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[Shasow]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

You think the actions of one person all of a sudden gives you a valid reason to go all genocidy?

I know, right? Wait, you're talking about humans right? Because Meredith....

[Androme]

 The fact that the qunari are foreign and wants to conquer the rest of Thedas is reason enough they should be pushed back. Anyone arguing otherwise is one of those people saying the world should be 100% globalized without nation states because there won't be any cultural or ethnical conflicts olol

[Aolbain]

Androme wrote...

 The fact that the qunari are foreign and wants to conquer the rest of Thedas is reason enough they should be pushed back. Anyone arguing otherwise is one of those people saying the world should be 100% globalized without nation states because there won't be any cultural or ethnical conflicts olol

"Stupid immigrants, they're taking all our jobs!"

[Kidd]

Androme wrote...

 The fact that the qunari are foreign and wants to conquer the rest of Thedas is reason enough they should be pushed back. Anyone arguing otherwise is one of those people saying the world should be 100% globalized without nation states because there won't be any cultural or ethnical conflicts olol

Nah, not anyone. Some of us acknowledge that Thedas needs to see order and all of its bleeding and suffering inhabitants would benefit greatly from a piece of certainty.

[Plaintiff]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Scarlet Rabbi wrote...

They should be wiped out; they would do the same to all other races without batting an eye.

Since when do two wrongs make a right?

Since the Qunari make no secret of the fact that their religion demands the violent conversion and/or slaughter of all non-Qunari, and that said conversion and slaughter is their eventual goal, I can't see action taken against them as anything other than perfectly justifiable self-defense.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 09 juin 2013 - 01:23 .

[The Six Path of Pain]

Aolbain wrote...

Androme wrote...

 The fact that the qunari are foreign and wants to conquer the rest of Thedas is reason enough they should be pushed back. Anyone arguing otherwise is one of those people saying the world should be 100% globalized without nation states because there won't be any cultural or ethnical conflicts olol

"Stupid immigrants, they're taking all our jobs!"

Oh my God...THEY TOOK MY JOB!!!!!

Modifié par The Six Path of Pain, 09 juin 2013 - 09:24 .

[EcreipRellim]

The only reason I dislike the Qunari is that I play as a mage

[Androme]

Aolbain wrote...

Androme wrote...

 The fact that the qunari are foreign and wants to conquer the rest of Thedas is reason enough they should be pushed back. Anyone arguing otherwise is one of those people saying the world should be 100% globalized without nation states because there won't be any cultural or ethnical conflicts olol

"Stupid immigrants, they're taking all our jobs!"

I take it you're one of those highly intelligent scholars that shout racist at anyone that criticizes immigration?

[Big I]

Androme wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

Androme wrote...
 The fact that the qunari are foreign and wants to conquer the rest of Thedas is reason enough they should be pushed back. Anyone arguing otherwise is one of those people saying the world should be 100% globalized without nation states because there won't be any cultural or ethnical conflicts olol

"Stupid immigrants, they're taking all our jobs!"

I take it you're one of those highly intelligent scholars that shout racist at anyone that criticizes immigration?

I think it's a South Park reference.

[gonzalez.melissa53]

You want to see an entire group of people destroyed? A group centered around a religious following or practice, based on the action of only a portion of said group. hmm... That's not racist? Me thinks these kinds of thought are for small minds and big trouble. I hope this is a joke.

Modifié par gonzalez.melissa53, 09 juin 2013 - 07:47 .

[Zkyire]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Scarlet Rabbi wrote...

They should be wiped out; they would do the same to all other races without batting an eye.

Since when do two wrongs make a right?

Since the Qunari will not stop until Thedas is conquered and its people subjugated or slaughtered?

[Fredward]

Filament wrote...

"Defending oneself" in that context only reasonably extends to preventing the qunari from wiping out all other races. Wiping out the qunari would go far beyond that and indeed imply that two wrongs make a right. If they will not stop then you use some other means to break their will-- conquest, conversion, etc. Not genocide. (that's not to say conquest is a fluffy bunny rainbow parade, but to the extent that it has to be done to halt attacks on your own land, then it would be acceptable)

Word.

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Androme wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

Androme wrote...
 The
fact that the qunari are foreign and wants to conquer the rest of
Thedas is reason enough they should be pushed back. Anyone arguing
otherwise is one of those people saying the world should be 100%
globalized without nation states because there won't be any cultural or
ethnical conflicts olol

"Stupid immigrants, they're taking all our jobs!"

I take it you're one of those highly intelligent scholars that shout racist at anyone that criticizes immigration?

