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[lil yonce]

DKJaigen wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

One thing that will be interesting to see addressed in this conflict is the impact of the fade tears-- the mages at Andoral's Reach possibly becoming beacons for the demons pouring into Thedas. There may be no choice but for mages to fight their own kind who become possessed abominations with templars. Their numbers would dwindle and the course of the conflict could drastically change.

One of the main reasons why mages are locked up in their circle is because they are portals to into the mortal world. With the fade tears they no longer need those mages and demons are just as happy to possess mundanes. Right now mundanes right now are far more vunrable to possesion (lock the mundanes up lol) then mages are because they lack traning or knowledge to defeat the demons.

So your scenario has some merit. But more likely that the templars will hve to massacre mundanes

A mage is still the best option, however. The most power to use, and they're all conviently gathered in one place.

[DKJaigen]

Volus Warlord wrote...

I really don't see how people love the mages so much. All they are is a bunch of ticking time bombs waiting to kill a bunch of people that whine like heck about people keeping tabs on them to make sure they don't do so.

The chantry and its templars do not realise that when a third party arrives who embraces magic instead of fearing it they will be wiped out. look beyond templar mage conflict you see how often templars fall to demons you see how mages struggle to understand the magic around them .The chantry promotes ignorance that will destroy it and kill or enslave most of thedas. thank you but no. they need to be wiped out and a more effective system need to be put into place. and i dont care if a few people suffer they will die anyway.

[DKJaigen]

Youth4Ever wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

One thing that will be interesting to see addressed in this conflict is the impact of the fade tears-- the mages at Andoral's Reach possibly becoming beacons for the demons pouring into Thedas. There may be no choice but for mages to fight their own kind who become possessed abominations with templars. Their numbers would dwindle and the course of the conflict could drastically change.

One of the main reasons why mages are locked up in their circle is because they are portals to into the mortal world. With the fade tears they no longer need those mages and demons are just as happy to possess mundanes. Right now mundanes right now are far more vunrable to possesion (lock the mundanes up lol) then mages are because they lack traning or knowledge to defeat the demons.

So your scenario has some merit. But more likely that the templars will hve to massacre mundanes

A mage is still the best option, however. The most power to use, and they're all conviently gathered in one place.

perhaps. but demons are not discriminate. they will possess the nearest mundane if a mage is not avaible. it will most likely try to possess a mage if a mage and a mundane are in the same room. However as you said the mages are at one place. unless fade tears happen above andorhals reach your scenario is not likely.

[lil yonce]

DKJaigen wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

One thing that will be interesting to see addressed in this conflict is the impact of the fade tears-- the mages at Andoral's Reach possibly becoming beacons for the demons pouring into Thedas. There may be no choice but for mages to fight their own kind who become possessed abominations with templars. Their numbers would dwindle and the course of the conflict could drastically change.

One of the main reasons why mages are locked up in their circle is because they are portals to into the mortal world. With the fade tears they no longer need those mages and demons are just as happy to possess mundanes. Right now mundanes right now are far more vunrable to possesion (lock the mundanes up lol) then mages are because they lack traning or knowledge to defeat the demons.

So your scenario has some merit. But more likely that the templars will hve to massacre mundanes

A mage is still the best option, however. The most power to use, and they're all conviently gathered in one place.

perhaps. but demons are not discriminate. they will possess the nearest mundane if a mage is not avaible. it will most likely try to possess a mage if a mage and a mundane are in the same room. However as you said the mages are at one place. unless fade tears happen above andorhals reach your scenario is not likely.

Lesser demons will possess nearly anything but smarter demons will chase after a prize. And I certainly would not be surprised to see a fade tear over Andoral's Reach. The drama!

[TEWR]

The Hierophant wrote...

Now this bothers me as it means that the Pride Demon from the Mage Origin should have been capable of controling any apprentice, but it choose not too for any number of unspecified reasons.

I failed to mention how the codex also talked about how Demons dislike using these methods right off the bat because they consider them to be what amounts to "crude". In Night Terrors, after their subtle manipulation of Feynriel fails for whatever reason they're so pissed off they're just like "Okay, you know what? **** subtlety. Gimme this person, NOW!"

Don't forget about the warden or spirits like Justice.

