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[King Cousland]

I primarily created this so people would stop polluting the DA3 Twitter thread with discussion about this exchange:



So, discuss away here (assuming this doesn't get locked, of course - which I think is likely). People not part of the Twitter thread are of course welcome .

To be clear, I do not personally believe that Priestly's tweet says anything about supposed sexism in the VG industry (as the title has evidently suggested to some people). I use that phrase since other commentators (both on the BSN and elsewhere) are using the said tweet as the foundation for a broader discussion. Are they making a mountain out of a molehill? Absolutely, but I'd rather they say their piece here than derail other threads. 

Modifié par King Cousland, 09 juin 2013 - 11:12 .

[ShepnTali]

There's something to discuss?


Felicia's cool. I've watched her on Tabletop with Wil Wheaton.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 09 juin 2013 - 10:21 .

[Sakanade]

She's being pretentious and he's being a dick.


End of discussion,

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[ShepnTali]

Oh good grief, I looked this up. The guy's human and he even apologized. Nothing to see here, much less it being made into 'sexism in VG industry'.

[bleetman]

ShepnTali wrote...

Oh good grief, I looked this up. The guy's human and he even apologized. Nothing to see here, much less it being made into 'sexism in VG industry'.

You know the funny thing about apologies? They sort of lose their affect if you just go on doing the thing you were apologising for over and over again.

[karushna5]

There IS sexism in video games...but this isn't it. He apologized immediately and realized it was uncalled for. I don't see the problem.

[eroeru]

Something is seriously wrong with trying to get agitated over evils you spin off in the first place. Pseudo-ethical overly self-aware nitpickers 'r the people squeezing an apology out of the quite well-behaved Priestley.

You really don't think there are actual issues to worry about or do they just scare these people who like to think they combat injustice, and actually intrude upon others with their prudish manners?

Modifié par eroeru, 09 juin 2013 - 11:02 .

[Naughty Bear]

A mole hill turned into a mountain. People need to stop being over sensitive, you hear **** ten times worse than this in daily life. Suck it up.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 09 juin 2013 - 11:04 .

[Sol Downer]

Sexism in the video game industry? You're over-blowing things.

[King Cousland]

ShepnTali wrote...

Oh good grief, I looked this up. The guy's human and he even apologized. Nothing to see here, much less it being made into 'sexism in VG industry'.

I agree completely, I only included that phrase since other people (mosty Tumblr femi****s) were using Priestly's tweet to "prove" that sexism and misogyny were inherent in the industry. 

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

im sexist too you can't imagine how i treat females in real life

[Naughty Bear]

King Cousland wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Oh good grief, I looked this up. The guy's human and he even apologized. Nothing to see here, much less it being made into 'sexism in VG industry'.

I agree completely, I only included that phrase since other people (mosty Tumblr femi****s) were using Priestly's tweet to "prove" that sexism and misogyny were inherent in the industry. 

Especially that Bell woman, she clearly just wants an arguement.

[Bfler]

Normal joke how you can hear it at work everyday.

[LTD]

Felicia Day is a sexist tooD:
Felicia Day plays with herself   <  - - - NSFW. Hummm upon further inspection most of her vids say Vagina actually.

I really love it when people get insulted on behalf of other people. Only thing more awesome is when it happens over Internet&social media;p



Imo they both need to be fired asap! (mostly for contriburing in unleashing DA2 upon world but we don't have to go there.)

Modifié par LTD, 09 juin 2013 - 11:28 .

[Fetunche]

Some people need to get a life.

[Milan92]

Eh. I don't see whats sexist about this.

Maybe its just me.

[Firky]

Why does the discussion have to go to "any given person should/shouldn't be offended by x event?"

If a male colleague had made that comment to me, I'd roll my eyes and call him a "doofus" - unless there was some kind of systemic history going on - and if it were my husband (because that's exactly the kind of comment I could picture him making) I'd add a loving (hard) punch in the arm.

