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[Jedi Master of Orion]

Yeah, but if the Qunari win they aren't going to be leaving the rest of Thedas alone.

[Volus Warlord]

I must ask: If the Quanari are savages, who isn't a savage?

[Kidd]

billy the squid wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Silfren wrote...

But the fact that the Qun's militant faction believes that this fundamental nature of its society gives it the obligation and the right to force all peoples of the world to live by its tenets is not just a flaw in the culture.  It's the dark side to this incarnation of Utopia that damns it.

At the same time, isn't it understandable from their point of view?

As Qunari, you see uneducated children who are afraid of responsibility and honour all over the continent. These people have made up various ghost stories that are based in nothing but idiocy, which shackle their development and also make them hostile to your own people and the superior education and knowing you possess. When you reach out to teach these children how to eat with a spoon, they throw a fit about leaving their mother's breast and scream loudly - only these children are adults and scream through the use of swords and sorcery.

The children decide that education is not for them. Many of them even claim that the struggle to stay infantile and unknowing - the forcing of those their weaker to not have access to their own food and safety - is a path most morally just to walk. To excuse this downright sickening and evil behaviour upon you and to their peers, they hold up ideals that they do not seem to fully comprehend and claim the ghosts of their stories will like them better if they fight.

All the while countless people around the world are suffering and dying for their infantile behaviour. This cannot be justified in nature. Education which saves lives is not to be avoided.

Shok ebasit hissra. Meraad astaarit, meraad itwasit, aban aqun. Maraas shokra. Anaan esaam Qun.

You preach better than I do. <3

[EmperorSahlertz]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

He didn't really need to tell anyone the details about heh book, but telling the Viscount he's looking for it? Why not?

If anyonthing, if people knew there is a object Quanri are after and are offering a large reward, it would only motivate them to find it and sell it to the qunari.

Because the last time the Bas got to know exactly what the Tome of Koslun were, it was taken from the Qunari and kept from them for over a century.... The Bas couldn't be trusted. Only Hawke proved to (be able to) be Basalit-an. But by the time Hawke had earned that status, it was far too late.

[Qyla]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

He didn't really need to tell anyone the details about heh book, but telling the Viscount he's looking for it? Why not?

If anyonthing, if people knew there is a object Quanri are after and are offering a large reward, it would only motivate them to find it and sell it to the qunari.

Because the last time the Bas got to know exactly what the Tome of Koslun were, it was taken from the Qunari and kept from them for over a century.... The Bas couldn't be trusted. Only Hawke proved to (be able to) be Basalit-an. But by the time Hawke had earned that status, it was far too late.

Moreover we never get to know what those Qunari ambassadors were discussing with the Viscount. hey did try to talk at some point, and ended up dead for respecting the rules.

[rapscallioness]

I like the Kossith...the big horned grey dudes/ The philosophy of the Qun, however, not so much.

Or rather...I just don't know what the real, original, in -depth writing of this Koslun were. I can only find one or two---cantos. In other words, I don't how much of the Qunari forcing their beliefs on other ppl is a part of the original teachings. And how much has been interpreted wrongly.

These are all I can find.

excerpt: canto 1:

"Existence is a choice.

There is no chaos in the world, only complexity.

Knowledge of the complex is wisdom.

From wisdom of the world comes wisdom of the self.

Mastery of the self is mastery of the world. Loss of the self is the source of suffering.

Suffering is a choice, and we can refuse it.

It is in our power to create the world, or destroy it.
And the Ashkaari went forth to his people."


excerpt canto 4:

"When the Ashkaari looked upon the destruction wrought by locusts,
He saw at last the order in the world.
A plague must cause suffering for as long as it endures,

Earthquakes must shatter the land.

They are bound by their being.

Asit tal-eb. It is to be.

For the world and the self are one.

Existence is a choice.

A self of suffering, brings only suffering to the world.

It is a choice, and we can refuse it."


There must be more entries than these, right? Cuz so far I'm not seeing the part where Koslun is saying go forth and submit every nation to your will. From these bits, what I get is more...a choice to understand that chaos is a part of the natural order.

And master yourself. Not be everyone else's master. I'm not seeing their justification within these bits of writing for the Qun making war on everybody to convert them.

Maybe you guys know of some other actual writings from Koslun? If you do, I would love to know cuz this has been a question for me.

How much of the Qun's current worldview is really true to what Koslun was going on about? And how much---as often happens--is a misinterpretation either from misunderstanding, or for more selfish reasons?