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[Bizantura]

Kill anyone that thinks "oversight in any way or form" is a good idea. Freedom for all and why that would result in anarchy or sociopathic behavior, thought by many, is beyond me.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Fun fact:

We've seen two dalish clans. Both have been led to ruin by their Keepers.
We also know that entire clans end up missing (abomination anyone?)

So yeah..the Dalish system works WONDERS.

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Also, we know very little about Haven so it's not a counter-example.
We don't even know who leads the village (Korlom or whatever his name was was never specific) or the specific social standings of mages and non-mages.
Furthermore, Reavers and dragon blood drinking.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 12 juin 2013 - 01:24 .

[Noctis Augustus]

Tevinter Imperivm.

The Chantry shall be annihilated and the Templars used as fuel for our magic.

[Straw Nihilist]

Templars. Laws and restrictions are there for a reason.

[Hurbster]

I don't care really. Neutral here. Hopefully that option will be catered for in the new game.

[HTTP 404]

I want to support neither. I would rather support the poor folk affected by their war.

[addiction21]

Standing off to the side openly mocking the fanatics on both sides while enjoying a stack of waffles.

[King KvT I]

Billie Bones wrote...

Templars. Laws and restrictions are there for a reason.

I'm with you there. Magic exists to serve man, not to rule over him.

[Killer3000ad]

My stance is that most of the Templars and mages are not evil people but the circumstances of their upbringing and their training leads them to view the other side with deep-rooted suspicion and paranoia. Then you have a minority of extremists in both sides who make things worse for everyone, Anders, I am looking at you.

[The Elder King]

MisterJB wrote...


Meh, if I have to choose between the Qun and Tevinter, I'll pick the Qun 100% of the time. At least, they believe in equality and elevation of the common man.
It has happened before in Seheron and Par-Vollen. Many humans and elves have preferred the Qun over the tyranny of a magocracy.

If I have to choose between Tevinter and Qunari (in my canon), I'll choose to die, killing as many Qunari and magisters as I can.
About the OP, I have to wait and see how the two factions will act in DAI. In DA2 I choose the mages simply because they weren't involved with Anders, but both sides were equally bad.

Modifié par hhh89, 12 juin 2013 - 01:54 .

[Hadeedak]

Same one as the last 3 games: Team let's all put down our knives and talk to each other like reasonable adults here.

Maybe mages this time around. I'm not sure!

[Vilegrim]

Luiren wrote...



I like what you've said, and I agree that changes are needed on both sides. Only question is: How are we going to get either side to see that?  Anders' plan obviously didn't work out quite the way we wanted (or maybe it did?).

My take is that he saw a war as inevitable, a fight or die, and decided now was better than later.   If the Templars could be reconstituted as magic police, not under the control of the chantry, under a council of mages and templars (because using either the ideologically driven chantry with it's in built hatred of mages, or a pure templar organisation with the problems that has already been shown to have would not work) voting on major issues and general policy, then maybe it could work.  Mages would have to be given the choice of living in a revised circle system (and would have to be trained under that) or out in the world with monitoring, so that the natural desire for a real life and family could be accepted and worked with rather than driving people to apostatsy with the natural step of breaking one taboo with the terrible consequences it brings leading to going full blood mage as you can hardly make it worse.

That I believe is why their are so many blood mages among apostates, the need for any edge no matter the cost to overcome the Templars...who are coming and will kill you, or make you tranquil..and who can honestly say which fate is worse?   The choice of a monastic imprisonment in a circle (with dangerous covert affairs being the only possibility) or a life being hunted, but at least for a while being free, the people who make the choice to run would naturally fight as hard as they can to stay free with Blood Magic being the only thing they are aware of that can save them when the hammer falls.

[CemAeuducan]

Qunari or the darkspawn. I dont even care about the mage/templar.

I WANT MOAR DEMONS AND HEATHEN KILLING GREYMEN!!!1!!