But, if a female colleague had a horror story about some guy making jokes about her naked chest (; the same story, from a different person's POV) it wouldn't be that hard to empathise with her. She just read the situation differently because that's who she is and the relationship between the two people was different. I might be able to present my "doofus theory" but it's up to her how she feels about it.

IMO, addressing issues of sexism involves lots of voices feeling free to give their true opinion, whatever that is. (I'd consider Felicia Day's opinion most important, but other people react to stuff in public forums, for all sorts of reasons.)

[KENNY4753]

Well this will end well.......

Honestly I dont see what the big deal is. Society overreacts to EVERYTHING! Whether making a joke like this and everybody thinks its sexist/harrasmant/etc or if 2 kids get into a fight it automatically becomes bullying. Chill ou people.

When I first read the tweet by Felicia I had the same response as Chris did.

[eroeru]

@Firky Your "doofus theory" is simply better, all's there is to that as far as I'd see...

e: People let things get to them them emotionally when they'd actually just want to avoid that feeling, period. They don't seem to know they make themselves contradict, and that from one's perspective, *all* can be influenced only via hisown actions - and I'd say attitudes such as one that lets one easily get insulted can be largely created even, via one's own choice and thought. People are dynamic and potentially (and hopefully) self-changing.

Modifié par eroeru, 09 juin 2013 - 11:41 .

[whykikyouwhy]

King Cousland wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Oh good grief, I looked this up. The guy's human and he even apologized. Nothing to see here, much less it being made into 'sexism in VG industry'.

I agree completely, I only included that phrase since other people (mosty Tumblr femi****s) were using Priestly's tweet to "prove" that sexism and misogyny were inherent in the industry. 

The twitter exchange isn't necessarily indicative of sexism "in the industry." From an individual? Yes. Within that exchange, his comments can be regarded as inappropriate and out of line.

It may have been meant to be a joke between friends - perhaps he and Felicia Day have made similar jabs at each other in the past, I don't know. The potential problem with using a public forum to make such an exchange is that the public doesn't have that history (if it exists). Which isn't to say that the comments were fair or without any undertone of sexism - just that we don't really know how these individuals speak to one another on a regular basis.

But what is troubling to me is that when people see comments such as these, and call out the undertones which are pretty blatant and are being perpetuated, joke or no, apology or no, that those individuals are branded with some sort of disparaging remark or label. Wanting fair treatment, wanting to clear up the prevalence of sexism, does not make someone militant or raging or something to be abhorred. Rather, it's part of a desire for fairness. People go about working toward that in different ways, but they shouldn't be lumped into some despised category.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Lol. Just curious guys, if a guy working in the health industry makes an unrelated tasteless comment to someone on Twitter, does that constitute sexism in the health industry?

Come on guys, that ol' noggin' needs to get some use every now and then.

[King Cousland]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

King Cousland wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Oh good grief, I looked this up. The guy's human and he even apologized. Nothing to see here, much less it being made into 'sexism in VG industry'.

I agree completely, I only included that phrase since other people (mosty Tumblr femi****s) were using Priestly's tweet to "prove" that sexism and misogyny were inherent in the industry. 

The twitter exchange isn't necessarily indicative of sexism "in the industry." From an individual? Yes. Within that exchange, his comments can be regarded as inappropriate and out of line.

It may have been meant to be a joke between friends - perhaps he and Felicia Day have made similar jabs at each other in the past, I don't know. The potential problem with using a public forum to make such an exchange is that the public doesn't have that history (if it exists). Which isn't to say that the comments were fair or without any undertone of sexism - just that we don't really know how these individuals speak to one another on a regular basis.

But what is troubling to me is that when people see comments such as these, and call out the undertones which are pretty blatant and are being perpetuated, joke or no, apology or no, that those individuals are branded with some sort of disparaging remark or label. Wanting fair treatment, wanting to clear up the prevalence of sexism, does not make someone militant or raging or something to be abhorred. Rather, it's part of a desire for fairness. People go about working toward that in different ways, but they shouldn't be lumped into some despised category.

