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[Mello]

Faust1979 wrote...

In the first game one of them killed a whole family in the second game there is no telling how many innocent lives they killed when they sacked the city. No telling how many men, woman and child civilians were harmed. Should they be wiped out?

They should be wiped out because they kill? Well then Templars should be wiped out too.

DatOneFanboy wrote...

MAKE A 1 GOOD THREAD GODDAMIT the fk is going on this week

Modifié par iPoohCupCakes, 16 juin 2013 - 02:41 .

[Xilizhra]

Lokiwithrope wrote...

If you put an predator known for aggressive tendencies into an unfamiliar environment, then agitate it, expect it to lash out.

So you're saying that qunari are no better than beasts?

[Mello]

[quote]Lathrim wrote...

[quote]iPoohCupCakes wrote...

[quote]Faust1979 wrote...

In the first game one of them killed a whole family in the second game there is no telling how many innocent lives they killed when they sacked the city. No telling how many men, woman and child civilians were harmed. Should they be wiped out?
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They should be wiped out because they kill? Well then Templars should be wiped out too.

And mages, humans, elves, dwarves, mabari...[/quote]
Yeah, pretty much any living thing that can handle a weapon. 

[Tarek]

humans did the same thing to elves

point is everyone can be Aholes race don't matter

[Qyla]

That's why war is always wrong. Who gives yoiu the right of decide who's worth killing? None, and once that you start wiping out you never stop until you are alone with yourself on a pile of dead corpse

[Plaintiff]

MisterJB wrote...
Opulence is not a sign of wealth; that's just like saying that just because a man dresses well, he is obviously rich. Rather, the purpose of opulence is to give the impression of wealth and prestige which is necessary if one's words are to be heard and respected. It's why kings don't dress like peasants.

It's not "necessary" at all. It is a useful tactic for aweing the ignorant peasantry into submission and preventing them from examining the subtance of your words and deeds with any sort of critical thought.

Not to mention, "extravagant opulence" is an exageration. Even the Chantry in Denerim; the capital; was smaller than many of the buildings in the Market District. Certainly, much, much smaller than Fort Drakon which was erected by Magisters. the One in Kirkwall? Another one built by mages on the back of slaves.

We don't know what's inside the Denerim Chantry, because the oh-so generous Grand Cleric bans outsiders. There could be any manner of treasures inside. Not to mention all the Chantry sisters in DA:O walk around in golden robes. 

Oh, and the Lothering Chantry? They stayed behind to help the people evacuate.
When a greedy man hoarded his goods, who was about to call the templars have him distribute them to the needy? A Sister.

Yes, how thoughtful of that sister to demand charity from another while giving nothing herself. The Chantry in Lothering is stuffed with books and candlesticks and other valuables. Good Sister Nagatha should've led by example and traded Chantry treasures with the merchant so she could distribute the needed supplies herself.

Even if their display of wealth is necessary to "command respect", there are more pressing matters. Lothering is in line to be razed to the ground regardless, and they can always find new baubles later.

[Lokiwithrope]

Xilizhra wrote...

Lokiwithrope wrote...

If you put an predator known for aggressive tendencies into an unfamiliar environment, then agitate it, expect it to lash out.

So you're saying that qunari are no better than beasts?

It's an analogy. Qunari possess a level of technological advancement superior to most of Thedas.

[schalafi]

IIRC, we were told before DA2 came out, that there were both horned, and non-horned Qunari in the game, but I didn't see any non-horned. I don't like the horns, especially the huge ones, and I hope we see some Qunari that are hornless in DAI.

[BlueMagitek]

The Qunari are more advanced, technologically and socially, than most of Thedas. :/

[North Light36]

MinttyMint wrote...

Savages?




But seriously OP, I think you're overeacting. One bad egg doesnt spoil the whole bunch heck just look at us! Us humans are a horrible lot too, right..?

*laugh* You beat me to it. But the title did make that song leap to mind. "Savages, savages, barely even human... Savages, savages, drive them from our shore. They're not like you and me, which means they must be evil..."

[TexasToast712]

 Qunari suck. Looking forward to kicking their heathen asses. Praise Andraste!

Let me clarify. I hate the idea of the Qun. Not the people themselves.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 16 juin 2013 - 05:50 .

[MisterJB]

Plaintiff wrote...
It's not "necessary" at all. It is a useful tactic for aweing the ignorant peasantry into submission and preventing them from examining the subtance of your words and deeds with any sort of critical thought.

Considering that every organization who ever presumed to influence the people built rather impressive headquarters; from the Vatican to the UN to the White House; we can either assume that no one ever had anything useful to say or we can simply accept that it is natural for humans beings to pay greater attention to your if you look powerful than if you wear rags and live in a hut and this does not necessarely affect the substance of one's teachings.