The Warden's special snowflake status is mitigated by A) how he can be content with the whole Duncan peace scenario (until he goes "...nah") and how he's not the only person to realize the deception in the Fade (Sten and Morrigan).

Justice has a built-in reason for why he's not influenced. The Fade's his natural domain.

[Medhia Nox]

Interesting thing about the Mage Origin Pride Demon... he says that "Real tests never end."

I truly felt in my mage playthrough that I would have been meeting him again - and that instead of taking over an apprentice that would just be killed by Templars... he was waiting for me to get more powerful.

Then an argument could be made that the introduction of The Taint foiled those plans - since the Darkspawn are alien to demons.

Mage Wardens for Pride Demon in DA:I - make it happen Bioware!

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 26 juin 2013 - 11:50 .

[The Hierophant]

IanPolaris wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Oops i forgot about Gascard's shades/wraiths, then Avernus who despite losing control was able to escape, in contrast to Grace who became possessed after summoning them at an unknown point during act 3. (I don't know what happened with Tarohne and that Desire Demon.)

We don't know how Grace and presumeably Tahrohne became possessed.  They may have chosen it (they were both nutty enough). Certainly we don't know it was the result of any demon summoning by either.

-Polaris

IIRC it was mentioned that Thrask's group summoned demons to fight Meredith's men before Hawke confronted them so it's a possibility with Grace, while i agree that Tarohne could have either been willingly or forcibly possessed.

Youth4Ever wrote...

One thing that will be interesting to see addressed in this conflict is the impact of the fade tears-- the mages at Andoral's Reach possibly becoming beacons for the demons pouring into Thedas. There may be no choice but for mages to fight their own kind who become possessed abominations with templars. Their numbers would dwindle and the course of the conflict could drastically change.

It's possible that with a large population of mages gathered together (Think of the collective surviving CoM from each nation) they'd probably look like an industrial flare in the middle of a pitch black forest, to the demons.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 27 juin 2013 - 12:02 .

[The Hierophant]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Now this bothers me as it means that the Pride Demon from the Mage Origin should have been capable of controling any apprentice, but it choose not too for any number of unspecified reasons.

I failed to mention how the codex also talked about how Demons dislike using these methods right off the bat because they consider them to be what amounts to "crude". In Night Terrors, after their subtle manipulation of Feynriel fails for whatever reason they're so pissed off they're just like "Okay, you know what? **** subtlety. Gimme this person, NOW!"

Don't forget about the warden or spirits like Justice.

The Warden's special snowflake status is mitigated by A) how he can be content with the whole Duncan peace scenario (until he goes "...nah") and how he's not the only person to realize the deception in the Fade (Sten and Morrigan).

Justice has a built-in reason for why he's not influenced. The Fade's his natural domain.

Thanks for the correction on the first. Also in comparison to the Warden, Morrigen, Sten (lol Wynne) wasn't it mentioned by Marethari that the ritual also protected Hawke? 

[Medhia Nox]

@The Hierophant: Man... what if the demons descend on the mages en mass and overwhelm them... and the Templars march to either destroy or save what's left among them.

Mage Abominations (like what Uldred became) scouring the world for mage children would be exactly the type of new storyline I'd love to see.

Mages being hunted to be carved out by Abomination Mages - man, I'd love that new Thedas - especially since it would have been caused BY the mages who revolted.

The Templars would then have a choice - be suitably destroyed as they should - or reform themselves to become the "Wardens" of non-abomination mages.

I'm sure the Pro-mage fanatics heads would explode - but "I" like it.

[valkulon]

 I stand in the middle, ready to execute Mage and Templer alike if they continue to be idiots. 

[TEWR]

The Hierophant wrote...

Thanks for the correction on the first. Also in comparison to the Warden, Morrigen, Sten (lol Wynne) wasn't it mentioned by Marethari that the ritual also protected Hawke? 

IIRC she did not say that.

[The Hierophant]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@The Hierophant: Man... what if the demons descend on the mages en mass and overwhelm them... and the Templars march to either destroy or save what's left among them.

Mage Abominations (like what Uldred became) scouring the world for mage children would be exactly the type of new storyline I'd love to see.

Mages being hunted to be carved out by Abomination Mages - man, I'd love that new Thedas - especially since it would have been caused BY the mages who revolted.