But the issue isn't one of fairness or equality. I've heard and seen plenty of women make the exact same type of joke towards men (e.g, about taking off their trousers off or some such). Is it funny? Not particularly, but the reason for that isn't because it's sexist. It's just a cheesy joke. 

Emphasis: a joke. JOKE.

Not (as I've seen some people suggest) an attack on a woman's body mind, it is not something done to highlight a woman's supposed inferiority, and it is not a manifestation of "dudebro" privelage (whatever that may be). 

Modifié par King Cousland, 09 juin 2013 - 11:55 .

[InfinitePaths]

LOL I am really offended by these sexist feminist.They say "all men are sexist" "men are pigs",by their logic if a man offends a woman it's the end of the world and if a woman offends a man it's YAAAAY,good for you gurl.

Feminists first want men to treat them as equal hard workers and persons,sure,but then they want us to treat them like princesses while they treat us like low IQ peons.Basicly feminists don't fight for equal rights,they fight for women superiority.

98% of cases when a man is raped it's not reported,and when it is,everyone calls those men all sorts of names,it's really unfair the way the modern society views men.It views them like pigs who just want sex,and feminism supports that claim.Most of society doesn't look at it this way but men really have less rights in 1st world countries.If a man is ready to take 100% care of a baby that is being born,he can't influence it,if a women wants to abort a child she can,and sure,it's her body,but if a father who cares and loves his child is ready to support the child by himself,he can't.Every woman magazine gives them half-naked men and sick perverted stories about where men do everything for the women while she does nothing,when there are half-naked women on mens magazines that's offensive.Women can openly call men pigs,stupid and all sorts of names,and that's not right....

Anyways I got way too off topic.The point is I don't think it's right for you to tell "most men are sexist" because you're more sexist than us,feminist.Please fight for human equal rights,don't fight for female superiority.Fight for rights of both man and women in society.

Anyways,there are really problems about girls in gaming,which I agree that women should be more represented in protagonists,characters etc.But I don't buy that violence against women in games lol,there are 99% more violence against man in games.I don't understand women who say,first we want men to treat us like equal characters in game(sure,I 100% agree and fight for that).But then they say,we don't want men to use violence on women in game o.0?

There's also the funny thing in society that gamer girls get a lot of free things just because they are women,which is true,and he made a funny joke about it(I didn't see it,so I don't know what was exactly in there).I don't think it was particulary offensive,and if it was,he apologized like a human being.But then women started to offend men,and nobody cares.Do you see this sexism feminists have?

Anyways,E3 is tomorrow,yay!

[Firky]

eroeru wrote...

@Firky Your "doofus theory" is simply better, all's there is to that as far as I'd see...

e: People let things get to them them emotionally when they'd actually just want to avoid that feeling, period. They don't seem to know they make themselves contradict, and that from one's perspective, *all* can be influenced only via hisown actions - and I'd say attitudes such as one that lets one easily get insulted can be largely created even, via one's own choice and thought. People are dynamic and potentially (and hopefully) self-changing.

Maybe it depends on whether you're from the "harden up because you'll be happier" camp or the "feelings are meant to tell you something important" camp.

I have male colleagues, in videogames, who throw sexist things at me from time to time, and they're all meant in a friendly, ironic context, because they know I have kind of a black sense of humour about this issue. If I ever suspected one of them was actually serious, or he started doing it more often, or it just got weird or uncomfortable, I'd let him know about it. Because me being offended would be my signal saying, "I don't want to work like this." That's why I think listening to a range of opinions is important.

Having said that, I know other people use the "harden up method" and have happy, working lives. Also, choosing not to be affected by sexist comments that you can't control (like from random commenters, not respected colleagues) is kind of a different thing.