We don't know what's inside the Denerim Chantry, because the oh-so generous Grand Cleric bans outsiders. There could be any manner of treasures inside.Not to mention all the Chantry sisters in DA:O walk around in golden robes. 

Check again. They are conducting funeral services for the dead of Ostagar.

Yes, how thoughtful of that sister to demand charity from another while giving nothing herself. The Chantry in Lothering is stuffed with books and candlesticks and other valuables. Good Sister Nagatha should've led by example and traded Chantry treasures with the merchant so she could distribute the needed supplies herself.

Even if their display of wealth is necessary to "command respect", there are more pressing matters. Lothering is in line to be razed to the ground regardless, and they can always find new baubles later.

If you check the Chantry, you'll see that there are some books and a few candlesticks which, given their color, are likely made of iron and thus, not very valuable.
Not to mention, that greedy bastard is going to be running from the Spawn very soon so, it's likely he did not wish to be encumbered by non-essentials and would take nothing but cold sovereigns. That sisters specifically mentions they simply don't have the coin to afford his goods which, given the fact they are looking after an entire town overflowing with refugees, it's really not outside of the realm of possibilities.

[MadCat221]

Sten(ishok) had a brief moment of panic, forgetting that regular humans are a bit squishier than him, and clearly regretted it.

Kirkwallishok had been content to sit in their compound for a long time, and only blew his stack because he had been putting up with years of bulls&*#$ from all of Kirkwall. The fearful dumb citizenry of Kirkwall is to blame. I for one am surprised the big guy lasted as long as he did before he went ballistic.

[garrusfan1]

while I kinda liked the arishok the qunari are ridiculous. remember that qunari that was tal vasoth and then quit them as well. he said the qunari would think he was worse cause he would be a mercenary instead of someone who kills innocent people then takes their stuff. they indoctrinate people and basically are just plain sick. qunari are evil. a kossith isn't but a qunari is

[bEVEsthda]

I don't think the qunari culture would actually work. For real. Not for accomplishing the humanish feats that they have. But I still think it's well done. I think it's very cool to have a completely alien culture, with completely alien values.

As for homocidal maniacs, - what would qunaris think about humans?

Of course they should all be killed, just to be safe. And to have their lands. But it wouldn't be right. It would be a crime. And the world would be less for it. But better do it anyway. Remember? We already did it so many times.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 16 juin 2013 - 10:00 .

[garrusfan1]

BlueMagitek wrote...

The Qunari are more advanced, technologically and socially, than most of Thedas. :/

technologically yes socially depends on your view

[Aureliano120]

The Qunari are different, but not "savages" who kill without reason. They have their reasons - they just aren't ours. The world view is different; do you value freedom or order? Ferelden (and most of human-run Thedas) talk a good game about freedom - like in DA2, you can be a self-made man who pulls himself up from squalor to become a noble or even the viscount. But what are the odds of that happening for your average human? You're much more likely to be killed by the seemingly neverending stream of bandits, thugs, and other ne'er-do-wells than you are to get ahead. Ever bother thinking about all those nameless corpses we looted around the world? Or why so many humans turn to banditry? Those are the poor sods who rolled freedom's dice and got snake-eyes.

Look at it from a combat perspective. For some, freedom is the purpose and appeal of life. It's the "critical hit" - that chance to do overpoweringly well, though it may never happen. But others may go for order - you may never get a crit, but running like a well-oiled machine and maximizing your regular hits leads to high, steady DPS. This applies to humanity and the Qunari very well - humans have lucky strikes once in a while, but the Qunari are a monolithic machine that consistently puts out good results at the cost of having no place for those who refuse to be part of the system.

I have no problem with humanity fighting the Qunari in a war because it will be do or die for those who wish to keep their freedom. But the irony is that living by the Qun may actually benefit the overwhelming majority of humanity, because all that their "freedom" has gotten them is bad luck.

[BlueMagitek]

garrusfan1 wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

The Qunari are more advanced, technologically and socially, than most of Thedas. :/

technologically yes socially depends on your view

There's no poverty, everyone has a role in society, there seems to be no abominations...

[Nightdragon8]

BlueMagitek wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

The Qunari are more advanced, technologically and socially, than most of Thedas. :/

technologically yes socially depends on your view

There's no poverty, everyone has a role in society, there seems to be no abominations...

while that may be true, you are, from what I understand, forever stick in that role for the rest of your life.

the fact that they have 0 tolernce for anyone outside of the Qun, still isn't a good thing.