[Asdrubael Vect]

MisterJB wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

I think the main issue here is that no matter which side wins, Right after the conflict's ended, the qunari are definitely going to invade the weakened southern kingdoms again. And this time, without the circle of magi and the chantry's ability to summon an Exalted March cuz their whole organization's in chaos, the qunaris are most likely going to win...And then everyone's individual identity will be taken away forever after they get assimilated into the Qun.

Meh, if I have to choose between the Qun and Tevinter, I'll pick the Qun 100% of the time. At least, they believe in equality and elevation of the common man.
It has happened before in Seheron and Par-Vollen. Many humans and elves have preferred the Qun over the tyranny of a magocracy.

are you mad? no matter how bad you life can posibly be even if you will become a slave for worst Magister in Tevinter but this is not that worst than life in Qun society by Tamassarant tyranny....

in Tevinter you always would have a many options to have a good life if you a non-mage but in Qun you and "your" non-kosind childrens will never have, and always would work only on fields and mines

in Qun sosiety you will never have freedom and freewill only serving for kossinds Tammasarant will and working on fields and mines or maybe if raised by Qun you  would become a missioner to convince other poor and non-happy peoples(who  know nothing about Qun) to live in Qun

in Qun sosiety you will never have relationship, family, childrens(if Tamasarants would want  to have your childrens in Qun they chose a partner for you and after sex and child born(if you female) you will never see your childrens or know anything about them)

in Qunari society you will never be more than just a replaceable tool for Tammasarants, even a tool as common steel sword or lute always would  be more valuable than your life no matter who you are, if you are not Kossind Tammassarant(and they are always only Kosind womans who raised some of others kossind girls to be them)

if you will not like some in Qun sosiety or teachings(for example Race Segretation) you will be sent to spesial concentration camp when you will be retrained or brainwashed by Qamek or killed...and no one would even care or ask about you

Seheron have an army of  kossind Talvasgots, elven/humans Fog Warriors and  Tevinter rebels who fight agains Qunari

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 12 juin 2013 - 04:17 .

[The Elder King]

First, being the lowest of slaves in Tevinter isn't that better than being a mage in the Qun.
Second, a human,elf or dward who willingly become a qunari isn't going too work in the mines, but in one of the three mani fields. In theory, they could become Arigena, Ariqun or Arishok.
I wouldn't like to live in the Qun, but there's no need to exaggerate.

[Asdrubael Vect]

"In theory, they could become Arigena, Ariqun or Arishok."

they will never because of Tammassarant race selection program who specially raised some kossind to be them and to be members of other groups,

Arishok may be chosen by Tammassarant from best kossind warriors of "warrior caste" if previous one was killed or dead but i am sure that this is for the moment before they specially raised a new Arishok who after would replace those who was from "warrior caste"

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 12 juin 2013 - 04:33 .

[jsadalia]

I'm hoping we'll get a chance to work with a more interesting plot. Mages v templars never grabbed me.

But if I had to choose, probably mages, because they seem in general to be marginally less driven by general jerkiness. Except Anders. I hate Anders. He better stay dead this time.

Modifié par jsadalia, 12 juin 2013 - 04:21 .

[Tom-N7-]

Kill them all!

[GodWood]

Bizantura wrote...
Kill anyone that thinks "oversight in any way or form" is a good idea.

This would require oversight.

Modifié par GodWood, 12 juin 2013 - 04:28 .

[The Elder King]

Dark Korsar wrote...

