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Chris Priestly and Sexism in the VG Industry


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King Cousland wrote...

But the issue isn't one of fairness or equality. I've heard and seen plenty of women make the exact same type of joke towards men (e.g, about taking their trousers off or some such). Is it funny? Not particularly, but the reason for that isn't because it's sexist. It's just a cheesy joke. 

Emphasis: a joke. JOKE.

Not (as I've seen some people suggest) an attack on a woman's body mind, it is not something done to highlight a woman's supposed inferiority, and it is not a manifestation of "dudebro" privelage (whatever that may be). 

The fact is, a lot of women have had to endure disparaging remarks and rude comments about their bodies, their minds, or their supposed "place" in the world. Some of those comments are made with vitriol behind them, some are made offhand, without any thought to the implications because that's how society has progressed - that we can say whatever it is we want without thinking about the consequence (on a large scale, or how our words might affect the individual).

I don't see why anyone who sees "jokes" made in this vein should be looked down upon or scorned. That's making assumptions about how she (or he) might interpret  that - what the person's background or experience is, what they may have had to endure growing up or in their workplace. People say crappy things to one another, and often, people don't always know how to say "hey, maybe you're joking, but that's not cool. I don't care for your comments." Some folks that do respond in that manner might receive a nice apology, or they are further teased and their feeling are made light of. 

It's fairly easy for me to see how someone may see comments such as Priestly's and not see the joke, because that sort of thing often isn't meant in a lighthearted manner. 

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Firky. Yup! There's a compromise to be made. And you're spot on that choosing not to be affected is different in a case where you simply misunderstand, and in case where you know exactly what's going on. Just seems to me that people oft don't know what's actually going on *because* of their clinging to emotions and the thought that emotions are always right.

Anyway, just wanted to say I feel you're right about those things, and that many people could possibly learn from that type of an attitude.

(oh and sorry if my English is a tad awkward)

Modifié par eroeru, 09 juin 2013 - 12:06 .


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@eroeru You're totally clear. :)

Challenging "the emotional reaction" is as important as having the guts to listen to, and act on, "the emotional reaction," I reckon. Otherwise how do you know your reaction is providing you with good information?

(Sexism is videogames is something I reflect on a lot.)

Modifié par Firky, 09 juin 2013 - 12:09 .


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Wow..some of you people have your heads so far up your asses that you need glass stomachs to see if you are  offended by this. I mean what the hell? Really? ****ing really?...

Modifié par RedArmyShogun, 09 juin 2013 - 12:12 .


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Sometimes I'm just pretty glad of conversing on the 'net.

*way to go off-topic :wizard:*

Modifié par eroeru, 09 juin 2013 - 12:14 .


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Milan92 wrote...

Eh. I don't see whats sexist about this.

Maybe its just me.


It's not just you.  That situation could have been reversed. 

I don't find it depreciating of women anyway.  It seems like whenever you allude to their physical attributes, you're automatically being sexist these days.  Besides that, he apologized when he realized some people may be offended by his comments.  No harm, no foul.  I don't for a second think Chris Priestly believes women to be inferior or are undeserving of respect.

There is actual sexism in some games, and we can't really have a rational discussion about that when people don't seem to know what sexism is any more.

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Quelle horreur. If a woman made a similar comment to a man no one would give a ****.

Oh wait, sorry, I forgot. Sexism can only happen to womyn.

Modifié par wiggles89, 09 juin 2013 - 03:27 .


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this not the first time he's said something like questionable like this? Only towards women to I believe but I digress >.>

FYI even if it is a joke, if someone had said something like that to me and I wasn't close to them I would be offended, man or woman. Being a joke does not excuse something that could have been offensive to the recipient. But it wasn't said to me so if Felicia has no problem with it then move along, nothing to see here.

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Heh, I laughed. Not a big deal really and most of the women I hang around would have laughed too. I hope he didn't get in trouble for it.

Modifié par slimgrin, 09 juin 2013 - 04:10 .


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Meh, people read too much into things and get offended easily. Knowing Felicia (or what you get to know from her vlogs) she would have laughed.

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I'm not really sure what's the problem here. Priestly's definitely stuck his foot in his mouth a few times in the past, but I don't really see anything particularly offensive about the nature of this joke. I'd make the same jab at any of my female friends.

There's good discussions to be had over sexism in the industry, but this doesn't seem like the right starting point.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 09 juin 2013 - 04:39 .


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Nothing to see here. Some people bored on internet overreacting about one tweet ( whether people feel it's a bad or a good joke ) between two folks who know each other by the way. Why do people are bringing their ass on that matter ? This is what I don't get. This is normally personal and between them. Chris and Felicia. Or maybe I missed something, I don't know.

There's a ****storm because of that joke ? ( A joke that even a woman could have made herself to her friend or associate at work. ) Really ?

And that's how we come to " sexism in the industry ? " Talk about wasting your influence and your credibility over ridiculous issues with a serious topic.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 09 juin 2013 - 05:00 .


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Yeah right because the picture of society showed by the media with feminists and rapists etc obviously has to be true because it looked pretty & serious in television covered im nice words and bright colours.

Ask people on the street what they think about this kinda jokes. Don't look on the internet where one guy can pretend to be speaking for thousands pf people.

Of course there are individual cases but that alsmost never speaks for an entire society.

I'm sure that all girls I know would have just laughed this off ,come on now. Seriously.

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King Cousland wrote...

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Hahaha...

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People are too sensitive nowadays.

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Now that I've seen the mysterious tweet everyone was going on about - eh, it does rather seem like people are making a mountain out of a molehill.

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He apologized and wont do it in the future (presumably), so this can be filed under live and learn.

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Sessler's video on sexism in the industry however, is a must watch.

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Sounds like a form of solipsism to me. Anyone that gets " offended " by this just has their head stuck up their ass.. Priestly made a light joke and did not need to apologize. Just because you find something " offensive " does not mean it's sexist.

I wonder what would have happened if it was a female telling a male that. It would not be a big deal I guarantee that.

Feminist are a joke. There is no need for a serious discussion for this unless you're a slave.

Modifié par Seraph Cross, 09 juin 2013 - 06:08 .


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What my ninja Rise Kujikawa look-a-like said.

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It's was innapropriate and vulgar. I don't know him personnaly. Maybe the guy just a goof ball and his brain was shut off when he said that . Who know. Also people who claim it's was funny. It's was not sadly. The phrase can be taken in different context so it's not something one should ever say.

Sexist people are more subtle than this imo and feminist do annoy the hell out of me. Like Anita On the tube. Her alleged claim are so dumb.

Modifié par Suprez30, 09 juin 2013 - 06:14 .


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Lol at this ****ing thread. Man you guys are so PC it's pathetic sometimes.

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I am outraged... that I didn't see that tweet and say it before Priestly.

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Sakanade wrote...

She's being pretentious and he's being a dick.


End of discussion,

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