The Templars would then have a choice - be suitably destroyed as they should - or reform themselves to become the "Wardens" of non-abomination mages.

I'm sure the Pro-mage fanatics heads would explode - but "I" like it.

lol, that level chaos would make for some good combat scenarios though, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Templars and mages decide to team up due to pressure from the Grey Wardens (needs to make new Wardens), and the Tevinter (help with the future Qunari invasion).

[Xilizhra]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@The Hierophant: Man... what if the demons descend on the mages en mass and overwhelm them... and the Templars march to either destroy or save what's left among them.

Mage Abominations (like what Uldred became) scouring the world for mage children would be exactly the type of new storyline I'd love to see.

Mages being hunted to be carved out by Abomination Mages - man, I'd love that new Thedas - especially since it would have been caused BY the mages who revolted.

The Templars would then have a choice - be suitably destroyed as they should - or reform themselves to become the "Wardens" of non-abomination mages.

I'm sure the Pro-mage fanatics heads would explode - but "I" like it.

That strikes me as unlikely. Far more probable is the mages winning their war and beginning a reasonably successsful program of nation-building, even if interrupted by qunari attacks.

[The Hierophant]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Thanks for the correction on the first. Also in comparison to the Warden, Morrigen, Sten (lol Wynne) wasn't it mentioned by Marethari that the ritual also protected Hawke? 

IIRC she did not say that.

For real? (damn memory)

Crap, since i don't want to reinstall DA2 i'll dub you my official Lore chronicler, reciter, and clarifier. Remember that wherever i go you follow as i'll need help. (expect no payment in return)

[Medhia Nox]

@Xilizhra: Only if Bioware is headed in the direction of generic high fantasy.

Hopefully they'll try something different.

[Xilizhra]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Xilizhra: Only if Bioware is headed in the direction of generic high fantasy.

Hopefully they'll try something different.

You've still got your Islamist orcs to contend with; that's relatively different.

[TEWR]

The Hierophant wrote...

For real? (damn memory)

Crap, since i don't want to reinstall DA2 i'll dub you my official Lore chronicler, reciter, and clarifier. Remember that wherever i go you follow as i'll need help. (expect no payment in return)

Can I get pie at least?

[The Hierophant]

Xilizhra wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Xilizhra: Only if Bioware is headed in the direction of generic high fantasy.

Hopefully they'll try something different.

You've still got your Islamist orcs to contend with; that's relatively different.

There's nothing Islamic about the Qunari nor do they act, or look like orcs?

[The Hierophant]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

For real? (damn memory)

Crap, since i don't want to reinstall DA2 i'll dub you my official Lore chronicler, reciter, and clarifier. Remember that wherever i go you follow as i'll need help. (expect no payment in return)

Can I get pie at least?

[Xilizhra]

The Hierophant wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Xilizhra: Only if Bioware is headed in the direction of generic high fantasy.

Hopefully they'll try something different.

You've still got your Islamist orcs to contend with; that's relatively different.

There's nothing Islamic about the Qunari nor do they act, or look like orcs?

The first part was in reference to DG's "Militant Islamic Borg" line. On the other thing, the biggest difference is that they have horns instead of fangs.

[TEWR]

The Hierophant wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Can I get pie at least?

Well, so long as I can ride a gorilla in our epic quest, I'll be happy enough.

[The Hierophant]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Can I get pie at least?

Well, so long as I can ride a gorilla in our epic quest, I'll be happy enough.

Sure. The Bronx Zoo owes me for thwarting a plot by the San Diego Zoo so i'll ask them to deliver a trained Silverback Gorilla to your adress. 

[Reaverwind]

Valhart wrote...

 I stand in the middle, ready to execute Mage and Templer alike if they continue to be idiots. 

Sounds good to me! 

[Jamie9]

I think the mages are more in the right. Fair enough, have phylacteries for each mage in case they go Blood Magic or Abomination. Locking them up in a tower is a little bit too far though, and I believe encourages mages to avoid the Chantry and makes them more likely to delve into dark magic to protect themselves.

The Templars therefore need to be repurposed into a reactionary force, rather than a preventative one. They should hunt down Blood Mages and Abominations if they occur.

Of course, I do not expect DA3 to go this well. Bad things are going to happen.

I don't even know whether to trust the Seekers, nor the Inquisition.