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[Zanallen]

I don't see his comment as particularly sexist. Sexual, sure, but not sexist. Unless he is implying that all men are horndogs and will give free crap to cute girls in exchange for seeing some skin. Which isn't really degrading to women so much as it is saying "Hey, guys are kind of dumb".

[Noctis Augustus]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Sakanade wrote...

She's being pretentious and he's being a dick.


End of discussion,

/Thread

[MissOuJ]

Dear god, not again. I really wish Priestly took a page from Gaider's book -- or at least stopped doing stuff like this.



Also, a handy guide for guys (and everyone, really):

Commenting on someone's body (as in, in general and in most contexts) = not cool.

Commenting on somebody's body in a sexualized manner when it is not explicitly made clear those sort of comments are welcome (as in flirting, in a relationship / good friend who you know will not be bothered etc.) = not cool.

Implying a woman would get better service / freebies / extras by taking of her shirt = NOT. COOL. AT. ALL.

(BTW Priestly also makes the assumption that the general manager is male, althought Day's tweet doesn't specify what gender the GM is. Because apparently women can't either be GM's or give freebies to female celebs they respect / admire / share mutual interests with.)

However, I wouldn't say this kind of behaviour (as in, continuous sexualisation of women when that has nothing to do with their jobs / what the're doing / what they're saying) is limited to VG industry (I have worked as a waitress and the number of men who thought they were allowed to make comments about my and my female coworkers bodies / what they wished to do to them was staggering) so grouping the two together is a bit weird in my opinion: #1reasonwhy is a much better starting point for that particular discussion -- but it still doesn't make this okay. Sexism anywhere isn't okay.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 09 juin 2013 - 07:21 .

[MerinTB]

LTD wrote...

Felicia Day is a sexist tooD:
Felicia Day plays with herself   <  - - - NSFW. Hummm upon further inspection most of her vids say Vagina actually.

Uhm... you need to learn what the word "sexist" means.

[mybudgee]

Wasting everyone's precious time.

End of line.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Dear God what is the world coming too when a person can't make a joke, honestly if the shoe was on the other food and Day made a joke about chris wearing no pants, do you think there would be as much talk about it.

[SafetyShattered]

It was just a joke guys. Yes it wasn't a smart thing to say, especially on twitter. In fact it was a pretty stupid thing to say.

But i don't get what the hate is about. I mean, i have a lot of friends that are girls and they make jokes like that to me all the time. And it's not like that is rare, a lot of girls make jokes like that about guys in geneal and nobody thinks anything of it.

I agree with King Cousland. Was it funny? Nope, not really. But it really isn't as big of a deal as people are trying to make it out to be.

[MissOuJ]

DinoSteve wrote...

Dear God what is the world coming too when a person can't make a joke, honestly if the shoe was on the other food and Day made a joke about chris wearing no pants, do you think there would be as much talk about it.

"It's a joke" isn't an excuse. Relevant links:

Link 1

Link 2

Also, there's no history of men being told "show your **** or GTFO" unlike women who have been told "****** or GTFO". Context and culture matter.

[ShepnTali]

Time to ban Austin Powers movies.

[SafetyShattered]

MissOuJ wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Dear God what is the world coming too when a person can't make a joke, honestly if the shoe was on the other food and Day made a joke about chris wearing no pants, do you think there would be as much talk about it.

"It's a joke" isn't an excuse. Relevant links:

Link 1

Link 2

Also, there's no history of men being told "show your **** or GTFO" unlike women who have been told "****** or GTFO". Context and culture matter.

So, just to clarify. Are you saying that those kind of jokes towards men from women are ok or are you just as offended by those as well?

[Tonymac]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Now that I've seen the mysterious tweet everyone was going on about - eh, it does rather seem like people are making a mountain out of a molehill.

I agree.

Chris (in my eyes) is making a point that its not just the t-shirt, but the fact that a lady is wearing it too.  You see, if a dude were wearing a D&D shirt he will get nuffin.

People are blowing this out of the water.  I know Chris - at least as much as a regular forumite interacts with them.  He (along with most of the other devs that I interface with) are really good people.

I hope people on here give Chris the benefit of the doubt and lok at the whole tweet/thread stuff and try to get a full understanding before they make an appraisal of the situation.

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MissOuJ wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Dear God what is the world coming too when a person can't make a joke, honestly if the shoe was on the other food and Day made a joke about chris wearing no pants, do you think there would be as much talk about it.

"It's a joke" isn't an excuse. Relevant links:

Link 1

Link 2

Also, there's no history of men being told "show your **** or GTFO" unlike women who have been told "****** or GTFO". Context and culture matter.

