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Where do YOU stand in the Mage/Templar War?


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hhh89 wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Hawke could very well entering in the warrior caste if he's a warrior. A rogue might become a Ben Hassrath, but in this case he'll fall under the Ariqun. The Tamassran choose the field based on people's abilities and talents (at least those who are already adults when converted). If Hawke is a warrior, it's obviously that he'll be a warrior under the Qun.
And again, unless you have some proof about some special breeding programs for the Arishok's role, all you're saying are assumptions.

http://social.biowar...ex/3308675&lf=8  please read this

 
What they said here isn't what you said. Kirby said that there are breeding programs for soldiers,not for the Arishok exclusively (which I was debating). Meaning that they breed for the purpose of generating tronger soldiers. But Kirby said that they evaluate the natural attitude too. If a Qunari from an intellectual breeding program turns out to be more adept to warfare, he'd be assigned under the Arishok. Natural attitude and talents are still determinant to the choice.
Plus, Gaider said that members from other races could reach position of leadership with the consent of the Ben Hassrsath. So Hawke could become a leader in the Qun. As every humans, elves le dwarves under the Qun, with the approval of the Ben Hassrath and provided that they are better than the others.

If the Ben-Hassrath was satisifed with them, yes, it would technically be possible.

Qunari have been bred for specific roles for a very long time. Parentage isn't really the issue anymore: It's more like pedigree. If you're a soldier, then there have been lots and lots and lots of soldiers in your bloodline, to the extent that you were probably born with the capacity to march in formation. If you were bred to be a fisherman, you are probably drawn to water the way that Labrador Retrievers are compelled, as if by an unseen force, to jump into the swimming pools of the neighbors. But breeding doesn't mean you, specifically, are suited for the job. Maybe you're bred to be a soldier, but you turn out more intellectual -- the Tamassrans may stick you in the priesthood, researching weapons technology or the Ben-Hassrath, policing the populace, or who knows what, depending on what roles need filled by someone with your specific traits.

Qunari convert people to the Qun by conquering them, dismantling their society, separating their families, and raising all their children as Qunari. 

The Tamassrans raise all the children, give them their general education, and evaulate them. Qunari are officially assigned their roles when they are twelve years old. The Tamassrans have some tests, but nothing requiring a #2 pencil. They also have something of a head start on the process, since they are the ones who control the Qunari selective breeding program.

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 12 juin 2013 - 06:01 .


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:huh: What's the point of your post? Tamassran control breeding programs for every fields, not just the leaders like the Arishok (which again, was wha I was suggesting they weren't doing), but depending on natural attitude Qunari could be assigned to other fields, and other races could reach leadership positions. Which I said was possible. 

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hhh89 wrote...

:huh: What's the point of your post? Tamassran control breeding programs for every fields, not just the leaders like the Arishok (which again, was wha I was suggesting they weren't doing), but depending on natural attitude Qunari could be assigned to other fields, and other races could reach leadership positions. Which I said was possible. 

they technically maybe would have be on leaders post if they would have a pedigree-generations of those who would be raised to be better than kossinds who was already have a pedigree and specially was raised(for centuries) to be in high positions in Qun society.....Tammassarant are only kossinds who are raised for generations to be Tammassarants and they specialy raised only kossinds for generations to be on high positions in Qun society

so chances for non-kosinds to have a high positions in Qun society is 0,1% because they will always lag behind those generations of Kossinds with pedigrees who have been specially raised for this positions

and those non-kosinds who for now have any small chances to have a high positions in Qun are ony those elves who was descendants of the first who been conquer by Qun

the only high position what non-kosinds may posibly have in Qun society is a Ben-Hassrath spy, assasin or missioner in non-Qun lands

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 12 juin 2013 - 06:34 .


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It was never stated that for a human to become Arishok he has to be an offspring of a breeding program: only that they need to be authorized.

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I don't support either, because I don't live there.

My CHARACTERS, however, will support different sides. One will be mage, one will be templar, and one will try to walk the line between them. Such is the joy "replayability".

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Maclimes wrote...

I don't support either, because I don't live there.

My CHARACTERS, however, will support different sides. One will be mage, one will be templar, and one will try to walk the line between them. Such is the joy "replayability".


I agree, though I'll make a 'canon' playthrough where I'll make choices based on my personal values and opinions.

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Out of those two? The Templars. If there's a middle ground to try and reform a balance between them, such as the Grey Wardens, then I'll follow that path. :)

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I'll probably stand by the mages as that is where I have stood in the past. But I'd love a "take all the power and watch the world burn" option.

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I am very much Pro Mage. Even my douche bag Hawke ended up supporting the mages. Because to me, an army run by and made up of fanatics / racists drug users is not a sound solution. Nor is stealing children form their parents because they MIGHT be a danger.
However, I would have liked a peaceful path.
Ie, turn the circle into a school where mages can learn to control their powers and learn the dangers of demons. Rather then forcing them to be isolated, and abused by those in power.
However when it comes to DA3. ….
I don’t know… when I know more about the game and play it, I’ll see how my characters react and what faction the game compels me to support.

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I choose the Qun.

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Idiotic weak-willed fools within a movement do not and can not ever destroy the validity of the ideals therein. I support the freedom of mages. Either they are fellow humans/elves with the right to own themselves, or they are not, and magic does not negate the simple truth of their own consciousness and ability to choose. So, logically, nothing that can be done to anyone else can be extended to mages.