"In theory, they could become Arigena, Ariqun or Arishok."

they will never because Tammassarant raised some kossind to be them, Arishok may be chosen by Tammassarant from best kossind warriors of "warrior caste" if previous one was killed or dead but i am sure that this is for the moment before they specially raised a new Arishok who after replace those who was from "warrior caste"

The Arishok is chosen because he's the best Qunari warrior (don't know by what standard, if merely strenght or tactical experience). The Tamassrann choose for every Qunari in what field they should be put. They don't train some qunari to be Arishok.
Since a human, when joining the Qun, become a Qunari, if he is assigned in the military field, he could advance in ranks, becoming eventually Arishok.
if a warrior Hawke would've joined the Qun, he would've obviously be put in the warrior caste. If he'd have proven that he was a better general and soldier than the Arishok, he would've become the Arishok.
Unless WoT stated something different, there's no difference between a male human warrior and a human warrior kossith. Both have the same chances to make 'career'.

[Asdrubael Vect]

hhh89 wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

"In theory, they could become Arigena, Ariqun or Arishok."

they will never because Tammassarant raised some kossind to be them, Arishok may be chosen by Tammassarant from best kossind warriors of "warrior caste" if previous one was killed or dead but i am sure that this is for the moment before they specially raised a new Arishok who after replace those who was from "warrior caste"

The Arishok is chosen because he's the best Qunari warrior (don't know by what standard, if merely strenght or tactical experience). The Tamassrann choose for every Qunari in what field they should be put. They don't train some qunari to be Arishok.
Since a human, when joining the Qun, become a Qunari, if he is assigned in the military field, he could advance in ranks, becoming eventually Arishok.
if a warrior Hawke would've joined the Qun, he would've obviously be put in the warrior caste. If he'd have proven that he was a better general and soldier than the Arishok, he would've become the Arishok.
Unless WoT stated something different, there's no difference between a male human warrior and a human warrior kossith. Both have the same chances to make 'career'.

they will never because of Tammassarant race selection program who for centuries specially raised some kossind to be them and to be members of other groups

Hawke non-mage would never be more than Ben Hassrath spy or assasin, "his" childrens if would not be raised as farmers maybe too...but who knows, Hawke still have mage blood in his veins 

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 12 juin 2013 - 04:45 .

[The Elder King]

Hawke could very well entering in the warrior caste if he's a warrior. A rogue might become a Ben Hassrath, but in this case he'll fall under the Ariqun. The Tamassran choose the field based on people's abilities and talents (at least those who are already adults when converted). If Hawke is a warrior, it's obviously that he'll be a warrior under the Qun.
And again, unless you have some proof about some special breeding programs for the Arishok's role, all you're saying are assumptions.

[Asdrubael Vect]

hhh89 wrote...

Hawke could very well entering in the warrior caste if he's a warrior. A rogue might become a Ben Hassrath, but in this case he'll fall under the Ariqun. The Tamassran choose the field based on people's abilities and talents (at least those who are already adults when converted). If Hawke is a warrior, it's obviously that he'll be a warrior under the Qun.
And again, unless you have some proof about some special breeding programs for the Arishok's role, all you're saying are assumptions.

http://social.biowar...ex/3308675&lf=8  please read this

[The Elder King]

Dark Korsar wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Hawke could very well entering in the warrior caste if he's a warrior. A rogue might become a Ben Hassrath, but in this case he'll fall under the Ariqun. The Tamassran choose the field based on people's abilities and talents (at least those who are already adults when converted). If Hawke is a warrior, it's obviously that he'll be a warrior under the Qun.
And again, unless you have some proof about some special breeding programs for the Arishok's role, all you're saying are assumptions.

http://social.biowar...ex/3308675&lf=8  please read this

 
What they said here isn't what you said. Kirby said that there are breeding programs for soldiers,not for the Arishok exclusively (which I was debating). Meaning that they breed for the purpose of generating tronger soldiers. But Kirby said that they evaluate the natural attitude too. If a Qunari from an intellectual breeding program turns out to be more adept to warfare, he'd be assigned under the Arishok. Natural attitude and talents are still determinant to the choice.
Plus, Gaider said that members from other races could reach position of leadership with the consent of the Ben Hassrsath. So Hawke could become a leader in the Qun. As every humans, elves le dwarves under the Qun, with the approval of the Ben Hassrath and provided that they are better than the others.