I think it's a South Park reference.

I lolled.

[Plaintiff]

gonzalez.melissa53 wrote...

You want to see an entire group of people destroyed? A group centered around a religious following or practice, based on the action of only a portion of said group. hmm... That's not racist? Me thinks these kinds of thought are for small minds and big trouble. I hope this is a joke.

When that religious practice is "mindrape and murder", it shouldn't be allowed to exist. We don't let groups express such ideas in the real world, at least not in the West (no, not even in America; advocating slaughter is not protected under free speech laws).

The Qunari are actively threatening everyone else in Thedas, literally all of the time. They make no secret of the fact that they will commit genocide at the earliest opportunity. The religion is toxic and needs to die.

For that matter, the Chantry is hardly any better, and I would be pleased to put an end to it also. Or at least remove it from the political sphere.

[gonzalez.melissa53]

Plaintiff wrote...

gonzalez.melissa53 wrote...

You want to see an entire group of people destroyed? A group centered around a religious following or practice, based on the action of only a portion of said group. hmm... That's not racist? Me thinks these kinds of thought are for small minds and big trouble. I hope this is a joke.

When that religious practice is "mindrape and murder", it shouldn't be allowed to exist. We don't let groups express such ideas in the real world, at least not in the West (no, not even in America; advocating slaughter is not protected under free speech laws).

The Qunari are actively threatening everyone else in Thedas, literally all of the time. They make no secret of the fact that they will commit genocide at the earliest opportunity. The religion is toxic and needs to die.

For that matter, the Chantry is hardly any better, and I would be pleased to put an end to it also. Or at least remove it from the political sphere.

Based on just the games... you can see that not all qunari are the same. I believe that thier leaders could be held responsible but not them as a people. And only then for the instances they had a hand in. I understand that the comic aloods to some pretty shady mind control but that same can be argued for the chantry. Niether group is right but to say lets wipe them all out is pretty exstream. What about those who are farmers... cooks? crafts men? even low ranking military? you going to wipe out kids? That's not the answer. Heck people enterpret real religions differently maybe there are differing oppions in the Qun.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I'll fight the Qunari, the Chantry, all of them. Anarchy for Thedas! Once we're rid of the Qunari and the Chantry let's sack Orlais!

[Angrywolves]

I don't think the QUN religion is any different than any religion that used military force to spread its views.
The guy who started this thread is silly. If he and likeminded players want to destroy the Qun, the Chantry, and other things they hate in the game and the game allows them to do so then so be it. Not all of us will follow their lead however.

[Plaintiff]

gonzalez.melissa53 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

gonzalez.melissa53 wrote...

You want to see an entire group of people destroyed? A group centered around a religious following or practice, based on the action of only a portion of said group. hmm... That's not racist? Me thinks these kinds of thought are for small minds and big trouble. I hope this is a joke.

When that religious practice is "mindrape and murder", it shouldn't be allowed to exist. We don't let groups express such ideas in the real world, at least not in the West (no, not even in America; advocating slaughter is not protected under free speech laws).

The Qunari are actively threatening everyone else in Thedas, literally all of the time. They make no secret of the fact that they will commit genocide at the earliest opportunity. The religion is toxic and needs to die.

For that matter, the Chantry is hardly any better, and I would be pleased to put an end to it also. Or at least remove it from the political sphere.

Based on just the games... you can see that not all qunari are the same. I believe that thier leaders could be held responsible but not them as a people. And only then for the instances they had a hand in. I understand that the comic aloods to some pretty shady mind control but that same can be argued for the chantry. Niether group is right but to say lets wipe them all out is pretty exstream. What about those who are farmers... cooks? crafts men? even low ranking military? you going to wipe out kids? That's not the answer. Heck people enterpret real religions differently maybe there are differing oppions in the Qun.

There are no "differing opinions" in the Qun. The Qun does not allow for them. If you have a differing opinion on how the Qun should be interpreted, then you'll be re-educated, or cast out as Tal-Vashoth, and then they'll send people to hunt you.

I did not say that everybody who follows the Qun needs to die, but the religion itself needs to be got rid of.

[KiwiQuiche]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I'll fight the Qunari, the Chantry, all of them. Anarchy for Thedas! Once we're rid of the Qunari and the Chantry let's sack Orlais!

I certainly wouldn't mind being able to kill the Empress, Arishok, Arigena, Ariqun, the Divine, Archon and the Maker all in one game.

[gonzalez.melissa53]

Plaintiff wrote...

gonzalez.melissa53 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

gonzalez.melissa53 wrote...

