[Faust1979]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Elves, dwarves and and humans have killed many families and/or sacked many cities. Should they be wiped out?

Also Sten's murder of the families doesn't appear to have any justification in the Qun. He seemed to just kill them at random.

they mostly do get held accountable for their crimes. Bu that Qunari seem mostly about war and violence and can't interact well with other species I see them as more dangerous than other races until stories in the Dragon Age games show me other wise

[dekkerd]

They are no worse than the chantry. Both are quite willing to convert with the sword. You can argue the freedom allowed within each system, but both require you to believe.

Using stens story from DA:O really doesn't work though. As mentioned above, even he admits it was unjustified.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Faust1979 wrote...

In the first game one of them killed a whole family in the second game there is no telling how many innocent lives they killed when they sacked the city. No telling how many men, woman and child civilians were harmed. Should they be wiped out?

if you want to solve entire problem so kill all or most of all Tamassarants, and burn or give to Issabella(so to Tevinter) Tome of Koslun,,,and wait few months/years

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 08 juin 2013 - 09:44 .

[Kalas Magnus]

And the humans aren't?

[Swoopdogg]

 Well, the Qunari isn't a race, it's more of a totilatarian government sort of thing. The Qun seeks order, and Kirkwall was the opposite of order. Their solution is to kill everyone. If no one's around to cause disorder, then there's order!

What I'd like to see is a (whatever the word is for the actual race of the Qunari) companion/ character that has his/her own personality and isn't the same old. "Yes. No." Deep, monotone voice. "The Qun demands it." sort of thing. We sort of saw this with the Arishock when he slipped out a couple of times, and possibly with sten, but not the extent I'm talking about.

[Xilizhra]

Well, truth be told, I can't say that the OP is wrong. The Qun is a rather savage philosophy.

[DatOneFanboy]

MAKE A 1 GOOD THREAD GODDAMIT the fk is going on this week

[Angrywolves]

He's wrong. Read the book Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee . Many countries have examples of savage behavior. Soldiers committing massacres and so on PTSD. Stuff like that. The guys simply trolling.

[dekkerd]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, truth be told, I can't say that the OP is wrong. The Qun is a rather savage philosophy.

how so?

[Aolbain]

Faust1979 wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Elves, dwarves and and humans have killed many families and/or sacked many cities. Should they be wiped out?

Also Sten's murder of the families doesn't appear to have any justification in the Qun. He seemed to just kill them at random.

they mostly do get held accountable for their crimes. Bu that Qunari seem mostly about war and violence and can't interact well with other species I see them as more dangerous than other races until stories in the Dragon Age games show me other wise

The Qunari are held accountable. You can leave Sten in the cage and  I'm decently sure I killed the Arishok.

And of course the Qunari seams to be mostly about war, most of them we meet are from the warrior cast. When we meet ex-Qunari, like the merchant in Awakenings and the one (properly) sleeping with the viscounts son, and representatives of the church (in lack of a better word) like Talis, they seams quite reasonable. Plus, we haven't even meet anyone from the working cast. 

[Minttymint]

Savages?




But seriously OP, I think you're overeacting. One bad egg doesnt spoil the whole bunch heck just look at us! Us humans are a horrible lot too, right..?

[bleetman]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Also unlike the Second Qunari Invasion of Kirkwall, Sten's murder of the families doesn't appear to have any justification in the Qun. He seemed to just kill them at random. I get the impression from his reaction that other Qunari would have been horrified at what he did as well.

I don't know, don't the Qunari consider and refer to anyone outside of the Qun as "things"?

[Doctoglethorpe]

If anything they are the least savage of any race, they just take their civil order to a very fanatical level that seems insane to us barbaric folk. 

[billy the squid]

dekkerd wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, truth be told, I can't say that the OP is wrong. The Qun is a rather savage philosophy.

how so?

Because they see mages as broken and dangerous things, so they impose increadibly tight controls on them. That, in Xil's mind makes them savage. We'll just ignore the fact it's a more advanced civilisation than Thedas' cultures in many respects.

Modifié par billy the squid, 08 juin 2013 - 10:32 .

[Xilizhra]

billy the squid wrote...

dekkerd wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, truth be told, I can't say that the OP is wrong. The Qun is a rather savage philosophy.

how so?

Becasue they see mages as broken and dangerous things, so they impose increadibly tight controls on them. That, in Xil's mind makes them savage. We'll just ignore the fact it's a more advanced civilisation than Thedas' cultures in many respects.

That, plus the fact that they wage constant holy war against everyone whom they consider to be "things" rather than people, i.e. everyone who isn't qunari.

[Uccio]

Only good Qunari is a dead Qunari.