Dear Lord after reading those links my soul is actually weeping for the state of the human race, and I agree women rarely tell men to get there dicks out, that is not the sort of sexist joke women tend to make, but they do make sexists jokes and you don't hear men **** about it.  I know preople (men and women)  who make sexist jokes all the time and guess what they haven't raped anyone, nor would they approve of it.

Sometimes a joke is just a joke.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 09 juin 2013 - 08:19 .

[SafetyShattered]

DinoSteve wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Dear God what is the world coming too when a person can't make a joke, honestly if the shoe was on the other food and Day made a joke about chris wearing no pants, do you think there would be as much talk about it.

"It's a joke" isn't an excuse. Relevant links:

Link 1

Link 2

Also, there's no history of men being told "show your **** or GTFO" unlike women who have been told "****** or GTFO". Context and culture matter.

Dear Lord after reading those links my soul is actually weeping for the state of the human race, and I agree women rearly tell men to get there dicks out, that is not the sort of sexist joke women tend to make, but they do make sexists jokes and you don't hear men **** about it.  I know preople (men and women)  who make sexist jokes all the time and guess what they haven't raped anyone, nor would they approve of it.

Word, i like you already bro.

Just a couple weeks ago i was walking to a restaurant to get something to eat during my lunch break and i walked by a group of women. One of them looked over at me and yelled "take it off and shake that thing honey!" really loudly. Needless to say they all laughed and continued on their way. I just shook my head and walked on, didn't **** about it once. I know...shocker.

[Angrywolves]

I was happy to see someone saved that tweet. I doubt the thread will be locked anytime soon. I am sure the mods are aware of it by now. They may be afraid to lock it out of fear of being accused of a coverup. Are Day and Priestly friends ? If they are, the comment while inappropriate isn't as alarming as I thought it was. Of course some people in the forums don't like Tallis, her character in DA2 and some people it seems don't like Day personally. She seems to have become a polarizing figure for the DA players like Jessica Chobot was for the ME players. I like Day. I saw her on youtube with Wheaton. I saw her on the tv show Supernatural. I hope we see more of her. I am interested in whether Priestly gets in trouble with his bosses over this. We fans may never know. shrugs.

[MissOuJ]

Shadowfang12 wrote...

So, just to clarify. Are you saying that those kind of jokes towards men from women are ok or are you just as offended by those as well?

What kind of jokes? Jokes that sexualize men for women's pleasure? I haven't heard one yet. Jokes that play into negative societal stereotypes of men? Again, which negative stereotypes -- there seem to be none. All offensive / harmful jokes I've heard about men are when the man in question is acting "unmanly" -- ie. acting "feminine" , being emotional etc. These jokes are harmful because they portray femininity (and the characteristics ascribed to "femininity") as something to be ashamed of. If you're talking about rape jokes made about guys getting raped (ie. prison jokes, "don't pick up the soap" -jokes) they are just as disgusting as any other rape jokes and I always call them out when I see them (and I have actually called out one of my female friends for telling such a joke) because they're not funny and they're playing right into the rape culture which makes it very hard for both male and female victims of sexual assault to get justice. Do "anti-feminine" jokes negatively impact men and feed into the toxic cult of masculinity? Absolutely -- but their root is not in their hatred for men, but in men that "act like women".

But I honestly have never run into a joke that played into some society-wide negative notion about men and played it for laughs, nor have I heard a single joke about man-specific problems (ie. higher suicide rates, prostate cancer [compared to the "Save the Second Base" -T-shirts some male "breast cancer supporters" have been known to wear], etc.) and I have never, ever heard a woman make one. You are presenting a hypothetical situation I have never ran into. I have also never come across research that implies "misandrist" jokes have a negative impact on men's workplace performance, for example.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Angrywolves wrote...

I was happy to see someone saved that tweet. I doubt the thread will be locked anytime soon. I am sure the mods are aware of it by now. They may be afraid to lock it out of fear of being accused of a coverup. Are Day and Priestly friends ? If they are, the comment while inappropriate isn't as alarming as I thought it was. Of course some people in the forums don't like Tallis, her character in DA2 and some people it seems don't like Day personally. She seems to have become a polarizing figure for the DA players like Jessica Chobot was for the ME players. I like Day. I saw her on youtube with Wheaton. I saw her on the tv show Supernatural. I hope we see more of her. I am interested in whether Priestly gets in trouble with his bosses over this. We fans may never know. shrugs.

I like Day myself, I like her youtube shows, not the tabletop one though. But man I hated Tallis.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 09 juin 2013 - 08:34 .

[NeonFlux117]

Women like being objectified. If they didn't then they wouldn't want males. Cause that's what males do. Get over it.

True story.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

RedArmyShogun wrote...