You want to see an entire group of people destroyed? A group centered around a religious following or practice, based on the action of only a portion of said group. hmm... That's not racist? Me thinks these kinds of thought are for small minds and big trouble. I hope this is a joke.

When that religious practice is "mindrape and murder", it shouldn't be allowed to exist. We don't let groups express such ideas in the real world, at least not in the West (no, not even in America; advocating slaughter is not protected under free speech laws).

The Qunari are actively threatening everyone else in Thedas, literally all of the time. They make no secret of the fact that they will commit genocide at the earliest opportunity. The religion is toxic and needs to die.

For that matter, the Chantry is hardly any better, and I would be pleased to put an end to it also. Or at least remove it from the political sphere.

Based on just the games... you can see that not all qunari are the same. I believe that thier leaders could be held responsible but not them as a people. And only then for the instances they had a hand in. I understand that the comic aloods to some pretty shady mind control but that same can be argued for the chantry. Niether group is right but to say lets wipe them all out is pretty exstream. What about those who are farmers... cooks? crafts men? even low ranking military? you going to wipe out kids? That's not the answer. Heck people enterpret real religions differently maybe there are differing oppions in the Qun.

There are no "differing opinions" in the Qun. The Qun does not allow for them. If you have a differing opinion on how the Qun should be interpreted, then you'll be re-educated, or cast out as Tal-Vashoth, and then they'll send people to hunt you.

I did not say that everybody who follows the Qun needs to die, but the religion itself needs to be got rid of.

The Arishok had a role. It was war, right? He was sent to gurard/fetchXD the book and he failed. That was why he was in Kirkwall. 
Under the Qun he was never ment to "instruct" Kirkwall. He shouldn't have been there at all. He was a man who had lost his way. I'm not saying that the Qun is right by any strech of the imagination but I don't think we have enough information to date to write it off as evil. As for the Tal-Vashoth they were inclined to comit crimes. If you played DA:O even Sten talks about it. The villagers asking for help and standing by while they grieved over even the "smallest bit of bone". Soldiers defect and do horrible things every today and those defectors are delt with. 
All I"m saying is let the story pan out. Their might be something worth saving on all sides. Hates bad for you anyway and it doesn't look good on anyone.

Modifié par gonzalez.melissa53, 10 juin 2013 - 02:23 .

[Hazegurl]

They're no more savage than everyone else in Thedas.

[Nightdragon8]

Plaintiff wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Scarlet Rabbi wrote...

They should be wiped out; they would do the same to all other races without batting an eye.

Since when do two wrongs make a right?

Since the Qunari make no secret of the fact that their religion demands the violent conversion and/or slaughter of all non-Qunari, and that said conversion and slaughter is their eventual goal, I can't see action taken against them as anything other than perfectly justifiable self-defense.

I'm sure if the Chantry had there way it would be the same thing as well..  sort of paradies the IRL relgions of the world, at least the ones that "Join or die!" sort of mindset.

[gonzalez.melissa53]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Scarlet Rabbi wrote...

They should be wiped out; they would do the same to all other races without batting an eye.

Since when do two wrongs make a right?

Since the Qunari make no secret of the fact that their religion demands the violent conversion and/or slaughter of all non-Qunari, and that said conversion and slaughter is their eventual goal, I can't see action taken against them as anything other than perfectly justifiable self-defense.

I'm sure if the Chantry had there way it would be the same thing as well..  sort of paradies the IRL relgions of the world, at least the ones that "Join or die!" sort of mindset.

I think it could be agrued that many religions find their origins or at least a piece of their history in the join or die mind set, that does not mean that no good ever came of them. 

[In Exile]

Nightdragon8 wrote..
I'm sure if the Chantry had there way it would be the same thing as well..  sort of paradies the IRL relgions of the world, at least the ones that "Join or die!" sort of mindset.

The Chantry did do a similar thing, depending on where you're standing, with the elves in the Dales. 

[Plaintiff]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Scarlet Rabbi wrote...

They should be wiped out; they would do the same to all other races without batting an eye.

Since when do two wrongs make a right?

Since the Qunari make no secret of the fact that their religion demands the violent conversion and/or slaughter of all non-Qunari, and that said conversion and slaughter is their eventual goal, I can't see action taken against them as anything other than perfectly justifiable self-defense.

I'm sure if the Chantry had there way it would be the same thing as well..  sort of paradies the IRL relgions of the world, at least the ones that "Join or die!" sort of mindset.

And I don't like the Chantry either. It's a cancer on Thedas.