Besides, the mages--far more than the templars--have incentive to RIGHTLY police themselves of blood magic, as they already operate under a public opinion bias against them and need to be on their best behavior. The strictest hierarchy will always be less efficient than spontaneous and voluntary order.

Modifié par Taiyama, 13 juin 2013 - 08:07 .


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If it has to absolutely come down to an either or option, I'll side with the mages. If I had my druthers, though, I support a middle path; divorce the Templars from the Chantry and establish the Circle as an academy for magical children. The Templars should provide security and can raise non-magical children as warriors and rogues. Families would be able to visit their kids and mages would be part of society.

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In DA2 I didn't want to choose either of them because I always believe in compromise and support peace.
They both did anoy the hell out of me though...

So if they force us to choose again, I hope there is an option to kill everyone in a mad rage :ph34r:


leslie2233 wrote...

I choose the Qun.


Also this.

Modifié par JediHealerCosmin, 13 juin 2013 - 07:54 .


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JediHealerCosmin wrote...
In DA2 I didn't want to choose either of them because I always believe in compromise and support peace.
They both did anoy the hell out of me though...

So if they force us to choose again, I hope there is an option to kill everyone in a mad rage :ph34r:


I was pro-mage going into DA2, and played a mage protagonist in both games.  But now I'm totally in the same boat.  My inquisitior will be more even-handed, but as a player, I dearly want an option to tell the mages and templars to go f*** themselves.

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Replace "thread" with "idea"...or don't.

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It's not easy to pick sides, templars have a point and so do the mages.

However, I think Thedas would slide into chaos if the mages won the war and crushed the templars and their support.
Mages are born with powerful talents like summoning demons, mind control and blood magic, there would be no way to stop them from ruling over the ''peasants'' who cannot defend themselves from magic. Power corrupts. Soon the whole country would be run by the most powerful mages and the people could do nothing to free themselves from their oppression because magic is too powerful, especially when there is no templar army or control of lyrium.

While I think the way how mages are treated is wrong and I totally understand their uprising its better to fight for the templars

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The Woldan wrote...
It's not easy to pick sides, templars have a point and so do the mages.

However, I think Thedas would slide into chaos if the mages won the war and crushed the templars and their support.


This.  If you put a gun to my head and made me choose, I'd have to take the templars.

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

The Woldan wrote...

It's not easy to pick sides, templars have a point and so do the mages.

However, I think Thedas would slide into chaos if the mages won the war and crushed the templars and their support.


This.  If you put a gun to my head and made me choose, I'd have to take the templars. 


Funny... you couldn't convince me to side with the templars even if you put a gun to my head. Ah, I can just see the arguments with Cassandra and Cullen now...

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LobselVith8 wrote...
Funny... you couldn't convince me to side with the templars even if you put a gun to my head. Ah, I can just see the arguments with Cassandra and Cullen now...


I really want Cullen to feature in DA:I.  And not for the romance.  I want to see how his perspective on the mage/templar thing has changed over the last decade or so, as he's seen the worst of both the mages and the templars.  He's been through two Rites of Annulment and survived, he must have an interesting opinion on the matter.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 13 juin 2013 - 11:15 .


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Before anything, anything else, the templars must be eradicated. Surrendered ones will be permitted to live if possible. After that, we'll need to build up something new with the mages, the possibilities of which we'll see when we get there.

While I think the way how mages are treated is wrong and I totally
understand their uprising its better to fight for the templars

Never in ten thousand years. Every last one of them who continues to stand against us will burn.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 13 juin 2013 - 11:16 .


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Xilizhra wrote...
Every last one of them who continues to stand against us will burn.


Well, I'm crunchy and good with ketchup!

Or maybe I will just go hide somewhere.  Nothing terribly cataclysmic has happened in Nevarra yet, has it? :lol:

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Every last one of them who continues to stand against us will burn.


Well, I'm crunchy and good with ketchup!

Or maybe I will just go hide somewhere.  Nothing terribly cataclysmic has happened in Nevarra yet, has it? :lol:

Not yet, but how long would that last? Also, why would you be joining the templar side if you thought there was a chance for peace?

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Xilizhra wrote...
Not yet, but how long would that last? Also, why would you be joining the templar side if you thought there was a chance for peace?


I was just being silly and covered in ketchup ^_^  I don't particularly care for the templars or the mages, but I'd much rather try and find a solution that addresses both sides than pick one.

Of course, we all saw how well that went in DA2 <_<

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Funny... you couldn't convince me to side with the templars even if you put a gun to my head. Ah, I can just see the arguments with Cassandra and Cullen now...


I really want Cullen to feature in DA:I.  And not for the romance.  I want to see how his perspective on the mage/templar thing has changed over the last decade or so, as he's seen the worst of both the mages and the templars.  He's been through two Rites of Annulment and survived, he must have an interesting opinion on the matter. 


Cullen might still be with the templars. Perhaps he's still pro-templar, although why he would join a pro-mage apostate (given that it seems to be an option for the new protagonist) is beyond me...

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For the same reason a magister or a mage that is fighting templars might join a pro-templar protagonist. The threat from the demons might be higher than you think. Maybe they'd prefer to fight together than die against demons.