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[Milan92]

MinttyMint wrote...

Savages?




But seriously OP, I think you're overeacting. One bad egg doesnt spoil the whole bunch heck just look at us! Us humans are a horrible lot too, right..?

You won the internet today because of the Pocahontas vid. 

[Aolbain]

bleetman wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Also unlike the Second Qunari Invasion of Kirkwall, Sten's murder of the families doesn't appear to have any justification in the Qun. He seemed to just kill them at random. I get the impression from his reaction that other Qunari would have been horrified at what he did as well.

I don't know, don't the Qunari consider and refer to anyone outside of the Qun as "things"?

Yes, things to be molded into tools, into Qunari. Wanton slaughter is a waste. 

[Xilizhra]

Aolbain wrote...

bleetman wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Also unlike the Second Qunari Invasion of Kirkwall, Sten's murder of the families doesn't appear to have any justification in the Qun. He seemed to just kill them at random. I get the impression from his reaction that other Qunari would have been horrified at what he did as well.

I don't know, don't the Qunari consider and refer to anyone outside of the Qun as "things"?

Yes, things to be molded into tools, into Qunari. Wanton slaughter is a waste. 

But better than said things remaining non-qunari.

[TheBlackBaron]

The Qunari are the rough equivalent to the Turks or the Muslim Caliphates in Thedas. Despite having a tightly regimented and restrictive society, on the whole they're probably a bit more advanced than the average Thedosian civilization (and on the level of Tevinter or Orlais).

[LoonySpectre]

The only non-warrior kossith we've ever met was that trader in the silverite mine from Awakening. And even he said to have abandoned the Qun. Is it strange for fighters to, well, fight?

[Scarlet Rabbi]

Yes, they are blood-thirsty beasts who try to pathetically veil their blood lust with a typical holier-than-though type philosophy. They should be wiped out; they would do the same to all other races without batting an eye.

The Viscount of Kirkwall allocated them space to live within his territory for years and asked nothing of them; he was in turn beheaded for his trouble. Even though I despise the Tevinter Emperium, I still respect them because they were the only nation in all of Thedas to not bend knee and treaty with the Qunari, even as all other nations did, in a war THE QUNARI started.

[dekkerd]

Xilizhra wrote...

That, plus the fact that they wage constant holy war against everyone whom they consider to be "things" rather than people, i.e. everyone who isn't qunari.

I will concede the Mage situation, although other solutions are not working very well either. 

Followers of the qun in retaken chantry lands were put to the sword if they didnt renounce. 

As for holy war, aside from the incident at Kirkwall, they have abided by the treaty. 

Not saying I agree with the tenets of the qun, but I don't see it as any more savage than the other religions of thedas. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Swoopdogg wrote...

 Well, the Qunari isn't a race, it's more of a totilatarian government sort of thing. The Qun seeks order, and Kirkwall was the opposite of order. Their solution is to kill everyone. If no one's around to cause disorder, then there's order!

Well that's not quite what they were doing. Their goal was to overthrow the government of Kirkwall and bring it's people to the Qun. That was their method for ending the chaos and installing order.

Xilizhra wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

bleetman wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Also unlike the Second Qunari Invasion of Kirkwall, Sten's murder of the
families doesn't appear to have any justification in the Qun. He seemed
to just kill them at random. I get the impression from his reaction that
other Qunari would have been horrified at what he did as well.

I don't know, don't the Qunari consider and refer to anyone outside of the Qun as "things"?

Yes, things to be molded into tools, into Qunari. Wanton slaughter is a waste. 

But better than said things remaining non-qunari.

But that had nothing to do with why he did what he did. He was there to find out what the Blight was, not to convert the bas. He didn't kill them because they refused to embrace the Qun, he just killed them because he went berserk from fright.

I think David Gaider (or one of the devs) said that the Qunari would see what he did as a tragedy because even though they were bas, they had the potential to become more. And Sten robbed them of that chance.

If Sten really felt like what he did was justifed in the Qun he would have felt no guilt in the cage.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 08 juin 2013 - 11:11 .

[AstraDrakkar]

Unless I am mistaken, wasn't the Qunari religion (if u wanna call it that) based on the Borg from Star Trek? Didn't Gaider mention something like that? Any "religion" that basically removes a persons individuality seems pretty evil in my book. The Kossith themselves may not be savages, but anyone belonging to the Qun seems pretty savage to me.


(Off topic- Thank the maker this migraine is finally going away..)

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 08 juin 2013 - 11:25 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I think that was an expression he later regretted using. The Borg have a hive mind, Qunari don't. You can still have a personality if you believe in the Qun.

[AstraDrakkar]

All I know for sure, is that I could never belong to a cult that doesn't allow you to decide your own path. Waaay too restrictive for my taste. It still feels evil to me, no matter how much it's sugar coated.


That said, the Andrastian religion has it own fair share of faults as well.

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 08 juin 2013 - 11:34 .

[PlasmaCheese]

The viscount was a WEAK fool, and everything he did was to disguise the fact that he was. Under the guise of "keeping the peace". He simply didn't ask anything of the Qunari because he was scared ****less. He couldn't even stand up to Meredith. He deserved to be beheaded. After Saemus was killed, I bet he totally resigned himelf.

He should've told the Arishok, "Your boat STILL isn't here? Uh-huh...Yea...well, I hired some men to help you BUILD ONE. GTFO." =D

On topic, I like the Qunari. I love their certainty and pride. I do not think they are savages, just....different. 0_o

[Chiramu]

lol no, they go out and they want to convert everyone to the Qun. They are not savages, but they're like the Catholic church.

[AstraDrakkar]

simfamSP wrote...

E3, where art thou?

IKR. I feel you.

[Aolbain]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Scarlet Rabbi wrote...

They should be wiped out; they would do the same to all other races without batting an eye.

Since when do two wrongs make a right?

I think this is the biggest problem I see on this foum, and with a certain issue in particular.

Truer words have never been spoken. 

[dekkerd]

AstraDrakkar wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

E3, where art thou?

IKR. I feel you.

Sorry if its not an interesting discussion for you two. But wouldn't it make sense to not post and just move on?

[BouncyFrag]

Sten is still my fave companion. Does that make me a savage? Its a video game. If we were to pile the bodies up of all the people we've killled in DA and DA2, it would make the human wall used at the end of The 300 look like a playpen.

[dekkerd]

Chiramu wrote...

lol no, they go out and they want to convert everyone to the Qun. They are not savages, but they're like the Catholic church.

conversion is the goal of every religion in thedas we've encountered so far. The qunari are just the most recently aggressive about it. 

[Medhia Nox]

Bioware has proven one thing - a great many more are black and white than popular hate against extremes would suggest.

This forum doesn't even hold a pretense of middle ground on any topic - it's filled to capacity with knee-jerk fanatics.

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[Mr.House]

Someone didn't talk to Sten it seems. Sten was ashamed of what he did and regretted it.

Modifié par Mr.House, 09 juin 2013 - 01:14 .