Wow..some of you people have your heads so far up your asses that you need glass stomachs to see if you are  offended by this. I mean what the hell? Really? ****ing really?...

[TheBlackBaron]

Sooooo I think we're missing some context here. What was Felicia's response? That's kind of an important factor in determining if it was out of line or not.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

MissOuJ wrote...

Shadowfang12 wrote...

So, just to clarify. Are you saying that those kind of jokes towards men from women are ok or are you just as offended by those as well?

What kind of jokes? Jokes that sexualize men for women's pleasure? I haven't heard one yet. Jokes that play into negative societal stereotypes of men? Again, which negative stereotypes -- there seem to be none. All offensive / harmful jokes I've heard about men are when the man in question is acting "unmanly" -- ie. acting "feminine" , being emotional etc. These jokes are harmful because they portray femininity (and the characteristics ascribed to "femininity") as something to be ashamed of. If you're talking about rape jokes made about guys getting raped (ie. prison jokes, "don't pick up the soap" -jokes) they are just as disgusting as any other rape jokes and I always call them out when I see them (and I have actually called out one of my female friends for telling such a joke) because they're not funny and they're playing right into the rape culture which makes it very hard for both male and female victims of sexual assault to get justice. Do "anti-feminine" jokes negatively impact men and feed into the toxic cult of masculinity? Absolutely -- but their root is not in their hatred for men, but in men that "act like women".

But I honestly have never run into a joke that played into some society-wide negative notion about men and played it for laughs, nor have I heard a single joke about man-specific problems (ie. higher suicide rates, prostate cancer [compared to the "Save the Second Base" -T-shirts some male "breast cancer supporters" have been known to wear], etc.) and I have never, ever heard a woman make one. You are presenting a hypothetical situation I have never ran into. I have also never come across research that implies "misandrist" jokes have a negative impact on men's workplace performance, for example.

Just because you haven't witnessed it doesn't mean it doesn't happen when I was younger and much more mussley, it use to happen to me all the time, I even remember being at a club on a few occasion where a woman has come over to me and started to feel my arms and then proceeded to pull my top off, can you imagine a random guy doing that to a girl?

[Dutchess]

I didn't know Priestly was 13 years old.

[MissOuJ]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Women like being objectified. If they didn't then they wouldn't want males. Cause that's what males do. Get over it.

True story.

Then maybe I'm just special since I'd like to be treated like a human being in stead of a piece of meat.

True story.

[SlottsMachine]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Sooooo I think we're missing some context here. What was Felicia's response? That's kind of an important factor in determining if it was out of line or not.

What is this.. I don't even. 

[Commander Kurt]

MissOuJ wrote...

Dear god, not again. I really wish Priestly took a page from Gaider's book -- or at least stopped doing stuff like this.



Also, a handy guide for guys (and everyone, really):

Commenting on someone's body (as in, in general and in most contexts) = not cool.

Commenting on somebody's body in a sexualized manner when it is not explicitly made clear those sort of comments are welcome (as in flirting, in a relationship / good friend who you know will not be bothered etc.) = not cool.

Implying a woman would get better service / freebies / extras by taking of her shirt = NOT. COOL. AT. ALL.

(BTW Priestly also makes the assumption that the general manager is male, althought Day's tweet doesn't specify what gender the GM is. Because apparently women can't either be GM's or give freebies to female celebs they respect / admire / share mutual interests with.)

However, I wouldn't say this kind of behaviour (as in, continuous sexualisation of women when that has nothing to do with their jobs / what the're doing / what they're saying) is limited to VG industry (I have worked as a waitress and the number of men who thought they were allowed to make comments about my and my female coworkers bodies / what they wished to do to them was staggering) so grouping the two together is a bit weird in my opinion: #1reasonwhy is a much better starting point for that particular discussion -- but it still doesn't make this okay. Sexism anywhere isn't okay.

I'm not sure about this. Instinctively it feels right, and it's what I was taught, but when giving it some thought I falter in my conviction.

Thing is, you can't speak for everyone when stating that (or close to it) and that's where it falls apart. I don't mind sexual banter at all, and if a guy I had the hots for said that same thing to me I would be well pleased. Those aren't general rules on how to talk with women, they're rules on how to talk with SOME women, and I hate when that gets confused.

You have a right to think that it's way out of line, and that a person doing it is a pig. However, I do hope you bear in mind that not all women feel like you do, and that men talking with women generally have no way of knowing which leg to stand on. There are general rules to socializing, but they're rules that people are more or less agreed on. That so many people are disagreeing about this is a strong hint that maybe it isn't such a clearcut case.

During communications, we teach each other how we prefer to be treated. In my mind, there are two big no-no's in this process. One is not trying to read the other party and respect the signs given. The other is demanding that personal preference is respected before/without giving any signs.